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Career Summary
Years G IP W L SV ERA WARP
15 391 2419.7 153 131 1 3.75 55.1
Birth Date9-17-1980
Height6' 5"
Weight215 lbs
Age39 years, 0 months, 0 days
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ThrowsR
WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

Historical (past-seasons) WARP is now based on DRA..
cFIP and DRA are not available on a by-team basis and display as zeroes(0). See TOT line for season totals of these stats.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA- WARP
2003 SLN MLB 14 14 72.7 3 7 0 84 22 43 9 99 10.4 2.7 1.1 5.3 0% .311 1.46 4.51 5.08 108 5.13 107.4 0.5
2004 SLN MLB 14 5 46.0 3 3 0 45 17 32 4 93 8.8 3.3 0.8 6.3 0% .293 1.35 3.92 4.50 98 4.43 91.3 0.6
2005 OAK MLB 34 34 217.0 14 12 0 212 53 163 26 98 8.8 2.2 1.1 6.8 0% .287 1.22 3.91 3.73 89 3.43 73.8 5.1
2006 OAK MLB 34 34 223.0 14 13 0 224 45 176 31 99 9.0 1.8 1.3 7.1 0% .289 1.21 4.15 4.12 85 3.47 70.7 5.6
2007 OAK MLB 34 34 222.7 15 9 0 214 55 192 24 92 8.6 2.2 1.0 7.8 0% .287 1.21 3.76 3.07 82 2.93 60.5 6.8
2008 ARI MLB 33 33 216.0 16 8 0 204 40 206 19 99 8.5 1.7 0.8 8.6 0% .303 1.13 2.97 3.33 70 2.68 57.2 6.9
2009 ARI MLB 33 33 229.3 14 10 0 192 38 223 27 99 7.5 1.5 1.1 8.8 0% .267 1.00 3.18 3.14 71 2.50 53.6 7.9
2010 ANA 0 14 14 94.0 5 4 0 84 25 75 8 99 8.0 2.4 0.8 7.2 0% .274 1.16 3.42 2.87 92 3.58 80.8 1.9
2010 ARI 0 21 21 141.0 7 8 0 161 29 141 23 96 10.3 1.9 1.5 9.0 0% .336 1.35 3.90 4.60 85 3.31 74.8 3.2
2011 ANA MLB 35 34 238.3 16 10 0 211 33 192 20 97 8.0 1.2 0.8 7.3 0% .272 1.02 3.01 3.17 81 2.84 66.1 6.2
2012 ANA MLB 30 30 176.7 12 13 0 190 38 142 28 94 9.7 1.9 1.4 7.2 0% .302 1.29 4.19 4.33 98 3.53 80.9 3.4
2013 WAS MLB 31 30 169.7 10 14 1 179 31 151 28 102 9.5 1.6 1.5 8.0 0% .302 1.24 4.05 4.67 95 3.59 86.0 2.8
2014 LAN MLB 32 32 186.0 13 11 0 183 36 145 27 98 8.9 1.7 1.3 7.0 0% .276 1.18 4.06 4.02 99 3.88 95.2 2.2
2015 CHN 0 11 11 58.3 4 2 0 58 13 44 10 92 8.9 2.0 1.5 6.8 0% .273 1.22 4.60 4.01 109 3.93 91.7 0.8
2015 MIA 0 21 21 129.0 7 7 0 116 25 88 21 89 8.1 1.7 1.5 6.1 0% .248 1.09 4.65 3.42 112 4.31 100.7 1.2
2010 TOT MLB 35 35 235.0 12 12 0 245 54 216 31 97 9.4 2.1 1.2 8.3 0% .000 1.27 3.70 3.91 88 3.42 77.2 5.1
2015 TOT MLB 32 32 187.3 11 9 0 174 38 132 31 90 8.4 1.8 1.5 6.3 0% .000 1.13 4.63 3.60 111 4.19 97.9 2.0
CareerMLB3913802419.7153131123575002013305978.81.91.17.544%.2901.183.773.75883.3674.755.1

Statistics for All Levels

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YEAR Team Lg LG G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA-
2001 NWJ A- NYP 12 8 52.3 3 3 1 47 8 57 6 8.1 1.4 1.0 9.8 0% -.577 1.05 3.18 3.10 0 0.00 0.0
2002 PEO A MDW 14 14 101.7 7 3 0 89 12 89 6 7.9 1.1 0.5 7.9 0% .286 0.99 2.66 1.95 0 0.00 0.0
2002 POT A+ CRL 14 14 92.0 3 6 0 90 19 82 8 8.8 1.9 0.8 8.0 0% .303 1.18 3.21 3.62 0 0.00 0.0
2003 SLN MLB NL 14 14 72.7 3 7 0 84 22 43 9 99 10.4 2.7 1.1 5.3 0% .311 1.46 4.51 5.08 108 5.13 107.4
2003 TEN AA SOU 8 8 55.0 6 0 0 36 6 49 2 5.9 1.0 0.3 8.0 0% .225 0.76 2.14 0.82 0 0.00 0.0
2003 MEM AAA PCL 8 8 45.7 2 1 0 50 8 35 6 9.8 1.6 1.2 6.9 0% .306 1.27 4.26 4.92 0 0.00 0.0
2004 SLN MLB NL 14 5 46.0 3 3 0 45 17 32 4 93 8.8 3.3 0.8 6.3 0% .293 1.35 3.92 4.50 98 4.43 91.3
2004 MEM AAA PCL 21 21 128.0 11 4 0 137 33 150 19 9.6 2.3 1.3 10.5 0% .351 1.33 3.93 4.15 0 0.00 0.0
2005 OAK MLB AL 34 34 217.0 14 12 0 212 53 163 26 98 8.8 2.2 1.1 6.8 0% .287 1.22 3.91 3.73 89 3.43 73.8
2006 OAK MLB AL 34 34 223.0 14 13 0 224 45 176 31 99 9.0 1.8 1.3 7.1 0% .289 1.21 4.15 4.12 85 3.47 70.7
2007 OAK MLB AL 34 34 222.7 15 9 0 214 55 192 24 92 8.6 2.2 1.0 7.8 0% .287 1.21 3.76 3.07 82 2.93 60.5
2008 ARI MLB NL 33 33 216.0 16 8 0 204 40 206 19 99 8.5 1.7 0.8 8.6 0% .303 1.13 2.97 3.33 70 2.68 57.2
2009 ARI MLB NL 33 33 229.3 14 10 0 192 38 223 27 99 7.5 1.5 1.1 8.8 0% .267 1.00 3.18 3.14 71 2.50 53.6
2010 ANA MLB AL 14 14 94.0 5 4 0 84 25 75 8 99 8.0 2.4 0.8 7.2 0% .274 1.16 3.42 2.87 92 3.58 80.8
2010 ARI MLB NL 21 21 141.0 7 8 0 161 29 141 23 96 10.3 1.9 1.5 9.0 0% .336 1.35 3.90 4.60 85 3.31 74.8
2011 ANA MLB AL 35 34 238.3 16 10 0 211 33 192 20 97 8.0 1.2 0.8 7.3 0% .272 1.02 3.01 3.17 81 2.84 66.1
2012 ANA MLB AL 30 30 176.7 12 13 0 190 38 142 28 94 9.7 1.9 1.4 7.2 0% .302 1.29 4.19 4.33 98 3.53 80.9
2012 SBR A+ CAL 1 1 5.0 0 0 0 7 0 2 0 12.6 0.0 0.0 3.6 0% .389 1.40 3.00 3.60 0 0.00 0.0
2013 WAS MLB NL 31 30 169.7 10 14 1 179 31 151 28 102 9.5 1.6 1.5 8.0 0% .302 1.24 4.05 4.67 95 3.59 86.0
2014 LAN MLB NL 32 32 186.0 13 11 0 183 36 145 27 98 8.9 1.7 1.3 7.0 0% .276 1.18 4.06 4.02 99 3.88 95.2
2015 CHN MLB NL 11 11 58.3 4 2 0 58 13 44 10 92 8.9 2.0 1.5 6.8 0% .273 1.22 4.60 4.01 109 3.93 91.7
2015 MIA MLB NL 21 21 129.0 7 7 0 116 25 88 21 89 8.1 1.7 1.5 6.1 0% .248 1.09 4.65 3.42 112 4.31 100.7

Plate Discipline

YEAR Pits Zone% Swing% Contact% Z-Swing% O-Swing% Z-Contact% O-Contact% SwStr%
2008 3105 0.4899 0.4663 0.7728 0.6016 0.3365 0.8842 0.5816 0.2272
2009 3482 0.4914 0.4518 0.7540 0.5868 0.3213 0.8516 0.5817 0.2460
2010 3716 0.4804 0.4704 0.7649 0.6112 0.3402 0.8634 0.6012 0.2351
2011 3748 0.4693 0.4789 0.7760 0.6259 0.3489 0.8619 0.6398 0.2240
2012 2838 0.4736 0.4514 0.7861 0.6138 0.3052 0.8703 0.6338 0.2139
2013 2775 0.4728 0.4732 0.7883 0.6349 0.3281 0.8667 0.6521 0.2117
2014 3067 0.4786 0.4483 0.8218 0.6022 0.3071 0.8937 0.6925 0.1782
2015 2896 0.4734 0.4416 0.8428 0.6098 0.2905 0.8995 0.7359 0.1572
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Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2014-05-08 2014-05-12 DTD 4 4 - Low Back Tightness - -
2013-06-23 2013-07-08 15-DL 15 14 Right Shoulder Inflammation - -
2013-05-14 2013-05-14 DTD 0 0 - Ankle Soreness - -
2012-07-04 2012-07-22 15-DL 18 14 - Low Back Stiffness - -
2012-05-08 2012-05-14 DTD 6 5 - Low Back Stiffness - -
2011-09-21 2011-09-21 DTD 0 0 Left Wrist Contusion Batted Ball - -
2011-07-20 2011-07-20 DTD 0 0 - Low Back Stiffness - -
2011-06-01 2011-06-07 DTD 6 5 Low Back Spasms -
2010-07-26 2010-07-26 DTD 0 0 Right Forearm Contusion Batted Ball -
2009-08-01 2009-08-01 DTD 0 0 Hip Soreness -
2008-08-01 2008-08-05 DTD 4 4 Right Thigh Spasms Hamstring -
2008-04-29 2008-04-29 DTD 0 0 General Medical Respiratory Flu -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2015 LAN $10,000,000
2015 MIA $
2014 LAN $10,000,000
2013 WAS $13,000,000
2012 ANA $12,750,000
2011 ANA $12,750,000
2010 ARI $8,250,000
2009 ARI $7,500,000
2008 ARI $4,000,000
2007 OAK $2,200,000
2006 OAK $500,000
2005 OAK $323,500
YearsDescriptionSalary
11 yrPrevious$81,273,500
11 yrTotal$81,273,500

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
10 y 154 dGreg Landry1 year/$10M (2014), 2015 option

Details
  • 1 year/$10M (2014), plus 2015 vesting option. Signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 11/25/13. 2015 player option worth $10M with 180 innings pitched in 2014 (increases to $11M player option if traded in 2014). Performance bonuses: $0.25M each for 24, 27, 30 starts. $0.5M for 32 starts. $0.25M each for 150, 160, 170 innings. $0.5M each for 180, 190 innings. If option vests, same package of performance bonuses is available for 2015. Haren exercised 2015 option 10/30/14. Acquired by Miami in trade from LA Dodgers 12/10/14 (Dodgers to pay 2015 salary). Acquired by Chicago Cubs in trade from Miami 7/31/15. Retired 10/15.
  • 1 year/$13M (2013). Signed by Washington as a free agent 12/4/12.
  • 4 years/$44.75M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option. 09:$7.5M, 10:$8.25M, 11:$12.75M, 12:$12.75M, 13:$15.5M club option, $3.5M buyout. Acquired by LA Angels in trade from Arizona 7/25/10. LA Angels declined 2013 option 11/2/12.
  • 4 years/$12.65M (2006-09), plus 2010 club option. Signed extension with Oakland 9/05. $0.2M signing bonus, 06:$0.5M, 07:$2.2M, 08:$4M, 09:$5.5M, 10:$6.75M club option, $0.25M buyout. Total guarantee may be reduced to $9.5M if Haren does not qualify as a Super 2 after 2005 season. 2009 salary may increase by $0.75M based on performance. 2010 option may increase by $1M based on performance. Option may vest based on IP. Award bonus: $50,000 for All-Star. Acquired by Arizona in trade from Oakland 12/14/07.
  • 1 year/$0.3235M (2005). Acquired by Oakland in trade from St. Louis 12/04. Signed by Oakland 2/05.
  • 1 year (2004). Optioned to Triple-A by St. Louis 3/04. Recalled 7/04. Optioned to Triple-A 8/04. Recalled 8/04.
  • 1 year (2003). Contract purchased by St. Louis 6/03.
  • Drafted by St. Louis 2001 (2-72) (Pepperdine).

2019 Preseason Forecast

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DateQuestionAnswer
2015-07-28 18:00:00 (link to chat)Wouldn't going after Dan Haren make sense for the Royals? He shouldn't cost much and his flyball tendencies would be a good fit. Adding Cueto is good...but that rotation is still weak.
(Matt from Cambridge)
It's amazing what the Royal's outfield defense has done for that staff again. I agree that they likely need to go get one more arm but I'm unsure that Haren is it. I would check on Mike Leake or someone in that tier. (Mauricio Rubio)
2015-06-30 19:00:00 (link to chat)Mike, What innings eaters might the Cubs go after at the Deadline? Thanks!
(Steve Trout from Big & Tall Fitting Room)
If you're talking about pure innings eaters and not aces it opens things up a little bit. Jon Niese is the guy who has been linked to a couple of teams, and Bartolo Colon is a logical guy too (although I haven't heard any rumors about him). Thinking of guys on second division teams, it's kind of limited to be honest. The Rockies really don't have anyone obvious. Jorge de la Rosa? Maybe? Diamondbacks don't. They're not really innings eaters but Mat Latos and Dan Haren aren't quite ace material and would probably fit the mold of a non-ace who wouldn't cost a bevy of prospects. (Mike Gianella)
2014-12-18 15:00:00 (link to chat)Craig, do you think we've run into an issue where teams are overvaluing years of control when making deals? The A's dealt Samardijza and Moss for underwhelming returns, but the Dodgers shipped out Heaney for Kendrick. What gives?
(Chris from Seattle)
I do think years of control are playing a big part in the valuation of players, and I do think it's potentially being overvalued. I love Dee Gordon and he's a nice player, but getting more for four years of him than what a guy like Brandon Moss or Jeff Samardzija brought back strikes me as odd (and don't tell me Miguel Rojas was the key there). I know Dan Haren was in that mix as well, but I do think Gordon was the piece Miami focused on.

I know people are thinking that the prospect market is just pretty dry right now with teams wanting to hold on to what they have, and I don't doubt that's the case, but I am surprised a bit at some teams' willingness to give into that market and just sell for what's being offered, especially this early in the offseason. (Craig Goldstein)
2014-05-29 19:30:00 (link to chat)Why does Ben Cherington not want me to start? I'm 19th in SwgStk% and Contact since 2007(next to Kershaw) and pound the strikezone like Dan Haren. Does he not care how weird that is?
(Chris Capuano from Atlanta)
You were mediocre as a starter in the NL West last year and you're about to turn 36. Stay in the pen and prolong your career. (Ben Carsley)
2013-11-22 14:00:00 (link to chat)Thank you for the chat, Doug. Do you see Dan Haren being a solid #4 the next couple of years? Does he have more upside than Bronson Arroyo?
(Dennis from LA)
Haren vs Arroyo is a great example of risk/reward vs relative predictability. Haren has higher upside in theory but also the higher potential to crash, especially considering the injury history. Arroyo is less exciting from the standpoint of expected performance, but you have a better idea of what you're going to get - but his high rates of contact make him a better fit for a smaller ballpark. At least with Arroyo you get the sexiness of the showgirl leg-kick, the beach bro haircut, and the ridiculous array of arm slots that range from straight sidearm to almost over-the-top with minimal adjustment to spine-angle.

On the jukebox: Kyuss, "Mudfly" (Doug Thorburn)
2013-08-08 17:30:00 (link to chat)Mike how would you rank the following(Please not just the way you have them)Parker,Haren,Nova,Leake,,and Tyson Ross.Thanks
(Chesty from New Bern,NC)
I would go Ivan Nova, Mike Leake, Jarrod Parker, Tyson Ross, and Dan Haren for this year. Nova might not be the best of the bunch, but I feel like you have to ride the streak. Leake is "due" to slip, but isn't that bad. Parker is a little too HR prone for my taste. Ross might actually be better, but I'd like to see more before ranking him higher. I don't trust Haren right now. Flashes of brilliance, but the HR tendencies tell me to lay off. (Mike Gianella)
2013-07-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)You wrote about Dan Haren earlier this year during a stretch when he seemed to be doing better. He's regressed since. Have you noticed anything in particular about why he's so homer-happy?
(Dan Rozenson from Washington, DC)
I think he's just leaving the ball over the plate, and he certainly doesn't have the stuff to miss in the zone. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-07-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)Is Dan Haren worthy of a buy low offer? I'm near the top of the league and could get him for Chris Archer. The points league counts Wins and QS, so being on Washington helps, but Archer clearly has the edge in upside.
(RotoLando from Cloud City)
I don't think Chris Archer is a buy-low price. I love Haren, but that's full price for the kind of risk you're assuming. (Paul Sporer)
2013-07-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)Have you watched Dan Haren at all this season? He's supposed to be back from the DL tonight in Philadelphia, and I'm hoping he's fixed whatever was causing his problems this year. Is he, like Cain, a pitcher who relies on location and has lost his timing?
(jcjohnson from DC)
Haren is somewhat of an enigma - I have never been a fan of his mechanics, particularly the pause in his delivery, but he has defied the odds to repeat his odd timing pattern throughout his career. That said, the back issues have thrown a wrench into his approach, as you can imagine how much tougher it is to find that balance point during the pause with a sore lower back. He has always had spine-tilt, which is a precursor to shoulder injury, but Haren has survived a long time despite the issue. It is possible that his previous inefficiencies are catching up to him, or perhaps he is just outside of his physical peak, but has not been able to find that same magic that allowed him to beat the odds for so long. (Doug Thorburn)
2013-07-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)Why do pitchers like Dan Haren and Jorge de la Rosa pause mid-delivery?
(Frank from Denver)
The classic instruction is to "stop at the top" in order to "find a balance point." But this instruction has always seemed backwards to me - a pitcher only needs to find a balance point if he fails to start the delivery in a balanced position. Sure enough, many pitchers start straight-legged at set up, and the center-of-gravity lowers as they reach maximum lift - for this reason, I prefer that pitchers begin the delivery with some flex in the knees, to find that balance point right from the beginning, and that way there is no need to stop mid-stride and "find" their balance. In addition to making it easier to stabilize balance, this method allows a pitcher to generate momentum from a power position on two feet directly from setup, rather than propel forward out of a stopped position while standing on one leg like a damned flamingo.

On the jukebox: Thrice, "Cold Cash and Colder Hearts" (Doug Thorburn)
2013-06-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Do you see Dan Haren turning things around this year?
(wappingliars from NoHo)
:sweats: *gulp* :singletear: No. :( :bawls: (Paul Sporer)
2013-06-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Rest of year: Edwin Jackson, David Phelps, Erasmo Ramirez, Kevin Gausman, Dan Haren.
(LoyalRoyal from KS)
EJax, Eraser, Phelps, Haren, and Gausman. So sad about Haren's demise. (Paul Sporer)
2013-06-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)Is Dan Haren droppable? Josh Johnson? This is in a 12 team mixed dynasty league, and Chris Carter is a FA (Berkman's my 1B currently. I know, I know).
(Jim Clancy from Exhibition Stadium)
Yes, at this point, I think Haren is droppable in non-K:BB leagues in favor of pitchers that you could stream off the waiver wire in a 12-team mixed league. If your league does count K:BB, though, I might be inclined to hang on, because he'll contribute in that aspect regardless of his other struggles. I'd drop Haren before Johnson, just on a gut feeling of JJ having a better chance of turning things around. (Daniel Rathman)
2013-05-10 14:00:00 (link to chat)Can you recall any pitcher with extremely ugly mechanics that succeeded for a long time?
(BobcatBaseball from Athens, OH)
Great question, and I have been spinning names throughout the chat to come up with a good answer. The key is the "succeeded for a long time" part of the question - some guys can succeed for a little while with poor mechanics, but they are usually caught by injury or poor performance, as rough mechanics have functional implications. Juan Marichal had awful balance, so he might qualify. Dan Haren has had poor posture and a ridiculous pause in his delivery throughout his career, but I wouldn't go so far as to call his delivery "extremely ugly." Yovani Gallardo could enter the discussion if he continues to pitch moderately well despite F grade mechanics. The list is short and undistinguished. (Doug Thorburn)
2013-04-16 20:00:00 (link to chat)Is it a good time to sell high on Dexter Fowler? I need pitching and targeting guys like Dan Haren in a 1 for 1 trade. Good idea?
(RC from PDX)
Bad idea jeans. Fowler can take that next step forward this year and Haren is a huge risk. But if you aim higher, then sure. (Bret Sayre)
2013-04-10 20:00:00 (link to chat)MG What's going on? In a yahoo league rotisserie standard 8 team league. I really need to make a couple of adjustments. Need to add another pitcher and solid bar to this line up. This league is tough with trades! Who should we ditch and is there anyone we should be tracking or picking up? Here is the squad, 1. (6) Albert Pujols 1B 2. (11) Joe Mauer C,1B 3. (22) Jacoby Ellsbury OF 4. (27) Evan Longoria 3B 5. (38) Matt Holliday OF 6. (43) Cliff Lee SP 7. (54) Shin-Soo Choo OF 8. (59) Jose Altuve 2B 9. (70) Jimmy Rollins SS 10. (75) Roy Halladay SP 11. (86) Huston Street RP 12. (91) Addison Reed RP 13. (102) Anthony Rizzo 1B 14. (107) Jason Grilli RP 15. (118) Tim Lincecum SP 16. (123) Alex Gordon OF 17. (134) Carlos Marmol RP 18. (139) Dan Haren SP 19. (150) Kenley Jansen RP 20. (155) Rickie Weeks 2B 21. (166) Alejandro De Aza OF 22. (171) J.P. Arencibia C Guys who are available. FYI Materson, ziti, e Santana, pettitte Crisp, wells, m Saunders, carpenter, werth
(coach53 from Ct)
Hey Coach

Without knowing what the rules are regarding how deep your reserve lists are and what your free agent pool looks like it's difficult to offer specific advice. Your roster looks strong, but 8-team mixed probably has a lot of rosters that look like this. Dan Haren and Tim Lincecum seem like players that you should be upgrading on. Feel free to drop Carlos Marmol, and as much as I love Kenley Jansen if there's a closer out there, get him; in an 8-team league you shouldn't be speculating on future saves but getting saves here and now. The free agents you list don't look particularly great which - again - makes me wonder how deep your reserve lists are. (Mike Gianella)
2013-04-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you make of the early season performances by Matt Cain, Gio Gonzalez, and Dan Haren?
(Garcia from Ft. Worth)
Haren worries me the most of the three because some of it had already been documented heading into the season. Maybe it's just confirmation bias that I didn't expect him to be good and I expected the others to, but even with what seems to be a small return of his velocity, I'm concerned because of recent body of work. (Zachary Levine)
2013-04-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Does Dan Haren rebound this year? Why is he now so susceptible to the long ball? Thanks...
(LoyalRoyal from Kansas)
I would think so. The NL is easier, as you get to face pitchers a couple or three times a game. Re. the HR issues ... His HR problems early this year aren't something I'd read much in to. But, in general, guys who lose velocity can't make as many mistakes over the plate as they once did. Haren is crafty and adjusts, but mistakes happen. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-02-26 14:00:00 (link to chat)Which teams do you feel had the best and worst offseason?
(Cole B. from Brooklyn)
I'll take the Nationals for the best and the Diamondbacks for the worst - and it really boils down to Mike Rizzo continuing to operate under the plan of short-term, high-upside deals (like Dan Haren), while Kevin Towers didn't seem to have a coherent strategy. All of us who are baffled by Arizona's revamped outfield might be proven wrong, but it's difficult to see how the D'backs are a better team now than they were in October. (Daniel Rathman)
2013-01-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you expect of Dan Haren this year? Do you think the back issues make him risky?
(Booker T from Vermolusca)
The back issues do make Haren risky, Booker. I'd anticipate him being an average starter or thereabouts. (R.J. Anderson)
2012-12-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)2 proven ML pitchers for 4 prospects with a grand total of 2 ML games. This was NOT a bad deal at all for the Royals, right?
(J3FFR3Y from work)
Well, I think it is, but other reasonable people think it isn't. But I have a real quibble with the framing that you use, and that a lot of people use, to defend this move for the Royals. "Two proven for four unproven" means that, what, no trade of prospects for a veteran can ever be bad? If the Royals had acquired Ervin Santana and Dan Haren for Myers, Starling, Odorizzi and Zimmer a month ago, would it be defensible because prospects fail? Of course not. Obviously, prospects fail. It's part of the math. But the key thing is that there is math and doing the math is enlightening and doing the math suggests this isn't a great move for the Royals, in a vacuum. (It's not a vacuum is maybe a stronger argument.) (Sam Miller)
2012-11-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Dan Straily was dynamite at AA and AAA this year. What, if anything, will limit his success moving forward in the majors.
(Paul from DC)
When I saw Straily I saw a pitchability right-hander with slightly above-average secondary stuff based mostly on deception and total number of weapons than high pitch grades. He mixes his pitches well and throws strikes, and his fastball is a little better than the typical 92 mph heater because it holds its velocity more at the end of its path (as it crossed the plate) than the average fastball. I think Straily is a No. 3 at best, but he's ready to contribute now, and could turn into a poor-man's Dan Haren capable of 200 innings per year. Commanding the fastball and possibly ditching the curveball altogether and sticking with the slider-changeup combo may get him there. (Jason A. Churchill)
2012-08-17 13:00:00 (link to chat)1. Dan Haren WTF happen? 2. Will the Angels pick up his $15.5 million option for 2013 and take the risk that he's just having a really really bad year and will revert back to prior form in 2013... or do they pay out $3 mil, move on, and let some other team figure out whether he's even a viable back-end rotation guy in the future?
(WestCoastMets from The Devil's Waiting Room)
Yeah, so Dan Haren. He's still got an edge on Joe Saunders since the trade in 2010, but it's close; two-tenths of a run of ERA or so. He had four starts in the previous three years in which he walked as many batters as he struck out. He has five of those this year. This isn't really like 2010, when he was getting BABIP'd to death. Very hittable.

Haren had been losing velocity steadily for a few years, and this might just be the year it got to be too much. It's a chat, so anything I say here has been researched for about 14 seconds, so give me a break if this is wrong, but it looks to me like he allowed one home run last year on a four-seamer up in the zone. And this year he has allowed 11. He throws a lot of four-seamers up in the zone, and when the velocity on them drops from 90 mph to 88.5 mph, it's hard to survive. He did OK in the past with less velocity because he developed the cutter on the fly, but I'm not sure what he can develop next. And even the cutter has gotten a little more slidery than he'd like at times this year.

I think the Angels pick up the option. What other choice do they have? Sign a pitcher for four years as a free agent? Almost impossible that that wouldn't be even riskier. As it is, they'll presumably let Ervin walk, may not have a chance to re-sign Greinke, and be looking at two starters plus Garrett Richards, Jerome Williams and ___________. So, yeah, option picked up, and hope it's just his back. Since he acknowledged the back soreness, his ERA is 5.5, but on the other hand who knows. (Sam Miller)
2012-05-31 14:00:00 (link to chat)Are you still a Billy Beane fan? I'm not anymore; the guy can't make good trades that don't involve Dan Haren. If not, do you see any way he doesn't outlive all of us as GM-for-life?
(oira79 from San Francisco)
I wish he'd quit shilling for ownership's desires to move to San Jose (the crying about how the A's can't compete in Oakland isn't really becoming of a man of his stature), but I'm not going to be calling for his head any time soon. Taking shots at contention hasn't worked out when he's gone for it, but I'd dispute this "good trades" point -- three years of Seth Smith for Josh Outman and Guillermo Moscoso is a steal, for instance. (Jason Wojciechowski)
2012-05-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)How do you see Dan Haren performing for the rest of the year? Is there something wrong or is this just a bad couple of starts strung together?
(Tony from OKC)
His back is bothering him hence the poor outings against two would-be favorable matchups. I think a DL stint might be in order to get him back on track. I think it's all related to that and a healthy Haren will be excellent. (Paul Sporer)
2011-07-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)Cheslor Cuthbert is 18 years old, hitting .329 with a .869 OPS at a third. Have other people caught on yet?
(Travis from KC)
KG has him in his Top 50 midseason and had him in his Top 15 even after the Grienke deal. He's obviously taken a big step to actualizing the talent. But it's very tough for most to get too excited about a player before they do it at AA. Remember: Jerry DiPoto got crushed at the deadline for the Dan Haren deal last year because the best player in it was at Low A. Tyler Skaggs has turned into a really good prospect, but, most want success at a higher level before going, well, ape over them. (Mike Ferrin)
2010-12-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)With all of the zip code changes of aces this offseason, everyone has seemingly forgotten that Dan Haren was a huge part of trade talks last season. He went to the Angels and was "ehh." Do you see any of the pitchers who've switched teams struggling in their new role, or just not living up to lofty expectations immediately? This would extend to include the Shaun Marcums of the world, too.
(Henchman Holding Wrench from Underground Layer)
Yeah. Zach Duke. Because he stinks. (Eric Seidman)
2010-08-02 13:30:00 (link to chat)Do the Dodgers realize how much older they got by trading away 7 players for older rentals? And there's no way their low playoffs odds justify this sort of decision-making, right? And couldn't those 7 players have brought back something better like a Dan Haren? I think the Dodgers were the biggest losers at the trade deadline.
(Christy Canyon from Brooklyn)
The deadline? I'd argue they were the biggest losers three weeks ago, when they should have acted, instead of dawdling until the deadline to make a group of semi-obvious moves that didn't cost them any of their main prospects. They weren't a great-looking contender then; they're now a procrastinating underdog of major proportions. (Christina Kahrl)
2010-07-26 14:00:00 (link to chat)What letter grade would you give Jerry DiPoto's return for Dan Haren? Explain...
(SprungOnSports from Long Island)
Well ... he did get rid of some salary. He did get a guy who can start in the major leagues in return, and hopefully at least one decent prospect. And maybe he knows something about Haren we don't. As much as I'd like to give it an F, given how much more I think he could have gotten from other teams, I admit there's a lot I don't know about this so I can only give it a D. (Ken Funck)
2008-04-25 15:00:00 (link to chat)Jay, I've watched a number of games involving NL West teams this year. If the Diamondbacks get something from Randy Johnson this year (say, 20 decent-to-good starts), aren't they going to be tough to catch. It seems like the Dodgers and Rockies are going to have a tough time putting up the pitching and the Padres bats just aren't anything to write home about.
(squintsp34 from Chicago)
The Snakes are off to a great start, and as I onted atop this week's Hit List, the fact that Micah Owings has been pitching about as well as Brandon Webb and Dan Haren is a big reason why. They started the year with 13 consecutive quality starts between them, and as a whole, the rotation's ERA is still under 3.00. Whether it's Johnson or Doug Davis, if they can get a functional performance from their #4, they'll be very tough to beatn, particularly in a division where the other teams sem content to fall on their faces. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-03-07 13:00:00 (link to chat)If you were building a Scoresheet team in a NL keeper league, would you rather have Dan Haren or Clayton Kershaw for the next 5 years?
(David from USA)
Haren, and I think that question is pretty much a slam-dunk. (Nate Silver)
2008-02-28 14:00:00 (link to chat)Is moving to a hitter's park from a pitcher's park going to hurt Dan Haren's production, even slightly?
(Sam from Anderson, SC)
Some of the numbers might move around a bit (his HR/9, his ERA), but his value to Arizona won't in any significant degree. (Christina Kahrl)
2008-01-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)Okay Will, last year you said, on numerous occasions, and in spite of his struggles in '06, that Josh Beckett would be competing for the Cy Young in '07. He very nearly won it. Who's your man in '08?
(Ed from Chicago)
Not quite Phil Nevin, but I'll take it. Beckett was an easy one because he had a good-to-dominant team that was going to allow him to put up big win totals. Same with Sabathia. Give me Beckett or Schilling in the AL with a side order of Verlander. The NL is a lot tougher since there's no dominant teams and the easy picks -- Zambrano, Hamels, Sheets - have big questions. I'll take Dan Haren. (Will Carroll)
2008-01-15 14:30:00 (link to chat)Hey Marc, Thanks for the chat. What does the change of scenery mean for Dan Haren? Which is the most important factor in terms of his fantasy value, the less competitive NL, more wins with the D-backs, or worse defense behind him?
(Ben F from California)
The D'backs and A's defenses were pretty much the same last year, according to Defensive Efficiency. I think the park is going to be the biggest factor (which I received a whole bunch of e-mails for after a fantasy beat piece). The difference between the AL and NL is significant on a lot of levels, but we're also talking about a pitcher going from one of the friendliest pitcher parks to arguably one of the top 3 hitter's parks in the league. That's a pretty huge difference that I think weighs more on Haren's future performance than the league switch does. It's what will make him a #2 caliber guy, or a 1A at best. Webb is still the go-to guy out there. (Marc Normandin)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2010-10-06 10:00:002010 Playoffs Day Oneddanyc (nyc): Steve, if the Yanks really thought Montero could catch, would they have been willing to trade him for 3 months of C. Lee?

They're highly enamored of Cliff Lee. Note they didn't make the same offer, insofar as we know, for Dan Haren or Roy Oswalt or anyone like that--given that no one as good as Montero moved in those deals, I think it's safe to guess he wasn't on the market anymore. So they made a valuation that getting Cliff Lee would bring them another ring, and for that you trade away Montero who (A) is a really good-looking hitter but (B) not an easy fit on their roster as currently constructed. Once the Lee deal fell through, they had to go back to trying to make the best of their square peg/round hole situation and see if just maybe Monty could catch. (Steven Goldman)
2009-10-15 17:00:002009 NLCS Game One (Phillies/Dodgers)twinkies25 (MN): So, do you guys think that Chase Utley or Dan Haren will get any consideration for MVP and Cy Young? (not that they deserve them, but they both had fantastic years). The only thing seperating them from those awards are The Machine and The Freak (no offense for Cardinal and Giant fans, I love them as much as you do!!)

I tend not to worry so much about mid-ballot finishes. I do take umbrage with certain voters, for instance, leaving Halladay off of their ballot/out of the top three, but in the NL Haren shouldn't be in the top three, and Pujols is certainly the MVP, which isn't up for debate. Utley is definitely the most valuable Phillies player, but his MVP chances are nowhere near the same as, say, Wainwright or Carpenter winning the Cy over Lincecum. (Eric Seidman)
 

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