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Juan Pierre LF

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Career Summary
16 8278 .295 .343 .361 85 11.3
Birth Date8-14-1977
Height5' 10"
Weight180 lbs
Age42 years, 2 months, 5 days
WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

2000 COL 22 51 219 62 2 0 0 13 15 1 7 6 .310 .353 .320 73 -6.8 -0.2 -1.4 -0.1
2001 COL 23 156 683 202 26 11 2 41 29 10 46 17 .327 .378 .415 95 -0.9 6.7 2.4 3.0
2002 COL 24 152 640 170 20 5 1 31 52 9 47 12 .287 .332 .343 73 -18.4 8.6 -5.0 0.5
2003 FLO 25 162 746 204 28 7 1 55 35 5 65 20 .305 .361 .373 90 -7.0 7.6 -7.5 1.5
2004 FLO 26 162 748 221 22 12 3 45 35 8 45 24 .326 .374 .407 99 0.8 5.2 -14.0 1.6
2005 FLO 27 162 718 181 19 13 2 41 45 9 57 17 .276 .326 .354 79 -17.3 8.0 -10.8 0.2
2006 CHN 28 162 750 204 32 13 3 32 38 8 58 20 .292 .330 .388 81 -15.1 7.2 -4.9 1.2
2007 LAN 29 162 729 196 24 8 0 33 37 6 64 15 .293 .331 .353 75 -20.6 11.3 -14.5 0.0
2008 LAN 30 119 406 106 10 2 1 22 24 3 40 12 .283 .327 .328 82 -8.2 1.9 -2.6 0.1
2009 LAN 31 145 425 117 16 8 0 27 27 8 30 12 .308 .365 .392 99 0.7 1.5 -4.1 0.8
2010 CHA 32 160 734 179 18 3 1 45 47 21 68 18 .275 .341 .316 83 -13.1 8.6 2.2 1.3
2011 CHA 33 158 711 178 17 4 2 43 41 7 27 17 .279 .329 .327 86 -10.4 10.0 -16.2 -0.2
2012 PHI 34 130 439 121 10 6 1 23 27 4 37 7 .307 .351 .371 96 -2.0 2.9 1.1 1.2
2013 MIA 35 113 330 76 11 2 1 13 27 3 23 6 .247 .284 .305 73 -9.3 3.4 0.7 0.2

Statistics for All Levels

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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1998 POR A- NWN 0 285 .000 .000 .000 .368 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1999 ASH A SAL 0 631 .000 .000 .000 .340 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2000 COL MLB NL 51 219 .262 .337 .414 .333 136 -11.2 6.9 0.6 73 11 -1.4 -0.2 -6.8 -0.1
2000 CAR AA SOU 0 477 .000 .000 .000 .346 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2000 CSP AAA PCL 0 17 .000 .000 .000 .471 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2001 COL MLB NL 156 683 .262 .325 .424 .341 122 -1.3 20.3 1.8 95 6 2.4 6.7 -0.9 3.0
2002 COL MLB NL 152 640 .256 .323 .406 .314 117 -24.2 18.4 1.7 73 6 -5.0 8.6 -18.4 0.5
2003 FLO MLB NL 162 746 .262 .328 .418 .320 98 4 19.6 2 90 7 -7.5 7.6 -7.0 1.5
2004 FLO MLB NL 162 748 .264 .332 .424 .340 92 21.4 22.3 2 99 10 -14.0 5.2 0.8 1.6
2005 FLO MLB NL 162 718 .264 .327 .418 .293 93 -8.7 20.7 1.9 79 7 -10.8 8.0 -17.3 0.2
2006 CHN MLB NL 162 750 .271 .332 .437 .305 97 -7.1 22.6 2.1 81 7 -4.9 7.2 -15.1 1.2
2007 LAN MLB NL 162 729 .264 .330 .417 .310 100 -17.1 21.6 2 75 7 -14.5 11.3 -20.6 0.0
2008 LAN MLB NL 119 406 .263 .327 .415 .299 93 -9 11.7 -2 82 9 -2.6 1.9 -8.2 0.1
2008 LVG AAA PCL 2 8 .283 .343 .460 .600 133 0.8 0.2 -0.1 130 0 -0.6 -0.1 0.2 0.0
2009 LAN MLB NL 145 425 .261 .328 .411 .331 91 6.8 12.2 -2.1 99 9 -4.1 1.5 0.7 0.8
2010 CHA MLB AL 160 734 .263 .326 .409 .294 112 -19 20.2 -5.3 83 8 2.2 8.6 -13.1 1.3
2011 CHA MLB AL 158 711 .261 .323 .407 .294 105 -14 19.2 -4.7 86 8 -16.2 10.0 -10.4 -0.2
2012 PHI MLB NL 130 439 .255 .317 .401 .327 99 3.6 12.0 -2.7 96 7 1.1 2.9 -2.0 1.2
2013 MIA MLB NL 113 330 .260 .320 .403 .268 94 -13.4 8.7 -1.8 73 6 0.7 3.4 -9.3 0.2

Statistics For All Levels

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1998 POR A- NWN 285 264 55 93 9 2 0 106 30 19 11 38 9 .352 .400 .402 .049 0 0
1999 ASH A SAL 631 585 93 187 28 5 1 228 55 38 37 66 19 .320 .369 .390 .070 0 0
2000 CAR AA SOU 477 439 63 143 16 4 0 167 32 33 26 46 12 .326 .379 .380 .055 0 0
2000 CSP AAA PCL 17 17 3 8 0 1 0 10 1 0 0 1 1 .471 .471 .588 .118 0 0
2000 COL MLB NL 219 200 26 62 2 0 0 64 20 13 15 7 6 .310 .353 .320 .010 1 4
2001 COL MLB NL 683 617 108 202 26 11 2 256 55 41 29 46 17 .327 .378 .415 .088 1 14
2002 COL MLB NL 640 592 90 170 20 5 1 203 35 31 52 47 12 .287 .332 .343 .056 0 8
2003 FLO MLB NL 746 668 100 204 28 7 1 249 41 55 35 65 20 .305 .361 .373 .067 3 15
2004 FLO MLB NL 748 678 100 221 22 12 3 276 49 45 35 45 24 .326 .374 .407 .081 2 15
2005 FLO MLB NL 718 656 96 181 19 13 2 232 47 41 45 57 17 .276 .326 .354 .078 2 10
2006 CHN MLB NL 750 699 87 204 32 13 3 271 40 32 38 58 20 .292 .330 .388 .096 1 10
2007 LAN MLB NL 729 668 96 196 24 8 0 236 41 33 37 64 15 .293 .331 .353 .060 2 20
2008 LAN MLB NL 406 375 44 106 10 2 1 123 28 22 24 40 12 .283 .327 .328 .045 1 5
2008 LVG AAA PCL 8 6 2 3 1 0 0 4 0 2 1 0 0 .500 .625 .667 .167 0 0
2009 LAN MLB NL 425 380 57 117 16 8 0 149 31 27 27 30 12 .308 .365 .392 .084 1 9
2010 CHA MLB AL 734 651 96 179 18 3 1 206 47 45 47 68 18 .275 .341 .316 .041 2 15
2011 CHA MLB AL 711 639 80 178 17 4 2 209 50 43 41 27 17 .279 .329 .327 .049 3 19
2012 PHI MLB NL 439 394 59 121 10 6 1 146 25 23 27 37 7 .307 .351 .371 .063 1 17
2013 MIA MLB NL 330 308 36 76 11 2 1 94 8 13 27 23 6 .247 .284 .305 .058 0 6

Plate Discipline

YEAR Pits Zone% Swing% Contact% Z-Swing% O-Swing% Z-Contact% O-Contact% SwStr% CSAA
2008 1426 0.5449 0.4187 0.9313 0.5045 0.3159 0.9592 0.8780 0.0687 -0.0055
2009 1444 0.5194 0.4065 0.9233 0.5373 0.2651 0.9653 0.8315 0.0767 0.0033
2010 2717 0.5241 0.3813 0.9382 0.4838 0.2684 0.9666 0.8818 0.0618 -0.0024
2011 2446 0.5356 0.3913 0.9404 0.4992 0.2667 0.9602 0.8977 0.0596 -0.0045
2012 1602 0.5187 0.4157 0.9159 0.5211 0.3022 0.9423 0.8670 0.0841 0.0016
2013 1135 0.5110 0.4282 0.8971 0.5362 0.3153 0.9486 0.8057 0.1029 -0.0064

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2011-03-24 2011-03-24 Camp 0 0 Left Lower Leg Contusion Foul Ball - -
2008-09-03 2008-09-08 DTD 5 4 Low Back Soreness -
2008-06-30 2008-07-25 15-DL 25 20 Left Knee Sprain MCL -
2005-04-09 2005-04-09 DTD 0 0 Right Lower Leg Soreness Calf -
2005-03-16 2005-03-28 Camp 12 0 Right Lower Leg Strain Calf -
2004-03-22 2004-03-27 Camp 5 0 Right Fingers Dislocation Little Finger -


Year Team Salary
2013 MIA $1,600,000
2012 PHI $800,000
2011 CHA $5,000,000
2011 LAN $3,500,000
2010 LAN $7,000,000
2010 CHA $3,000,000
2009 LAN $10,000,000
2008 LAN $8,000,000
2007 LAN $7,500,000
2006 CHN $5,750,000
2005 FLO $3,400,000
2004 FLO $2,300,000
2003 FLO $900,000
2002 COL $600,000
2001 COL $215,000
13 yrPrevious$59,565,000
13 yrTotal$59,565,000


Service TimeAgentContract Status
13 y 56 dMark Pieper1 year/$1.6M (2013)

  • 1 year/$1.6M (2013). Signed by Miami as a free agent 11/19/12. Award bonuses: $25,000 each for All-Star, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger. $50,000 for LCS MVP. $0.1M each for MVP, WS MVP.
  • 1 year/$0.8M (2012). Signed by Philadelphia as a free agent 1/27/12 (minor-league contract). Salary of $0.8M in majors. May opt out if not on major-league roster 3/31/12. Contract purchased by Philadelphia 3/29/12.
  • 5 years/$45M (2007-11). Signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 11/06. 07:$7.5M, 08:$8M, 09:$10M, 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M. Limited no-trade protection. Acquired by Chicago White Sox in trade from LA Dodgers 12/15/09 (Dodgers pay $7M of 2010 salary, $3.5M of 2011 salary).
  • 1 year/$5.75M (2006). Re-signed 1/06 (avoided arbitration, $6.5M-$5M).
  • 4 years/$7.5M (2002-05). $0.4M signing bonus ($0.2M in '02, $0.2M in '03), 02:$0.5M, 03:$0.9M, 04:$2.3M, 05:$3.4M. Acquired in trade from Colorado 11/02. Acquired in trade from Florida 12/05.
  • Drafted 1998 (13-390) (South Alabama).

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2014-06-03 14:00:00 (link to chat)Can a player have a plus hit tool without premium bat speed? Like Juan Pierre or Ichiro?
(Wesley from Utah)
Yes, but you need to check off several other boxes. Such as a simple, fluid swing with no unnecessary noise. (Ron Shah)
2013-07-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)Is Everth Cabrera officially an above average shortstop now?
(Jeff from Bay Area)
Not official until it's notarized, but I would be comfortable putting him there, especially if you consider how much Petco suppresses offense. On a related note, I'm sad that my dreams of Juan Pierre winning another stolen base title as an old man appear to be dashed.

( (Zachary Levine)
2013-05-22 18:00:00 (link to chat)Who are your top 5 most underrated fantasy players?
(Bodhizefa from Greensboro, NC)
off the top of my head: Aoki, Cobb, Iwakuma, Juan Pierre, Rajai Davis (Jason Collette)
2013-04-04 11:00:00 (link to chat)If Christian Yelich tears it up in AA, will the Marlins really wait until August to call him up? Especially since keeping Juan Pierre around is pointless. Thanks!
(Christopher from TN)
Yelich is on the fast-track, and given the fact that he plays for the Marlins, I'm surprised he isn't starting the year with the major league club. (Jason Parks)
2013-03-20 11:00:00 (link to chat)NOT A QUESTION: BTW regarding the bunts for base hits ESPN ran an article about this in 2011 with some current players. Before looking at the article I guessed Erik Aybar and lo and behold he was number two behind Juan Pierre
(lipitorkid from OC, CA)
Good one, thanks! BTW, whether Erick Aybar or Howard Kendrick, I love whomever is hitting in the #2 spot in the Angels lineup this year, for fantasy purposes. Aybar had a big 2nd half last year, and Kendrick is having a HUGE spring -- even by his usual standards, even considering the caveats with spring numbers -- so either or both could take a big step forward this year. (Cory Schwartz)
2013-02-05 13:00:00 (link to chat)Do you see billy hamilton having a Juan Pierre like career?
(Kick from LA)
I know Pierre is often viewed as a poor player, but if Billy Hamilton can carve out a Juan Pierre-esque career, is that really a bad thing? I think Hamilton has a chance to eclipse Pierre, but its a success if he gets close. (Jason Parks)
2013-01-14 14:00:00 (link to chat)Thank you for taking the time to assist me in my journey towards fantasy relevance, and although that is a bit of an oxymoron i will digress to my question, which is, Ben Revere the new Juan Pierre? His peripherals in low and high minors were pretty decent, how likely is it that he can repeat his OBP from last year? Second Question... How likely is it that Billy Butler repeats his HR total from last year... and a third question who will win the superbowl? San Fran is 2 to 1 and i think those are some solid odds. Thank you in advance
(Nasir Jones from NY)
I think Revere can keep hitting for average, so he can post something like a league-average OBP even though he rarely walks. If you buy him for the steals and aren't concerned about the lack of power, he's a useful fantasy player.

PECOTA projects Butler for 20 HR in 637 PA. PECOTA is pretty conservative. I think I'd take the over on 20 and the under on 29.

I'm not kidding when I say that I have no idea who's in the Super Bowl. Or the NFL playoffs, for that matter. Know nothing about handegg. (Ben Lindbergh)
2012-04-19 14:00:00 (link to chat)My Phils just lost to your Giants 1-0 last night, and now have the league's third fewest runs scored. Are there any quick fixes available?
(Drew Lewis from Medford, MA)
I doubt there's much available via trade this early in the season, so the Phillies might as well look inside the organization first. Playing Domonic Brown over Juan Pierre in left field would seem to be an obvious place to start. (Daniel Rathman)
2012-04-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)As Omar Vizquel enters his 24th season, is he worthy of the HOF?
(ParklandTrojan from Pennsylvania)
Nope. He's such a below-average hitter (.244 True Average) that it eats into his overall value considerably, and despite the Gold Gloves we have him at just ~11 FRAA for his career. He's not Ozzie Smith, Part Deux by any stretch of the imagination any more than Juan Pierre is Rickey Henderson, Part Deux. (Jay Jaffe)
2012-03-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)What kind of playing time do you reasonably expect for John Mayberry this season?
(Prospecting from Holding pattern)
A lot. He should be the primary first baseman while Ryan Howard is on the shelf, and once Howard comes back, I fully expect him to get a lot of the playing time in left field as long as something crazy doesn't happen, like Domonic Brown coming up and demolishing or Juan Pierre blackmailing Charlie Manuel. (Derek Carty)
2012-03-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)Players like Manny Ramirez and Johnny Damon will/may miss chunks of the season but for different reasons. Which older players with either reduced roles or other circumstances limiting games played are worth gambling on this season?
(Tony035 from Toronto, ON)
Juan Pierre is interesting in Philadelphia, at least for the first couple months of the year for cheap steals. Tim Hudson might miss a month of the year, but he'll be good when he's healthy, and he came pretty cheap in LABR this weekend ($7). A.J. Burnett same deal ($3), but I like him in the NL and PNC Park. (Derek Carty)
2011-06-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)Alcides Escobar is showing that there is some production in his bat. Can he keep up being not terrible on offense for a good part of his career?
(Jerry from Bass Boat)
A guy like that is always tough to project long-term. He's a classic high-speed, low-walk guy. Some of these guys get lots of chances to play regularly (like Juan Pierre). Others don't (like Joey Gathright). Lucky for Escobar, he is a plus defender at a premium position, so I would wager between that, his speed, his youth, and his ability to hit for a decent enough batting average that he'll get his fair share of chances. As long as he plays, he'll be a fantasy asset, especially if a team lets him leadoff. (Derek Carty)
2010-07-01 14:00:00 (link to chat)We know Dee Gordon is barely surviving at the plate in AA. What about defense? If he's a plus glove at SS he still seems like good prospect. If he's shaky there, or worse, has to move to the outfield - then were talking poor-man's Juan Pierre.
(Sanchez101 from Santa Barbara, CA)
Barely surviving? I understand that he's should very little secondary skill wise, but .290 is hardly 'barely surviving.' Defense remains a combination of sloppy and spectacular, but he's got time to figure it out. (Kevin Goldstein)
2010-06-07 18:30:00 (link to chat)Force a comp here, Kevin...I'm Gary Brown's upside, correct?
(Eric Byrnes from Rec Softball Field)
How about Juan Pierre with some power. That's a good player. (Kevin Goldstein)
2010-06-07 18:30:00 (link to chat)"Juan Pierre with some power." Sizemore?
(DavidLADodgers from Sonoma State University, Ca)
To clarify. Better defender than Pierre, fantastic CF, and a plus arm. GOOD PLAYER even if he doesn't walk. Walks are not a black/white issue. walks does not equal good, no walks does not equal bad. (Kevin Goldstein)
2010-01-26 14:00:00 (link to chat)What would you do if one of your least favorite rappers mentioned advanced baseball statistics in one of his songs? e.g. "I'm huge like Pujols' wOBA, that's why they call me Hova"
(firejerrymanuel from ny)
Before or after my head exploded? Hova name drops Juan Pierre, so we've got a way to go on that front. (Tommy Bennett)
2009-12-29 15:00:00 (link to chat)Is there any hope that Angels can find a team willing to take on Matthews' contract? Half of it? Do you think he has any remaining uses as a bench player for his current team or as a starter for any other desperate team?
(Carlos from CA)
Well, the White Sox relieved the Dodgers of a chunk of the obligation to Juan Pierre. Unfortunately, whereas Pierre has speed and might hit .290 with a .345 OBP, Matthews doesn't bring even that to the table. The only reason to roster him is his contract, because there are better versions of the player he is--fourth/fifth outfielder--available for free. I doubt he's tradeable, and I think there's a case for just releasing him. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-12-29 15:00:00 (link to chat)Follow up on the AL Central you think the White Sox have what it takes to win those 85.5 games? I tend to believe if they don't bat Juan Pierre leadoff every day they'd be in pretty good shape with the pitching they have.
(Matt from Bloomington)
Who hits leadoff if Pierre doesn't? Beckham isn't really that guy, I'm not sold on Ramirez and there's no one else on radar, that I can see. Pierre might actually be the best leadoff hitter they have. I think they'll struggle to score, but the pitching might get them to 86, anyway. High-variance team. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-12-15 14:00:00 (link to chat)Juan Pierre to the White Sox huh? I really have to ask why, and further, how bad of an off season have the White Sox had? Lastly, Pierre or Podzilla? Both suck but it begs the question.
(Justin from Normal, IL)
Talk about trying to lower standards in the game's low-standards division. Maybe this is a sop to Ozzie to let him play Ozzieball with one spot on the roster, but $10.5 million for Pierre plus the commitment to then stick Rios in right... yeah, I'm not wild about it. We know he won't get on base. We know he'll still bases at a merely adequate rate of success. We know he's uniquely unqualified to take advantage of hitting in the Cell. What we don't know is how much defensive value he has as an everday center fielder, because he's got, what, 200 innings or so there over the last two seasons. He was an asset there for the Cubs in 2006 and for the Dodgers in 2007, but is it enough to put up with the rest, and when that means you're also stuck with Rios's offensive contributions in right? It may not cost them the division, but it won't do all that much to help them win it either. The question of the expense is, for me, more a matter of what they don't get to spend it on. Here's hoping they do still at least get a DH on a one-year deal to help produce baserunners and boppery. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-12-15 14:00:00 (link to chat)Alex Rios and now Juan Pierre? Who's advising the White Sox, Neel Kashkari?
(matuszek from Baltimore)
Chuck Tanner? Steve Boros? It's kooky, but then we're in a situation where we're debating the merits of Juan Pierre at $5 million plus versus a non-answer like Podzilla for under $2 million. Picking the former's the better answer if you start with the assumption neither's an offensive asset, since Podsednik's not a CF any more, but for that much? Why not check out Coco Crisp or Endy Chavez? (Christina Kahrl)
2009-12-15 14:00:00 (link to chat)Which ball park will Adrian Gonzalez call home next year? If it's not Petco, he could put up some awesome numbers, no?
(uptick from St. Louis)
They'll be awesome anywhere. The thing I love about having him in Petco is that his contract's just $10.25 million over the next two years (or what's perhaps now best judged as, "less than the White Sox are paying Juan Pierre out of their own pockets"), and that fact's tremendously valuable in itself. You also get to offer him arbitration for 2012, and that wouldn't hurt you, either way, accepted or not. Maybe the Pads can't get to the playoffs in either of the next two seasons, but at that price, he very well could be part of it if they have a few other things work out. Taken together, the package you take to deal A-Gonz has to be a sox-knocker. It's up to Boston (or whoever) to make it so. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-12-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Is there a GM out there dumb enough to take on Juan Pierre and most of his contract?
(misterjohnny from Los Angeles)
The damage is mostly done at this point, and if you're the Dodgers, you just live with an expensive fourth outfielder. Pierre at least is a decent use of the roster spot, as opposed to say, Matthews Jr. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-12-01 13:00:00 (link to chat)First off, have you played Demon's Souls and, if so, thoughts? The most frustratingly awesome game I've played in a long while (and I mean that in a good way). Secondly, what are your thoughts of a 'challenge trade' between the Dodgers and Mets: Mets get Russ Martin, Rafael Furcal and Juan Pierre; Dodgers get back Jose Reyes and The Contract Formerly Known As Luis Castillo.
(Silv from NY, NY)
Demon's Souls is in my top three of all games I have played this year, alongside Uncharted 2 and New Super Mario Bros. Wii. It's my pick for RPG of the year, and it should get recognition as a legitimate Game of the Year candidate, but I haven't written those articles for Blast quite yet.

I think Reyes will rebound, and I'm pretty sure the Mets feel the same way. I'm not so sure about Russ Martin, just because I wonder if he really was beaten into the ground by starting all of the time like everyone used to joke/worry he would be. I wouldn't do if if I were the Mets, but I would immediately make this move if I were the Dodgers. (Marc Normandin)
2009-10-28 14:00:00 (link to chat)Thoughts on Colletti's extension?
(David from Sonoma State University, CA)
You know how some players have their best years right as they're about to become free agents? That's what happened with Colletti - he had a fantastic year. No new dumb contracts, great plays towards the end of the winter to get bargains on Randy Wolf, Orlando Hudson and Manny Ramirez (who exercised his player option and will return, according to the tweets I've received today), and smart in-season acquisitions that helped the team reach the NLCS at minimal future cost (though Josh Bell does make me wince a little). Hell, even Juan Pierre made him look good by playing well during Manny's absence.

The Dodgers have now made the postseason in three of Colletti's four years, and while that certainly owes something to his predecessor, Paul DePodesta, and his underlings, Logan White, Kim Ng and DeJon Watson, it's very tough to kick a guy out the door when he's at the helm of a team with that recent track record.

Which doesn't mean he doesn't scare the bejesus out of me as a Dodger fan at times, but I guess I'd rather hear him say he's not trading the Dodgers core youngsters for an ace (as he did last week) than floating the idea of trading a Kershaw or a Kemp (as he did last winter). (Jay Jaffe)
2009-07-07 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you think Juan Pierre brings back in a deal and who could use him?
(Tim from Tampa)
I would love to believe he could bring back a competent fifth starter, but I doubt the Dodgers have the appetite to eat enough of his salary to deal him. Nobody wants to take on $20+ million for his contract in this economy. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-06-03 15:00:00 (link to chat)Jacoby Ellsbury: is this it? Is this as good as he's gonna be? He's looking eerily like Michael Bourn, except about 9 months younger.
(johnpark99 from Boston)
Oh, I'm sorry. You were expecting him to hit .353 again? That's not going to happen.

While he's got speed galore, right now it seems rather apparent that he lacks the power and plate discipline to live up to the early Johnny Damon comparisons. He's walked in less than six percent of his plate apperances, for crying out loud. He's the Juan Pierre of the AL East! (Jay Jaffe)
2009-05-21 14:00:00 (link to chat)Is Ellsbury ever going to turn into the two-way player we thought he was going to? He hasn't hit since the World Series in 2007.
(Bobby from Boston)
No. Not enough power, so he just sees fastballs that he slaps for singles, and no one walks him. He's not a bad player, just an inadequate leadoff man. A better version of Juan Pierre. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-05-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)Uh, is "kidney procedure" the new slang for superdupersteroids, or did Joe Mauer just decide to stop messing around and become Mike Piazza?
(Dan Pawson from Boston, MA)
I traded him in Tout.

No, really it's just the normal small-sample variations you'll see in any two week period for almost any player. Juan Pierre is tearing it up in Manny Ramirez's absence, but it doesn't make him a great player. Mauer *is* a great player and he's on one of those runs that you just sit back and enjoy. (Will Carroll)
2009-04-10 16:30:00 (link to chat)It seems like there's rigid dogma at BP against stolen bases, claiming they're overrated and largely unnecessary. But if someone steals at a high enough clip (say, 85%+) aren't those extra bases very much worthwhile, akin to hitting a double instead of a single?
(Charles from Ann Arbor)
You mistake the target; it's more often the problem with who's getting played to generate those steals than the stealing of the bases that is the problem. Stealing bases doesn't make Willy Taveras or Juan Pierre incredibly valuable in the real world; in the real world, stolen bases aren't a category you play people like that to "win," you use tactics as an element of victory. Everybody should keep an active arsenal of tactical options to put pressure on defenses, but going so far as to play Juan Pierre is where the wisdom involved evaporates. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-04-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)In a bubble would Juan Pierre have any value at 2B? It seems like hes not far off from Felipe Lopez.
(modofacid from Philly)
This bubble would have to be one where baseball was played counterclockwise, as Pierre throws left-handed. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-03-10 14:30:00 (link to chat)Has Brett Gardner won the CF starting job over Melky with his spring showing so far? With the power that Gardner is showing - is this just small sample size or is he demonstrating an improvement in that skill set?
(Zach from Buffalo)
I don't think Brett Gardner can hit for any kind of power in the majors. He's Juan Pierre, more or less. That's a useful player at $400,000 in a less-than-critical role.

Tangential note. You know how it feels like we've been in spring training forever and can start to reach conclusions? We're still nearly four weeks from Opening Day, and between the WBC and injuries, a whole hell of a lot of major leaguers are missing from Florida and Arizona. Moreso then ever, spring training stats are meaningless. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-02-03 13:00:00 (link to chat)Joe-thanks for the chat. Are the Dodgers better off signing Dunn, Hudson and Wolf vs. Manny and Wolf?
(raygu1 from princeton, nj)
Why are they signing Randy Wolf? Why, in fact, do I have so many references to Randy Wolf in my queue? He's a flyball pitcher without the stuff to pull that off, a 6.24 ERA waiting to happen.

The Dodgers have jammed up their roster in a way that makes it hard for them to sign players. Too many roster spots and too much money being wasted on Juan Pierre and Casey Blake and Jason Schmidt. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-12-23 14:00:00 (link to chat)Does anybody want Juan Pierre? Besides the obvious choices of family and friends, there doesn't seem to be any entities known as 'baseball teams' interested. Could you give us Dodger fans some solace? You could even lie to us, and tell us a big 3-team deal is in the works for Pierre. We'll buy it, hoping against hope.
(Rich from Columbus, OH)
How about trading him to The Netherlands and forgetting to take him back when the WBC is over? (Christina Kahrl)
2008-12-05 14:00:00 (link to chat)The Dodgers are looking to trade for a SS. A report came out this week the Rays would be willing to trade Bartlett and we know they would like a young corner outfielder. Bartlett + for one of the Dodgers OF'ers?
(Tommy from Tropicana Field)
Sure, if by young corner outfielder you mean Juan Pierre. Or Delwyn Young. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-10-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)I think I have difficulty contextualizing the numbers, usage, and player archetypes of the deadball era with the modern game. That and I pretty much don't recognize any of the names so I don't attach as much emotion to the players as I would a lot of the post-deadball stars.
(Aaron from YYZ)
It's difficult to work with the stats, which is why when I write about it, I try to discuss the players in terms of modern analogues or styles of play. I try to look at the stats, the translations, and the things that contemporaries said about them and say, "Well, they said the same things about this guy that they say about Juan Pierre." I also look at it as a chance to appreciate players that I missed, in the same way that I seek out albums or books that are now out of print because I hear they're really good... (Steven Goldman)
2008-09-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)Can Andre Ethier get a little more attention for what he's been doing, please?
(Odie from Portland)
Ethier has been tearing it up, no doubt, and I've been seeing quite a lot of his exploits lately. .390/.455/.820 over the past month, and .500/.582/.957 over the past two-ish weeks batting in front of Manny Ramirez. You had to know that the only way the whole Juan Pierre debacle could be put to rest was if Ethier went white-hot, and luckily, Little Peanuthead has one start since August 20. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-08-01 14:00:00 (link to chat)Prediction: The Dodgers will play Jones in left, Manny in center, Juan Pierre in right and finally sit those bums Ethier and Kemp?
(Joe from Cleveland)
Almost nothing would surprise me at this point, but let's face it, while the team needed a big bat (they're 15th in the NL in homers), even the most merit-oriented lineup arrangement results in a defensive alignment of Manny-Kemp-Ethier, which could be a big mess that won't help their pitching staff one bit. And among the myriad things Pierre is not, "competent defensive replacement" is one of them. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-05-29 13:00:00 (link to chat)How about Juan Pierre's isolated power of 33? Is it safe to say that that kind of production from a left fielder is team suicide?
(jtrichey from Indianapolis)
Pretty much. Pierre had a one-week hit streak and has played regularly ever since, hitting .238/.304/.250 since the Dodgers left Coors Field. Anybody would be better. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-04-29 14:00:00 (link to chat)In today's San Diego Union-Tribune, beat writer Tom Krasovic states "the Dodgers may be as or more talented than Arizona, according to some veteran scouts who've seen a lot of both teams." Your thoughts...
(UTsubscriber from san diego)
Sure, I can dig. The problem is in the utilization of that talent: Arizona is playing all of their excellent young hitters, and the Dodgers still don't know if they want to be led by veterans or a youth movement. It's a sad situation when Juan Pierre could play himself back into a job, thanks to Jones' issues. If LaRoche were healthy and playing, that would help level things a bit too.

Remember, before the D'backs were the go-to example of talented youth, the Dodgers were sitting on that throne. Those kids are still on the roster, too. (Marc Normandin)
2008-04-29 14:00:00 (link to chat)Do the contracts given to Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre represent the worst two-step approach to solving one problem in the history of the game? What terror-alert color would you assign to Ned Coletti's job security.
(jody reed from dodgertown)

1. Sign washed up players.
2. "?"
3. Profit. (Marc Normandin)
2008-04-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)What are your thoughts on Carlos Gomez? I had not seen him play as a Met, but he's been a lot of fun to watch, even if he does look lost at the plate occasionally.
(Jason from Blaine, MN)
He's really, really fast and strikes me as the next Juan Pierre. By that, I mean a guy who's going to be far more valuable in fantasy than in real baseball. It all depends on whether he gets some plate discipline, something it will be hard for him to do in the bigs. (Will Carroll)
2008-03-31 13:00:00 (link to chat)Are you surprised that the Dodgers were able to make the right move and start Andre Ethier over Juan Pierre?
(dblatnik from Sunnyvale, CA)
A little bit, because Joe Torre is a sucker for the "traditional" leadoff man that Pierre represents. That said, he can be a faithless master, and Ethier will be on a short leash. (Steven Goldman)
2008-03-31 13:00:00 (link to chat)For 100 years, Juan Pierre would have been a perennial all-star and possible hall of famer. Now, he gets beat out for a job by Ethier -- who ain't exactly Jay Bruce -- despite a $10 million salary. The final nail in the anti-statheads' coffin. Congratulations.
(Sam from Santa Ana)
Thanks. We're currently soliciting donations for a wreath... That said, I don't think we should start making plans to dance on Pierre's grave just yet. He'll be back as soon as an injury or slump gives Torre an excuse. I figure he'll still get 400 fairly useless at bats when all is said and done. (Steven Goldman)
2008-03-11 12:00:00 (link to chat)Thanks for the chat Joe. As a Dodger fan I have been getting a sinking feeling about the upcoming season. Is Joe Torre the right man for the job?
(jtrichey from Indianapolis)
For all of Joe's reputation as a guy who doesn't like young players, he did manage that Yankee core to four championships. Yeah, Tony Fernandez was kind enough to get hurt 12 years ago, but I see the Dodgers' core as comparable to what Torre had in NY.

It would help, considerably, if Juan Pierre would retire.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Logan White Dodgers and Paul DePodesta Dodgers are miles ahead of the Ned Colletti Dodgers. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-02-29 13:00:00 (link to chat)Who has the stronger arm? Me or Juan Pierre? (Note: I "probably" lead my slow pitch softball league in outfield assists last year, although most of the base runners have had hip replacements recently.)
(Clay from St. Louis, MO)
Well, if your league is anything like the one I played in last year, getting an assist is actually an accomplishment since we're too old to try to stretch anything or for that matter want to even consider sliding. So I'd have to say yes, your arm is probably competitive.

For 2007 Pierre ranked dead last among centerfielders at -7.3 with a rate of -6.0. Grady Sizemore is second to last at -4.6 with David DeJesus (-4.5) not far behind. In 2006 Pierre was -1.8 and in 2005 -1.6. From 2005-2007 he finished second to last at -10.7 ahead of only Johnny Damon (-11.2). He wasn't nearly as bad as far as rate was concerned because of his greater playing time (-3.0 per 550 opportunities). From a rate perspective Brady Clark did the worst among centerfielders who received much playing time (256 adjusted games in those three years) at -5.3 runs per 550 opportunities.

Who was the worst in 2005-2007 you might ask (ok, you didn't but play along)? Shawn Green was -16.0 and Shannon Stewart was -11.8 before we get to Damon and Pierre. Jason Bay (-10.5) and Xavier Nady (-10.4) were no great shakes either. (Dan Fox)
2008-01-25 13:30:00 (link to chat)What's the likely defensive difference between Juan Pierre and Matt Kemp in CF this year? Offensively, it's obvious, and even defensively, it seems clear that Kemp would be an upgrade, but how much? Could Kemp hold his own in CF, or is he destined to play a corner? Thanks!
(jromero from seattle)
So did I miss something or is Andruw Jones not playing CF in Los Angeles this summer?

But to your question, while everyone knows that Pierre has a poor arm I was a little surprised in center field (where the magnitude of the difference a player can make with his arm is constrained) that he rated so poorly at -7 runs to go along with his -8 runs in the beta version of SFR for outfielders.

Simply by replacing Pierre with anyone the difference is likely to be a win or two on the defensive side.

In CF Kem played very sparingly there in 2007 so there are no numbers that I have that would reflect his skill there. In right field, however, he was below average both in SFR and throwing so my guess is that he's not in CF for a reason. (Dan Fox)
2008-02-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)I am Joe Torre. You are Juan Pierre. Make a case for playing everyday over Andre Ethier.
(raygu1 from nj)
I can't. It's not that Pierre can't be a valuable player, but not every day in left field. But you know that, and I think Ned Colletti does too. (David Laurila)
2008-01-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you think of Ned Colletti's offseason? At least it's been better than I expected. Can the Dodgers compete with Arizona in the west next year?
(nickojohnson from Los Angeles)
The Dodgers can certainly compete. In fact, I don't think they're giving up much to anyone in the National League right now. Of course, they'd probably gain 3-4 wins on that projection if Juan Pierre found his way into the Springfield Mystery Spot tomorrow morning. (Nate Silver)
2008-01-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)Joe - thanks as always for the time. How is the Dodgers outfield going to sort out this year? Any semi-knowledgeable fan of the team wants to see Ethier/Jones/Kemp, but can Colletti find a taker for Juan Pierre? There's zero chance of Ethier and Pierre splitting at-bats right?
(vtadave from Reno, NV)
That would be an awkward platoon, since both are lefthanded. Kemp is the player more likely to lose time in any job-sharing arrangement.

Remember, the Dodgers don't seem to think that Juan Pierre is a huge problem. He played in 162 games last season, started 154 in the top two lineup spots, stole 64 bases, batted .293...there's not much recognition that he's not very good.

I don't see a trade partner on the horizon, but I guess 4/36 for the guy in the last paragraph might look good to someone.

I suspect we're looking at a Kemp/Ethier platoon. Remember, too, that Pierre has a consecutive-games streak of more than 800, and breaking that with a "DNP-Torre's call" will not be easy. (Joe Sheehan)

BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2009-10-21 17:00:00NLCS Game 5And here we see Juan Pierre batting when Orlando Hudson was due, in a bandbox that rewards people who get balls to the gaps, and that's just not Juan Pierre any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. (Christina Kahrl)
2008-10-13 17:00:00NLCS Game FourAngel Berroa and Juan Pierre. In the same game. In the playoffs. (Will Carroll)
2008-10-13 17:00:00NLCS Game Four"Juan Pierre (Los Angeles): Can I get you anything to wash down that crow?"

Yeah, throw me that bottle of water.

On second thought, I'll come get it. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-10-13 17:00:00NLCS Game FourGetting hit hard by Casey Blake and Juan Pierre isn't exactly a confidence-builder. (Gary Huckabay)
2008-10-13 17:00:00NLCS Game FourJuan Pierre works hard. I'm glad, but if it's only his work ethic that allows him to be this "good", there's problems.

Oh good lord and he was out by five feet. (Will Carroll)
2008-10-13 17:00:00NLCS Game FourThey're not kidding about the fires. Up here, it's incredibly dry, and the winds are strong and random.

Juan Pierre's work ethic and attitude are no doubt fantastic. So are Will's, and I wouldn't want him in my lineup either.

Juan Pierre as a starter is completely and utterly ridiculous. Signing him to that deal should have been a firing offense. The kind of move that justifies the owner having a cell phone on him at all times. (Gary Huckabay)
2008-10-13 17:00:00NLCS Game Four"jtrichey (Indianapolis): So, what does everybody think about Juan Pierre starting tonight instead of Matt Kemp. You know, the Kemp that has "struggled" in 3 measly games to the tune of a .385 on base average. Yes, I am a Dodger fan, so I'm biased--against Pierre. If we lose because of runners scoring from second with ease on hits to center field, I'm going to be mighty unhappy."

And Joe Blanton is basically neutral, leaning backwards, for his career and for 2008. And the only thing Pierre does better than Kemp is remember the '80s. But you go for it, Joe.

Unless there's an injury we don't know about, this is brutal.
(Joe Sheehan)
2008-09-30 16:30:00Twins/White Sox Play-In GameTrue or false: Carlos Gomez is Juan Pierre with some upside. (Will Carroll)

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