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|2018-05-17 13:00:00 (link to chat)||The A's are hanging in there right now, but I highly doubt they are making a run as the season heads into summer. What are realistic returns for guys like Jed Lowrie, Blake Treinen, Matt Joyce, Jonathan Lucroy, and Khris Davis?|
(John from Harrisonburg)
|Man, this is tough. The four hitters you mentioned are all playing well now, same as Treinen ... but I think it all depends on perceived need by any acquiring team. Joyce probably pulls the least value of the five, in my opinion, because his role is filled by lots of other players out there on the open market. To me, he's probably a dude that pulls back a flyer-type prospect in that C+ range.
Lucroy could be a big upgrade over a team with a dire catching situation (read: the Nationals), so I could absolutely see a team dealing something from the bottom part of their Top 10 to acquire him on a short-term deal. If he punched a ball over the fence once or twice before the deadline, that'd help his cause.
Davis is an interesting case, as I think his market would be more limited to AL teams, and I think those front offices might see his low BABIP making him something of a buy-low candidate. But he's going to be very expensive in arbitration this offseason, so I'm not sure anyone would see him as a tremendous value, which will drive down his return. Maybe a Top 15 prospect in a strong system? Hard to say.
Treinen is probably the big-ticket item of this bunch, with two more years after this under inexpensive team control. A legitimate prospect could come back to the A's in exchange for his arm (and the rest of him, I guess), and probably 10-12 teams will be looking for a reliever at the deadline. I could see this deal looking like the Justin Wilson trade from the last deadline, with a Jeimer Candelario prospect coming back.
Finally, there's Lowrie. Jed! has been outrageous, and I think he remains underrated and undervalued across the board. The Indians, Cardinals, Diamondbacks, and others could be fun fits this season ... but I'd think the A's would be wise to try to pull the trigger on this deal ASAP. I think he could return a top-10 guy too, but more likely a close-to-the-majors or big-league piece that has more team control and a relatively low upside. (Bryan Grosnick)
|2018-02-05 12:00:00 (link to chat)||You guys seem low on Austin Hays, what do you expect from him this year if in fact he is in the opening day outfield for the O's?|
(Paddy from Ireland)
|Oh, ~15% better than league average hitter, power over hit, solid corner D, what is that nowadays, Matt Joyce? Corey Dickerson? (Top 101 with Jeffrey Paternostro)|
|2017-08-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)||What do you do with a player like Ryon Healy if you're the A's? He showed real promise last season shooting through the minors and in a half season in the majors last year. This year, he continues to show power, but everything else -- defense, on base ability, baserunning -- is lacking. With so many other DHs on the team or on the horizon, what do the A's do with a guy like Healy? He seemingly hasn't made adjustments now that pitchers have film of him. Is .250/.280/.480 a major leaguer?|
(John from San Francisco)
|Yeah, things didn't really turn out there the way we might've though, eh? (Full disclosure: For those of you who follow my silliness, Healy was the 2016 Full Vogelsong Player of the Year as well as the must of August.) But he's pretty much the hitter PECOTA anticipated; we had him at .260/.291/.406, .253 TAv, before the season. He's actually been a little bit better, largely because everybody hits at least 20 home runs this year.
His performance equates to a .259 TAv so far, which is a little below average. That works on the right side of defensive spectrum, but not at the left end where Healy resides. We've got him finishing the year with 1.0 WARP on the nose, about half of last year's 1.9 in more than double the playing time. That's not good! But it's still a major leaguer.
On the other hand, it's not THAT bad. He has, to date, the fourth-highest TAv among DHs (assigning all of his plate appearances to DH, where he's played the most). That is, in case you weren't sure, totally nuts, Cruz, Encarnaction, HanRam, then Healy. Ahead of, among others, Holliday and Morales and Trumbo and Beltran and VMart and Pujols. So on a *relative* basis, he's decent for a DH. Add in the fact that he can play the two infield corners, giving him some defensive value relative to the bat-only guys, and he has some value.
But to your point--yeah, this is probably what we're going to get. (I should also note that FRAA isn't as down on his fielding as DRS and especially UZR.) He'll turn 26 in January, so there probably isn't a gang of development to go. And as you point out, on a team with Matt Olson and Matt Joyce and Jaycob Brugman and Stephen Vogt, he's a little redundant. Realistically, I'd expect him to stick with the team until there's someone on the farm who *has* to take his place. He's not old, he's cheap, and he isn't going to kill you at the corners. So he has value. (Rob Mains)
|2017-02-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Strategy question, 20 team, 25 player rosters, up to 13 keepers, do you keep outfielders like Josh Reddick or Jayson Werth or take your chances trying to get someone else.|
(Andrew from Nebraska)
|I'd take my chances on someone else, but Reddick has value in the right format as a platoon option. I've had success doing that with guys like Matt Joyce, Brandon Guyer, Danny Valencia, Steve Pearce, etc...just mixing and matching based on daily lineups...It can work in a deeper league. (George Bissell)|
|2016-09-08 19:00:00 (link to chat)||Do you see any of the following playing meaningful roles in the mlb in 2017:
Rio Ruiz, A Knapp, Micah Johnson, A Toles?|
(DB from Pgh)
|I'm going to say no on Ruiz, Knapp and Johnson, but I firmly believe that Andrew Toles, who has already shown his value as a righty-masher for the Dodgers, becomes a quality platoon outfield for Los Angeles moving forward. If you're looking for the next platoon specialist like Matt Joyce or Danny Valencia, this is your guy. (George Bissell)|
|2015-02-26 20:00:00 (link to chat)||What's Oswaldo Arcia's dynasty value? Is his floor a premium platoon piece?|
(JT Smooth from Other side of the pillow)
|It won't be unless he cuts down on the strikeouts. His floor is essentially Matt Joyce. (Bret Sayre)|
|2014-06-26 14:00:00 (link to chat)||20 team dynasty league and my only SS are Cozart and Rutledge. Should I trade Joc Pederson and Matt Joyce for Jean Segura?|
(BigMac25 from Montreal)
|No. I agree that shortstop is an issue on your roster, but Joc Pederson is too much for Segura. Segura will have the steals. He needs to prove he can actually keep the baseball off the ground, if he's going to be anything more than a slap hitter w/ a solid-average glove at shortstop. I thought he'd bounce back from his poor second half in 2013. I've been disappointed.
To be clear, I still like Segura well-enough in dynasty leagues. Pederson is just too much to give. (J.P. Breen)
|2014-02-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Matt Joyce and Andy Dirks were benched during the play-offs last year. Are they washed up or were they just in a temporary funk?|
(hotstatrat from Toronto, O.)
|I don't think they're washed. Same with Daniel Nava. Each is a useful player; they were just caught in bad spells at the wrong time. (R.J. Anderson)|
|2013-07-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)||You said that you like John Danks ROS. In my 16 tm h2h league I offered Matt Joyce for John Danks straight up, and am waiting for a response. Is this enough to snag him you think? Is Danks worth my "flier guys" like Josh Rutledge, Carlos Quentin, or Ichiro? Is Joyce more valuable than any of the above mentioned bench guys? Thanks |
(George from SD)
|It should be. I'd rather deal Rutledge or Ichiro for him, but that might not be enough. (Paul Sporer)|
|2013-05-22 18:00:00 (link to chat)||Matt Joyce owns May. Who owns June?|
(JomTones from CwoTents)
|Pujols has the highest active career OPS in June at 1.051. Put me down for Weeks waking up as well (Jason Collette)|
|2013-02-26 14:00:00 (link to chat)||If Myers absolutely tears it up this spring do you think he still gets sent down due to cost saving considerations?|
(cal guy from stuck in cal)
|I think it would take a combination of an enormous spring and a couple of injuries for Wil Myers to make the Rays on Opening Day, both because of the Super Two and free-agent clock elements, and because Andrew Friedman indicated last week that he thinks Myers still has adjustments to make in the upper minors.
Matt Joyce should be able to hold down the fort in left field, especially with a slew of platoon options available to Joe Maddon. (Daniel Rathman)
|2012-09-28 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Rays have a large amount of money coming off the books after this season and the most important keys to the offseason are keeping David Price's salary from going too high(extension, perhaps?) and possibly locking up Matt Joyce long-term. Rays have prospects to possibly make trades for a C, 1B and SS(3 needs) but could just as well spend money in free agency. What do you consider to be the better plan of action for the Rays?>|
(jlarsen from chicago)
|Thank you for your question, jlarsen from my hometown of Chicago. The Rays have done a great job stocking their system as a result of their talented front office and excellent scouting director, RJ Harrison. They have some tough decisions, but those are fun to have, because options are fun to explore and there is strength in having options. Joe Madden is exceptional, and he consistently keeps the Rays among the upper echelon. Without knowing their budget for 2013, it would be difficult to have an opinion on their best move, because the baseball decisions are also influenced by their budget, like every club. I would not want to be playing them right now. (Dan Evans)|
|2011-08-16 17:00:00 (link to chat)||What kind of career do you see Matt Joyce having? Do you think at his peak he can put up similar numbers (incl. OBP) as JD Drew? |
(DS from LA)
|He will never be the defender Drew is/was, but the rest of that comp works for me. Joyce has been given small pockets of chances against lefties but the fact he has to sit against lefties at times for a well-below replacement level guy like Elliot Johnson makes no sense. The Rays are not contending right now so I do not see why the club does not put Joyce out there as much as possible and let him sink or swim against lefties because it is still better than what an org soldier like Johnson would do. An outside theory floated by my colleague at DRaysBay, Heath Baywood, is moving Joyce to first base if the team cannot find a FA solution this off-season or cannot trade for someone. (Jason Collette)|
|2011-06-20 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Is Matt Joyce worth keeping for the year or should I trade him now and try to get a quality starting pitcher out of him? What type of pitcher could I get?|
(Tim from Bronx)
|Joyce is producing at a level well beyond his 90th percentile PECOTA projection, and there's nowhere to go but down. He's capable of being a productive corner outfielder, but it's a reach to think he's going to evolve into a star.
As to who you could get, i have no idea your league, format, or the tendencies of your other owners. Best I can say is make him available and see who bites. (Jay Jaffe)
|2011-06-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)||AL Keeper 5x5, I'm in first place with a lot of seeming overachievers -- Matt Joyce, Avila, Bedard, Pineda, but I have those players at good prices. How to decide who to keep, who to deal, and how to value them?|
(jmercan from NJ)
|I'm buying into Avila least and would likely attempt to keep Joyce and Pineda since you have them at good prices unless you get a really great offer. Bedard is good but is a perpetual injury risk, so if you get a good deal, take it while his value is high. Avila I'd attempt to trade too, though I'm not giving him away. (Derek Carty)|
|2011-06-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Are you buying or selling Matt Joyce?|
(jmoore from Detroit)
|Depends on who I'm talking to. Two days ago I was trying to buy Joyce in the CardRunners Expert League (AL-only) but wasn't successful. Unless you're in a league with a bunch of fish, you're not going to trade Joyce for a top-shelf player, but because of the endowment effect, his owners likely aren't trading him either. I like Joyce and buy into him aside from the AVG, so if you can get him for a reasonable price, do it. If you own him, ride it out, because he's a good one. (Derek Carty)|
|2011-05-26 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Wow, Matt Joyce. I always him to get a real shot, but I was expecting more of a .260, 25 HR type of guy. What's your thought on where he ends up numbers-wise?|
(Rob from Alaska)
|I'm a big Matt Joyce fan. Joyce got off to a bit of a slow start on the home run front, but lately he seems to launch one every other game. I think 20-to-25 home runs is a fair estimate, especially if he gets a little more time versus lefties. He may not hit them well, but I think he can steal a homer or two off them. (R.J. Anderson)|
|2010-07-01 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Would you be playing Matt Joyce over Desmond Jennings if you had an offense in desperate need of a spark? What am I missing here? I know he was hurt, but a .965 OPS in June suggests that striking while the iron is hot may be in order here.|
(Jim Humdingding from Sphinx Park, CO)
|I would take Jennings over Joyce any day of the week and twice on Sundays. (Kevin Goldstein)|
|2010-03-26 13:00:00 (link to chat)||wher do you see sean rodriguez fitting in tampa?|
(mjk415 from elmhurst,ill)
|The Rays seem to be bursting at the seams with talent right now. Joe Maddon has some interesting options when it comes to where Ben Zobrist plays, and who that leaves in the mix. If Zobrist is a second baseman, Rodriguez and Reid Brignac probably compete for the final utility spot and the Matt Joyce/Gabe Kapler platoon goes off as planned. If Zobrist is a right fielder, Rodriguez has a shot at winning the second base job.
The fact that he can play the outfield as well as the other infield positions certainly works in his favor if he goes the utility route.
Oh, and an aside to a reader whom I'll leave unidentified: the surest way for me to ignore any question you ever ask in a chat until the end of time is to complain about the pace of things in my chat. I'm not Keith Law firing off two-syllable answers, though I'll gladly give you one: GET BENT. (Jay Jaffe)
|2010-02-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Do you think Carl Crawford gets dealt before the deadline this year, paving the way for Jennings? Or do you see an outfield of Crawford, Jennings and Upton heading into August? |
(tommybones from brooklyn)
|I think it all depends upon where the Rays are in the standings. Crawford is obviously more likely to get dealt if they're out of it.
That said, it's going to be *very* interesting to see what happens, because there's a line of thinking that says they keep Crawford and trade Upton at the point when his value is on the rise again. Remember, they've also got to figure out where Ben Zobrist fits, and Matt Joyce... suffice it to say that they've got an enviable amount of depth and flexibility. (Jay Jaffe)
|2010-01-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)||So if you're Andrew Friedman, and you have Zorilla, Bartlett, Brignac, Sean Rodriguez, and Matt Joyce all scrapping it out for 3 spots (RF, 2B, SS). Who do you play where, who do you put on the bench, and who do you put in AAA? Where are they being assigned on your fantasy lists?|
(Stephanie from DC)
|Zorilla at 2nd, Bartlett at SS for now, replace him with Brignac if necessary, Rodriguez in Z's old gig when he used to back up Aki (with occasional ABs elsewhere) and Joyce in RF. (Marc Normandin)|
|2009-10-13 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Could you rate Dave Dombrowski's job performance since the day after the '08 season ended? Thanks.|
(lemppi from Ankeny, IA)
|The cutoff favors him, since it avoids getting into so many multi-year mistakes as far as big conracts signed before then. Edwin Jackson proved to be a bit of a steal, kicking sand in the face of a stathead community that was falling all over itself to anoint Matt Joyce as the Anointed One. I also tend to be charitable when a GM is willing to reinforce a bid for the brass ring; yes, Washburn and Huff didn't deliver, but Washburn was a good choice. I would have rather seen the Tigers go after and get a quality offensive addition, but that's easier to say than to conjure up, especially when the farm system isn't replete with trade-worthy bits. (Christina Kahrl)|
|2009-10-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)||What do the Rays do, Matt Joyce/Sean Rodriguez/Reid Brignac all have spent more than enough time in AAA and really have nothing to prove. Do the Rays assume that Jason Bartlett's 2009 is nothing more than a "fluke" and shouldn't be expect from here on out? |
(jlarsen from chicago)
|I assume you think that Zobrist will be a 2B, Jake? I'm loathe to offer the Rays any advice, but like the Angels a couple years back, they're going to need to turn minor league talent into major league talent via trade. There's a point where "best available" stops being so good on a talent level, especially with a real issue of payroll and bullpen. (Will Carroll)|
|2009-08-25 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Will the Rays get a nice advantage in the Wild Card race based upon the quality of September callups they can make (Wade Davis, Matt Joyce, maybe Jeremy Hellickson)?|
(achaik from ME)
|Nah. It's nice to have those guys, but no September call-ups play enough to make that big a difference, or at least not predictably so. (And anybody can go .390/.460/.710 for a month.) (Joe Sheehan)|
|2009-08-05 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Hey, Marc! Big fan, with a serious question!
Who do you see having a brighter future, Reddick or Matt Joyce? |
(Suttree from DRays bay)
|I know Joyce has solid defense and a lot of potential with his bat. Reddick is setup the other way, with better D than hitting. Both look like pretty good bets to stick in an outfield for awhile though, and I know Rays fans are really excited about Joyce's ability. (Marc Normandin)|
|2009-04-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)||In your Kazmir article, you mention the possibility of adding a CF so that Upton can make the move to RF. What would this mean for Matt Joyce? Is his future as a DH?|
(aclaykearney from St. Pete, FL)
|Matt Joyce isn't a player who drives decision-making, so what happens to him is something of a tertiary concern. He's a platoon outfielder in the Choo class, someone who can help a team if he gets to play, but no star potential. (Joe Sheehan)|
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