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Career Summary
Years G IP W L SV ERA WARP
25 744 5008.3 355 227 0 3.16 153.1
Birth Date4-14-1966
Height6' 0"
Weight170 lbs
Age51 years, 10 months, 9 days
BatsR
ThrowsR
WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

Historical (past-seasons) WARP is now based on DRA..
cFIP and DRA are not available on a by-team basis and display as zeroes(0). See TOT line for season totals of these stats.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA- WARP
1986 CHN MLB 6 5 31.0 2 4 0 44 11 20 3 .253 107 12.8 3.2 0.9 5.8 62% .376 .288 1.77 3.87 5.52 97 7.33 165.3 -0.7
1987 CHN MLB 30 27 155.7 6 14 0 181 74 101 17 .255 106 10.5 4.3 1.0 5.8 63% .325 .274 1.64 4.49 5.61 98 3.80 79.8 3.4
1988 CHN MLB 34 34 249.0 18 8 0 230 81 140 13 .255 104 8.3 2.9 0.5 5.1 57% .270 .235 1.25 3.34 3.18 93 2.98 71.8 6.1
1989 CHN MLB 35 35 238.3 19 12 0 222 82 135 13 .257 106 8.4 3.1 0.5 5.1 59% .273 .247 1.28 3.34 2.95 92 3.47 83.5 4.4
1990 CHN MLB 35 35 237.0 15 15 0 242 71 144 11 .259 107 9.2 2.7 0.4 5.5 58% .296 .243 1.32 3.14 3.46 81 2.56 59.6 7.4
1991 CHN MLB 37 37 263.0 15 11 0 232 66 198 18 .253 105 7.9 2.3 0.6 6.8 56% .274 .228 1.13 2.99 3.35 71 2.47 57.1 8.6
1992 CHN MLB 35 35 268.0 20 11 0 201 70 199 7 .252 102 6.8 2.4 0.2 6.7 61% .252 .208 1.01 2.56 2.18 70 2.00 48.5 9.7
1993 ATL MLB 36 36 267.0 20 10 0 228 52 197 14 .255 99 7.7 1.8 0.5 6.6 60% .269 .213 1.05 2.83 2.36 70 2.63 56.8 8.9
1994 ATL MLB 25 25 202.0 16 6 0 150 31 156 4 .258 102 6.7 1.4 0.2 7.0 61% .253 .181 0.90 2.32 1.56 65 2.00 40.2 8.6
1995 ATL MLB 28 28 209.7 19 2 0 147 23 181 8 .257 97 6.3 1.0 0.3 7.8 65% .244 .170 0.81 2.22 1.63 53 1.95 39.9 8.9
1996 ATL MLB 35 35 245.0 15 11 0 225 28 172 11 .252 97 8.3 1.0 0.4 6.3 63% .280 .209 1.03 2.64 2.72 71 2.10 41.4 10.4
1997 ATL MLB 33 33 232.7 19 4 0 200 20 177 9 .255 97 7.7 0.8 0.3 6.8 58% .280 .194 0.95 2.39 2.20 71 2.53 52.5 8.5
1998 ATL MLB 34 34 251.0 18 9 0 201 45 204 13 .255 96 7.2 1.6 0.5 7.3 63% .262 .206 0.98 2.73 2.22 77 1.93 40.0 10.9
1999 ATL MLB 33 33 219.3 19 9 0 258 37 136 16 .257 95 10.6 1.5 0.7 5.6 55% .324 .251 1.34 3.34 3.57 97 4.24 82.5 4.7
2000 ATL MLB 35 35 249.3 19 9 0 225 42 190 19 .257 95 8.1 1.5 0.7 6.9 68% .274 .213 1.07 3.14 3.00 79 2.75 52.9 9.2
2001 ATL MLB 34 34 233.0 17 11 0 220 27 173 20 .259 93 8.5 1.0 0.8 6.7 61% .286 .224 1.06 3.07 3.05 86 2.87 59.5 7.5
2002 ATL MLB 34 34 199.3 16 6 0 194 45 118 14 .257 97 8.8 2.0 0.6 5.3 67% .282 .233 1.20 3.34 2.62 98 2.93 63.0 6.0
2003 ATL MLB 36 36 218.3 16 11 0 225 33 124 24 .254 99 9.3 1.4 1.0 5.1 54% .282 .249 1.18 3.83 3.96 94 3.13 65.6 6.3
2004 CHN MLB 33 33 212.7 16 11 0 218 33 151 35 .258 96 9.2 1.4 1.5 6.4 54% .285 .249 1.18 4.26 4.02 98 3.73 77.0 4.8
2005 CHN MLB 35 35 225.0 13 15 0 239 36 136 29 .257 102 9.6 1.4 1.2 5.4 55% .288 .250 1.22 4.02 4.24 100 3.14 67.5 6.0
2006 CHN 0 22 22 136.3 9 11 0 153 23 81 14 .262 97 10.1 1.5 0.9 5.3 52% .306 .252 1.29 3.75 4.69 97 3.26 66.3 3.8
2006 LAN 0 12 12 73.7 6 3 0 66 14 36 6 .264 96 8.1 1.7 0.7 4.4 55% .256 .218 1.09 3.75 3.30 98 3.41 69.4 1.9
2007 SDN MLB 34 34 198.0 14 11 0 221 25 104 14 .254 91 10.0 1.1 0.6 4.7 54% .304 .258 1.24 3.50 4.14 101 3.40 70.4 5.1
2008 LAN 0 7 7 40.7 2 4 0 43 4 18 5 .258 94 9.5 0.9 1.1 4.0 51% .275 .256 1.16 4.18 5.09 109 4.54 96.9 0.5
2008 SDN 0 26 26 153.3 6 9 0 161 26 80 16 .257 89 9.4 1.5 0.9 4.7 51% .284 .254 1.22 4.02 3.99 107 4.34 92.6 2.1
2006 TOT MLB 34 34 210.0 15 14 0 219 37 117 20 .263 97 9.4 1.6 0.9 5.0 53% .289 .241 1.22 3.75 4.20 98 3.31 67.4 5.7
2008 TOT MLB 33 33 194.0 8 13 0 204 30 98 21 .257 90 9.5 1.4 1.0 4.5 51% .282 .254 1.21 4.05 4.22 108 4.38 93.5 2.5
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Statistics for All Levels

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA-
1984 PIK Rk 14 12 85.7 6 2 0 63 41 62 2 .000 6.6 4.3 0.2 6.5 0% .000 .000 1.21 3.55 2.63 0 0.00 0.0
1985 PEO A 27 27 186.0 13 9 0 176 52 125 9 .000 8.5 2.5 0.4 6.0 0% .000 .000 1.23 3.13 3.19 0 0.00 0.0
1986 CHN MLB 6 5 31.0 2 4 0 44 11 20 3 .253 107 12.8 3.2 0.9 5.8 62% .376 .288 1.77 3.87 5.52 97 7.33 165.3
1986 PTS AA 8 8 63.7 4 3 0 49 15 35 1 .000 6.9 2.1 0.1 4.9 0% .000 .000 1.00 2.52 2.68 0 0.00 0.0
1986 IOW AAA 18 18 128.3 10 1 0 127 30 65 3 .000 8.9 2.1 0.2 4.6 0% .000 .000 1.22 3.05 3.02 0 0.00 0.0
1987 CHN MLB 30 27 155.7 6 14 0 181 74 101 17 .255 106 10.5 4.3 1.0 5.8 63% .325 .274 1.64 4.49 5.61 98 3.80 79.8
1987 IOW AAA 4 4 27.7 3 0 0 17 12 22 1 .000 5.5 3.9 0.3 7.1 0% .000 .000 1.05 3.76 0.97 0 0.00 0.0
1988 CHN MLB 34 34 249.0 18 8 0 230 81 140 13 .255 104 8.3 2.9 0.5 5.1 57% .270 .235 1.25 3.34 3.18 93 2.98 71.8
1989 CHN MLB 35 35 238.3 19 12 0 222 82 135 13 .257 106 8.4 3.1 0.5 5.1 59% .273 .247 1.28 3.34 2.95 92 3.47 83.5
1990 CHN MLB 35 35 237.0 15 15 0 242 71 144 11 .259 107 9.2 2.7 0.4 5.5 58% .296 .243 1.32 3.14 3.46 81 2.56 59.6
1991 CHN MLB 37 37 263.0 15 11 0 232 66 198 18 .253 105 7.9 2.3 0.6 6.8 56% .274 .228 1.13 2.99 3.35 71 2.47 57.1
1992 CHN MLB 35 35 268.0 20 11 0 201 70 199 7 .252 102 6.8 2.4 0.2 6.7 61% .252 .208 1.01 2.56 2.18 70 2.00 48.5
1993 ATL MLB 36 36 267.0 20 10 0 228 52 197 14 .255 99 7.7 1.8 0.5 6.6 60% .269 .213 1.05 2.83 2.36 70 2.63 56.8
1994 ATL MLB 25 25 202.0 16 6 0 150 31 156 4 .258 102 6.7 1.4 0.2 7.0 61% .253 .181 0.90 2.32 1.56 65 2.00 40.2
1995 ATL MLB 28 28 209.7 19 2 0 147 23 181 8 .257 97 6.3 1.0 0.3 7.8 65% .244 .170 0.81 2.22 1.63 53 1.95 39.9
1996 ATL MLB 35 35 245.0 15 11 0 225 28 172 11 .252 97 8.3 1.0 0.4 6.3 63% .280 .209 1.03 2.64 2.72 71 2.10 41.4
1997 ATL MLB 33 33 232.7 19 4 0 200 20 177 9 .255 97 7.7 0.8 0.3 6.8 58% .280 .194 0.95 2.39 2.20 71 2.53 52.5
1998 ATL MLB 34 34 251.0 18 9 0 201 45 204 13 .255 96 7.2 1.6 0.5 7.3 63% .262 .206 0.98 2.73 2.22 77 1.93 40.0
1999 ATL MLB 33 33 219.3 19 9 0 258 37 136 16 .257 95 10.6 1.5 0.7 5.6 55% .324 .251 1.34 3.34 3.57 97 4.24 82.5
2000 ATL MLB 35 35 249.3 19 9 0 225 42 190 19 .257 95 8.1 1.5 0.7 6.9 68% .274 .213 1.07 3.14 3.00 79 2.75 52.9
2001 ATL MLB 34 34 233.0 17 11 0 220 27 173 20 .259 93 8.5 1.0 0.8 6.7 61% .286 .224 1.06 3.07 3.05 86 2.87 59.5
2002 ATL MLB 34 34 199.3 16 6 0 194 45 118 14 .257 97 8.8 2.0 0.6 5.3 67% .282 .233 1.20 3.34 2.62 98 2.93 63.0
2003 ATL MLB 36 36 218.3 16 11 0 225 33 124 24 .254 99 9.3 1.4 1.0 5.1 54% .282 .249 1.18 3.83 3.96 94 3.13 65.6
2004 CHN MLB 33 33 212.7 16 11 0 218 33 151 35 .258 96 9.2 1.4 1.5 6.4 54% .285 .249 1.18 4.26 4.02 98 3.73 77.0
2005 CHN MLB 35 35 225.0 13 15 0 239 36 136 29 .257 102 9.6 1.4 1.2 5.4 55% .288 .250 1.22 4.02 4.24 100 3.14 67.5
2006 CHN MLB 22 22 136.3 9 11 0 153 23 81 14 .262 97 10.1 1.5 0.9 5.3 52% .306 .252 1.29 3.75 4.69 97 3.26 66.3
2006 LAN MLB 12 12 73.7 6 3 0 66 14 36 6 .264 96 8.1 1.7 0.7 4.4 55% .256 .218 1.09 3.75 3.30 98 3.41 69.4
2007 SDN MLB 34 34 198.0 14 11 0 221 25 104 14 .254 91 10.0 1.1 0.6 4.7 54% .304 .258 1.24 3.50 4.14 101 3.40 70.4
2008 LAN MLB 7 7 40.7 2 4 0 43 4 18 5 .258 94 9.5 0.9 1.1 4.0 51% .275 .256 1.16 4.18 5.09 109 4.54 96.9
2008 SDN MLB 26 26 153.3 6 9 0 161 26 80 16 .257 89 9.4 1.5 0.9 4.7 51% .284 .254 1.22 4.02 3.99 107 4.34 92.6

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT
2008 2494 0.5646 0.4751 0.8675 0.6286 0.2762 0.9141 0.7300 0.1325
Career24940.56460.47510.86750.62860.27620.91410.730.1325

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2002-03-26 2002-04-12 15-DL 17 10 Low Back Nerve Injury Nerves -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2008 SDN $10,000,000
2007 SDN $10,000,000
2006 LAN $9,000,000
2006 CHN $9,000,000
2005 CHN $9,000,000
2004 CHN $6,000,000
2003 ATL $14,750,000
2002 ATL $13,100,000
2001 ATL $12,500,000
2000 ATL $11,100,000
YearsDescriptionSalary
9 yrPrevious$104,450,000
9 yrTotal$104,450,000

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
22 y 21 dScott Boras

Details
  • 1 year/$10M (2008). Re-signed by San Diego 11/19/07. No-trade protection. Award bonuses: $0.1M for Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for MVP ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for WS MVP. $50,000 each for All Star selection, Gold Glove or LCS MVP. $25,000 for Silver Slugger. Perks: suite on road, membership at Del Mar Country Club. Acquired by LA Dodgers in trade from San Diego 8/19/08.
  • 1 year/$10M (2007), plus 2008 options. Signed by San Diego as a free agent 12/06. 07:$10M, 08:$6M player option or $11M club option. 2008 player option may increase to: $7.5M with 170 IP in 2007, $8.75M with 185 IP in 2007, or $10M with 200 IP in 2007. No-trade protection. Award bonuses: $0.1M for Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for MVP ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for WS MVP. $50,000 each for All Star selection, Gold Glove or LCS MVP. $25,000 for Silver Slugger. Perks: suite on road, membership at Del Mar Country Club.
  • 3 years/$24M (2004-06). Signed by Chicago Cubs as a free agent 3/04. 04:$6M, 05:$9M, 06:$9M. Club may void 2006 if Maddux does not post 400 IP in 2004-05. Acquired by LA Dodgers in trade from Chicago Cubs 7/06 (Cubs paying Dodgers $2M as part of deal).
  • 1 year/$14.75M (2003). Re-signed by Atlanta 2/03 (avoided arbitration, $16M-$13.5M).
  • 5 years/$57.5M (1998-2002). Signed extension with Atlanta 8/97. $3M signing bonus. 98:$9M, 99:$10M, 00:$10.5M, 01:$12.5M, 02:$12.5M.
  • 5 years/$28M (1993-97) Signed by Atlanta as a free agent 12/92. $2.5M signing bonus. 93:$5M, 94:$3.5M, 95:$5M, 96:$6M, 97:$6M. Average salary of $5.6M/year was a record at time of signing.
  • 1 year/$4.2M (1992). Re-signed by Chicago Cubs 1/92 (avoided arbitration, $4.4M-$3.65M).
  • 1 year/$2.4M (1991). Signed extension with Chicago Cubs 3/90. $25,000 in bonuses.
  • 2 years/$0.7125M (1989-90). Signed extension with Chicago Cubs 1/89 (avoided arbitration). 89:$0.275M, 90:$0.4375M.
  • 1 year/$82,500 (1988). Signed by Chicago Cubs 2/88.
  • Drafted by Chicago Cubs 1984 (2-31) (Valley HS, Las Vegas).

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DateQuestionAnswer
2017-09-28 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which Braves pitcher has the highest upside ?
(Jason from Charlotte)
Greg Maddux.

I dunno, man. I can tell you who intrigues me the most, just because of the narrative around them selecting him at the time and his pro success to date. That's Ian Anderson. But I'll leave questions of the absolute highest ceiling to our prospect gurus. (Matthew Trueblood)
2017-09-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)What's your best moment of seeing a prospect or young player and having him jump out at you, to where you think "Yeah, I get it. This guy is a stud."
(jfegan from Chicago, IL)
This is a terrible answer and not at all what you're looking for, but I always remember going to Felix Pie's major league debut at Wrigley back in 2007. He doubled off of Greg Maddux and threw out a runner at home on an absolutle laser in the 10th inning to keep the game tied. Also, I was way wrong, so maybe I don't actually know anything.

OK more recent ... I went to Willie Calhoun's second game in Round Rock after coming over in the Yu Darvish trade. His first PA he destroyed a Chad Bettis pitch for an oppo dinger. That power is so legit. I just hope he can find a position to stay on the field. (Collin Whitchurch)
2016-11-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)If #BigSexy were a 21-year-old in Double-A but had the same command and movement, where would he have ranked on the Braves' top 10?
(ssimon from Pelham, N.Y.)
So this is the ol' "you can't comp Greg Maddux" problem. "Good" command guys sitting 86-89 with no secondaries are not uncommon in the minors and usually don't even get to Double-A. So basically you need to be confident that your 21-year-old has elite command and two-seam movement. Bartolo wasn't even close to that guy at 21. There is an argument that kind of stuff only comes after twenty years. (Jeffrey Paternostro)
2016-06-13 23:00:00 (link to chat)Do you think Schwarber could be on Babe Ruth's level? Almora like a Ricky Henderson type? Pierce Johnson like a Greg Maddux. I really like these comps.
(BC from Urbandale)
Sure, why not. Year a the Cubs, baby. (Wilson Karaman)
2015-09-30 19:00:00 (link to chat)What are some of your least favorite MLB players that people try to make comps to? Not like Mike Trout, or Clayton Kershaw, where the prospect simply can't be anywhere near as good, but they are comparing prospect to unicorns, such as when every command/control guy with low whiffs is Mark Buehrle. This is rambling. I'm sorry, Mau.
(James Fegan from Elkhart, IN)
First the good James question.

I know it's not technically what you were asking but I hate it when a right handed dude with solid average to plus command who throws in the 89-91 range gets comp'd to Greg Maddux. Everyone has this warped idea of what Maddux was and it needs to stop. I'm sick of it!

The Baez-Sheffield comps were both irresponsible and irksome when people couldn't properly separate the swing comp to the actual player skills.

And yeah the MB comps are tiresome as well. Comps on twitter are generally awful. (Mauricio Rubio)
2015-02-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)Most difficult pitcher to analyze from a PITCHf/x perspective?
(DBITLefty from Floating )
Trevor Bauer, too many offspeed pitches.
Odrisamer Despaigne, too many arm angles.
Greg Maddux, was just a cloud.
Yu Darvish, similar to Bauer but with more varieties in more places. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-04-04 11:00:00 (link to chat)When teams designate legends as special assistants (take the Rangers with Greg Maddux, Tony Fernandez, and Pudge Rodriguez) do you think it's more on the basis of projecting their ability to instruct, or for their value in giving prospects someone to look up to and strive to emulate?
(Or from Denton)
I think it can have several benefits. Obviously, giving a young prospect the opportunity to stand on the same field and receive instruction from a giant at that position carries a lot of weight. I've seen Alfaro around Pudge; Sardinas around Fernandez; Martin Perez around Greg Maddux. It means something to the kids. The other major positive is that these guys are also good teachers. That's not true of every former player or every special assistant, but the ones I just mentioned know how to listen and they know how to express themselves without getting overly didactic or alienating non-hall of fame level talent. I cant stress how great this is for the players. They might be on the field, but at heart they are just fans of the game as well, and when Greg Maddux gives you pointers about a grip or a few thoughts about a release, you listen and you love every minute of it. (Jason Parks)
2013-03-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)Who is the best current pitching coach and why?
(Rice Cube from Chicago)
Greg Maddux, Team USA. Because he's Greg Maddux. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-03-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hi, thanks for the chat. Who have you seen that may not have the best "stuff" but finds success because of really good at sequencing?
(The Shoe from Marvin Gardens)
Ted Lilly pops to mind. You can even point to late career Greg Maddux. I suspect it's a common trait with veteran guys, and a good research idea. We'll touch on this point a couple more times based on the questions in the queue. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-02-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you see out of Medlen in 2013? He seems to be one of the most polarizing players this draft season after his Greg Maddux impersonation in the summer of 2012
(Doug from Brooklyn)
I like Medlen. Not to keep up the Maddux act, but to be a solid mid-rotation guy. I was actually surprised by how optimistic PECOTA was: projected to be the 22nd-best pitcher, by WARP. (Ben Lindbergh)
2012-10-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)Professor Parks, With the season-long hubub of Stephen Strasburg's successful return from injury, I recall the sad case of Mark Prior and his derailed career. The popular party line when Prior was actually a good pitcher was that "all the scouts say he has perfect mechanics". Now that he's been released from his 5th (?) organization, there are plenty of people who look back and readily point out some pretty substantial problems with Prior's mechanics. Problems that, you would think, are now so obvious that it's curious that anyone at the time would have claimed Prior was so mechanically sound when he was not. So this begs a couple of questions. Did we all just hear what we wanted to hear and nobody who really mattered in baseball was actually saying that Prior's mechanics were sound? Or did scouts and industry professionals really just miss the mark so badly? Or is the truth somewhere in the middle, and the consensus in the industry is that Prior was in the same boat as many other pitchers in having a few flaws, but they didn't want to change him (because that's easier said than done) and he was just unlucky in being hit hard by the same injury bug that gets many other pitchers? And lastly, are there any lessons in the Prior story that can be applied to Strasburg? Maybe the lesson with him is that few people not named Greg Maddux have perfect mechanics, lots of pitchers get hurt, and we need to stop freaking out about them before or after the fact?
(Erik from Longwood, FL)
Every pitcher is different. You can look at bad mechanics and raise the red flag, and then watch that pitcher throw 200 innings a year without an issue. Arm injuries happen, and pitchers break for a variety of reasons, and more often than not, our injury projections aren't on the same level as our tool projections. It has to be player specific. Some pitchers just make it work, while others can look clean and effortless and then the arm explodes and lands in the fourth row on the lap of a crying child. What caused it? Was it bad mechanics after all? Was it the result of overwork? I'm not fond of the mechanical revisionists who cry foul after the fact. It's easy to be right when you don't have to worry about being wrong. (Jason Parks)
2012-02-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Any chance Derek Jeter or Greg Maddux gets 100% of the HOF vote on his first try?
(Bobby from New York)
No, because there still exists a small handful of clowns who insist upon sending back blank ballots in general protest of the steroid era. This is akin to a grown-ass man throwing himself down in the middle of the supermarket aisle to protest mommy not buying him sugar cereal when he was a kid. (Jay Jaffe)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hey Jay - Do you feel that the Hall of Fame will start to give guidelines to the voters sooner rather than later when it comes to steroids? I have seen comments regarding how quickly Bagwell shrunk in size as to why someone was not going to vote for him (Chicago Tribune). As Phil Rogers says, 580+ writers, 580+ opinions on the matter. Thanks
(Brian from Tinley Park)
Good question. I think we're years away from that, because while there are several candidates about to hit the ballot whose careers have been linked to PED use, there are also a bunch of milestone candidates whose elections are a virtual lock. Even without Barry Bonds and Roger Clmeens, you'll still have Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson and Craig Biggio on that score, as well as solid candidates without the milestones OR PED connections such as John Smoltz and Curt Schilling. I think we're years away before the Hall feels a need to interject itself into the debate on the guideline grounds. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Most likely to break 1st year ballot vote percentage record: Jeter or Mariano?
(tommybones from brooklyn)
Tough call. I'd bet both are high 90s but that Greg Maddux tops either; Jeter's defense and Mariano's relief role will keep a few voters away. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2011-05-12 13:00:00 (link to chat)How DOES Shawn Marcum work? Its bizarre that someone who doesn't break 90 on a radar gun gets those Ks. Is it sustainable?
(WisconsinRob from Madison)
I sure hope so. Theoretically, at least, a sub-90 mph pitcher can sustainably strike players out with smart sequencing, good pitches, and good accuracy. Trevor Hoffman, Jamie Moyer, Greg Maddux, etc... Whether Marcum continues to do that is tough to say. He's done a remarkable job of keeping it up since last year, though. I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to do so. (Larry Granillo)
2011-04-18 13:00:00 (link to chat)Can you compare Greg Maddux to Jamie Moyer?
(Jeff from Eh...)
Bo Jackson has better tools. (Kevin Goldstein)
2010-12-07 13:00:00 (link to chat)There was interesting article I believe in FanGraphs on the decline of Greinke. That it's not just an off year. Thoughts? I watch him and his stuff, arsenal of pitches, and approach to pitching, I'm blown away. I see a guy i'd want more than Felix. Am I hallucinating?
(SK from DC)
Greinke's command was a little off this year on all of his pitches. He still had his control, he just didn't fool hitters as much with it, hence fewer strikeouts. Without the extra-special command, he's still great, he's just not Greg Maddux. There is no shame in being Greg Maddux Lite. (Marc Normandin)
2010-03-24 11:00:00 (link to chat)So if the qualities of Colby Lewis' pitches are nothing special, what's made him able to dominate hitters in Japan? Presumably that's a skill hitters aren't used to seeing over there, but isn't special in MLB. Identifying those specific factors could be valuable to both MLB teams and Japanese teams. Heck, maybe Matsuzaka's struggled with the same thing -- he can throw many decent pitches but without any one that's great.
(Sky from The Roc, NY)
One way to look at it is by analogy to pinpoint control guys who struggle when they hit the majors. Lewis had a (filthy) 369/49 K/BB ratio in two season in Japan. He walked 19 guys last year. That just isn't realistic in the major leagues, because if you left that many low-90s fastballs in the zone, American League hitters would eat your lunch. *Unless you're Greg Maddux, and he isn't. (Tommy Bennett)
2009-12-29 15:00:00 (link to chat)When eligible Greg Maddux will receive ___% of the vote for the Hall of Fame.
(paulbellows from Calgary)
99.3%. There's always someone.

Here's my problem: if you're a "no first ballot" guy, you've never gotten to vote for some of the greatest players in history. There's a guy out there who never voted for Rickey, Cal, et al, and to me, that's just sad. It would be an honor to vote for a player like that. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-10-13 14:00:00 (link to chat)Your thoughts on Jair Jurrjens' future please.
(Frug from UIUC)
There were some who thought his 2008 season would be his best; obviously, he chose to disagree. He suffers from some of the biases against "short" right-handers, and he isn't throwing any harder. Still, he outperformed Lowe (and Kawakami). It seems crazy that even before this season, two of his top comps were Greg Maddux and Dave Stieb, two of the best "short" right-handers of the past generation. It also suggests how extraordinary Jurrjens already is, which is where all the doubt comes from. Could he really be that good? I don't think we can say yes or no with anything like the same sort of authority as we can with more typical players. I'd take my chances with him, certainly. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-10-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)So how good is Porcello, now that he's shown he can strike guys out when needed?
(Wendy from Madrid)
Do I need to write an article comparing him to Greg Maddux every six weeks? I love the guy. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-10-05 16:00:00 (link to chat)In what year do you think HOF voting will be "correct" in terms of who gets in (i.e. 98 of 100 or so of the inductees are actually deserving)? Will it have to wait for the fan base to be better versed in statistics?
(Tony from Brooklyn, NY)
The first thing that needs to happen is for people who won't vote based on dumb principles like players not ratting on others who took steroids to not have their votes anymore. Or for people who forget to vote for deserving players or neglect to include them because "they'll get in anyway" to lose their voting rights. If Greg Maddux is not a 100% unanimous choice... if Pedro Martinez is not 100%... if Randy Johnson is not 100%... etc. (Eric Seidman)
2009-09-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)Eric, what team do you root for and who was your favorite player as a kid?
(Tex Premium Lager from NJ)
Phillies. Greg Maddux is and always will be my favorite baseball player. (Eric Seidman)
2009-06-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hey Will. Do you have any idea what Jose Contreras did during his demotion to AAA Charlotte to transform himself into 1995 Greg Maddux?
(Phil S. from NJ)
No, and things like this are a great mystery. Teams credit their minor league coaches about as often as Apple credits an engineer. (Will Carroll)
2009-06-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)He went on strike, but isn't Greg Maddux the next test case?
(Jon from DC)
No, because he went on strike. I don't remember which guy(s), but at least one voter is on record as saying he'll never vote for a player who went on strike. Jeter doesn't have that. He doesn't have PEDs. He is fully qualified even noting the defense. He's visible and popular and nice. If he's not unanimous, the guy who leaves him off is showboating, plain and simple. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-06-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)Mussina won 20 last year. I think that gets him over the hump. I think people tend to lump him in with the Greg Maddux's of the world. Maybe not a first balloter, but I think he's a certainty.
(shamah from NYC)
I'm aware of that. He's still the "almost" guy.

I like Mike Mussina as much as anyone, and I'll tell you right now that no one on this planet lumps him in with "the Greg Maddux's of the world." Nor should they. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-06-05 15:30:00 (link to chat)Eric, on your IMDB page it says you haven't missed a 76ers game in years. Might we see you write for Basketball Prospectus?
(Jay from SD)
One of my goals for 2009 was to get more in tune with advanced basketball analysis. It hasn't happened yet for lack of time but I think it would be fun to compare my scouting eyes from watching so much over the years to what the numbers say. With baseball, I tend to only watch the Phillies, Greg Maddux, Matt Cain, and the 5 innings of Javier Vazquez before he implodes. With the NBA, I could watch a Grizzlies-Wizards game and be entertained. (Eric Seidman)
2009-06-05 15:30:00 (link to chat)Thanks for answering my question. What's your take on the not-so-great reputation of Phillies fans? Do you think it's deserved/accurate or overblown? You don't hear the same thing about other East Coast teams in the area (Orioles, Mets, Yankees, Pirates), so I'm curious if this a matter of perception vs. reality.
(David S from Oakland)
It's odd... in many cases it is overblown. For instance, Phillies fans went crazy for Ken Griffey, Jr last year when he came to town with 599 HR, giving him these loud standing ovations every time he came up and every time he went back to the dugout. They also gave Greg Maddux a loud ovation when he left a game, because even though he was a rival for about 13 years, they understood how special of a player they got to see. They even cheered Pat Burrell on when he was struggling in 2003, hoping it might get him out of it. But then again there are certainly knuckleheads, like in any city, who seem to remember one thing about a player and assign that characteristic no matter what. (Eric Seidman)
2009-01-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jeff Kent - Hall of famer?
(leitch71 from Baltimore)
I'm considering taking up this question -- and that of other recent retirees like Greg Maddux and Mike Mussina -- for my next piece, so I'll withhold comment until then.

Apologies for the technical difficulties thus far. The epically slow load times I'm experiencing on this end have me needing to reset the chat. Back momentarily... (Jay Jaffe)
2008-10-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)While I admire the Rays' long term plan and also recognize that this idea may be impossible financially, similar to how the Braves signed Greg Maddux prior to the 1993 season, I am intrigued by the idea of the Rays signing CC Sabbathia this offseason. What do you think?
(Brent from Raleigh)
It's an interesting thought, and who's to say it couldn't happen, but I think they are probably pretty set in the rotation and focused on continuing to build from within rather than making that huge signing. If you figure that Price slots into the rotation next year, that's Shields, Kazmir, Garza, Price, and Sonnanstine, with Jeff Niemann and Edwin Jackson as insurance. Of course, injuries could upset that, and you can never have too much starting pitching, but I think the Rays will probably focus on offense. Remember, they were second in the AL in run prevention this year, but only ninth in runs scored. I would think they might look at getting another outfield bat for right field/DH, and as more insurance in case Baldelli is unable to play a full season again. (Caleb Peiffer)
2008-10-06 14:00:00 (link to chat)Okay, to take Pete from Boston's question to the next level... will we ever have a unanimous first ballot hall of famer? I know there are some who refuse to vote for anyone from the steroid era... but that era has passed. So perhaps Evan Longoria? Madison Baumgarner?
(Nick from Chicago)
There are actually some who refuse to vote for any player who went on strike, so you need someone who's career started in 1995 or later. I don't think anyone has said they wouldn't vote for anyone from the steroid era, and in fact, I've heard more the opposite--we can't know who did what, so it's unfair to punish only a few.

Jeter is the obvious choice. Greg Maddux before him, I guess, will be a test. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-08-01 14:00:00 (link to chat)Jay, what do you see happening over the waiver wires in the next month? And can I still dump Jack Wilson for more prospects, or do I need to wait until the winter?
(NealH from Pittsburgh, PA)
I have it on good authority that Jeff Conine will come out of retirement for the express purpose of being included in a waiver deal.

Beyond that I think we can expect to see action on some of the aforementioned Mariners, maybe some junk from the Orioles (Millar, Payton, Mora, Huff) or the Giants (Aurilia, Winn). Paul Byrd, Greg Maddux, maybe either Pierre or Andruw if the Dodgers are willing to eat a whole lot of salary.
Jack Wilson can probably be dumped for prospects if you're willing to eat salary, but given what he's locked in for ($6.5M this year, $7.25M in 2009, $8.4M/0.6M club option in 2010) I don't think he's all that appealing or will draw much in the way of prospects. Thank your predecessor once again. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-07-29 16:00:00 (link to chat)Padres trade: Adrian Gonzalez, Greg Maddux, Heath Bell Yankees send: Austin Jackson, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, Cano and a throw-in of Kei Igawa
(dcoonce from bloomington, indiana)
You've been at Nick's early, haven't you? (Will Carroll)
2008-07-25 14:00:00 (link to chat)Loved your recent articles on santana. The other day my friend said he was having a bad year, when I asked how he came to that conclusion his response was "his era is in the threes." (its 3.05). Let me just say I now completely understand why some people may consider you a bit hawkish, my response used worse language than I have ever heard you use. Has there ever been another multiple cy young award winner that somehow managed to become underrated?
(kevin from boston)
Greg Maddux. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-05-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)Halladay has always been known for having some pretty good stuff as well as great control. He's kind of reminded me of Greg Maddux with a fastball. So his drop in strikeouts the past couple of years concerned me. Why have his strikeouts increased this year? What is he doing differently?
(Wendy from Madrid)
I'm not sure--probably just a random fluctuation. Unless you can divine something from his pitch data: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1303&position=P (Caleb Peiffer)
2008-03-11 12:00:00 (link to chat)What do you expect out of Chien-Min-Wang this year and for the future, it seems like we may have already seen his best pitching.
(SnakeDoctor18 from Washington DC)
There's an upper bound on how good a pitcher with his contact rate can be, so I'd agree with the idea. It's always possible that he'll end up in front of some terrific defense, in which case he could post an ERA in the 2.50 range. He never gives up homers and doesn't walk people; take away the hits, and you have Greg Maddux just outside of his peak. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-03-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)I think it's unfair to label Randy Johnson a "freak show". Roger Clemens had a freakishly powerful and durable arm; Greg Maddux had a freakish ability to locate a pitch. To be that good one has to have some "freak" in their DNA.
(havybeaks from Michigan)
That wasn't meant to be derogatory at all. Most major leaguers are freak shows in that their skill sets are so incredibly rare that the average major leaguer is worth a couple million dollars a year, and the best of them are worth upwards of $20 million at their peak.

At those prices, i wish I could get my freak on.

Ok folks, I'm going to take one more question.... (Jay Jaffe)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2010-10-06 10:00:002010 Playoffs Day One"Paul (Drexel Hill): Gentlemen, prepare to watch the best pitcher of our generation work his magic. Sit back and enjoy."

Honest question, but how do we quantify our generation? Does this current generation include Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clemens?

Halladay is a good one, but he's definitely in their rear-view mirrors. (Brandon Warne)
2010-10-06 10:00:002010 Playoffs Day One"Paul (Drexel Hill): Gentlemen, prepare to watch the best pitcher of our generation work his magic. Sit back and enjoy."

Honest question, but how do we quantify our generation? Does this current generation include Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clemens?

Halladay is a good one, but he's definitely in their rear-view mirrors. (Brandon Warne)
2009-10-16 13:00:00NLCS Game Two/ALCS Game OneA year out of date, but compare the peak scores of these then-active pitchers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7451

Roger Clemens: 83.9
Greg Maddux 86/0
Randy Johnson 77.3
Pedro Martinez 68.8
Curt Schilling 65.9
Mike Mussina 64.3
Tom Glavine 63.7
John Smoltz 58.5
Avg HoF SP 67.2
(Jay Jaffe)
 

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