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Years | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | DRC+ | WARP |
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21 | 8129 | .266 | .353 | .515 | 131 | 48.2 |
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YEAR | TEAM | AGE | G | PA | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | SO | HBP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | DRC+ | DRAA | BRR | FRAA | BWARP |
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1985 | OAK | 20 | 29 | 100 | 29 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 4 | 31 | 0 | 1 | 1 | .302 | .330 | .490 | 89 | -1.0 | -0.4 | 0.2 | 0.1 |
1986 | OAK | 21 | 157 | 682 | 144 | 29 | 1 | 33 | 65 | 175 | 8 | 15 | 7 | .240 | .318 | .457 | 120 | 17.0 | 0.5 | -11.2 | 2.1 |
1987 | OAK | 22 | 159 | 691 | 162 | 35 | 3 | 31 | 50 | 157 | 2 | 15 | 3 | .257 | .310 | .470 | 102 | 1.9 | -0.3 | 9.3 | 2.5 |
1988 | OAK | 23 | 158 | 705 | 187 | 34 | 0 | 42 | 78 | 128 | 10 | 40 | 16 | .307 | .391 | .569 | 172 | 56.3 | 4.4 | 9.2 | 8.8 |
1989 | OAK | 24 | 65 | 258 | 61 | 9 | 1 | 17 | 23 | 69 | 2 | 6 | 3 | .269 | .333 | .542 | 140 | 12.0 | 1.7 | 6.2 | 2.6 |
1990 | OAK | 25 | 131 | 563 | 132 | 14 | 2 | 37 | 72 | 158 | 5 | 19 | 10 | .274 | .371 | .543 | 153 | 33.8 | 2.5 | 4.2 | 5.2 |
1991 | OAK | 26 | 154 | 665 | 152 | 32 | 1 | 44 | 78 | 152 | 9 | 26 | 6 | .266 | .359 | .556 | 150 | 39.5 | 4.3 | 0.6 | 5.8 |
1992 | OAK | 27 | 97 | 421 | 90 | 11 | 0 | 22 | 48 | 104 | 3 | 5 | 7 | .246 | .335 | .456 | 129 | 14.7 | 1.1 | 4.1 | 2.9 |
1992 | TEX | 27 | 22 | 91 | 17 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 15 | 24 | 3 | 1 | 0 | .233 | .385 | .452 | 127 | 3.0 | 0.5 | 1.3 | 0.7 |
1993 | TEX | 28 | 60 | 253 | 59 | 14 | 1 | 10 | 16 | 62 | 3 | 6 | 6 | .255 | .308 | .455 | 94 | -1.1 | -0.3 | -0.7 | 0.2 |
1994 | TEX | 29 | 111 | 505 | 121 | 19 | 2 | 31 | 69 | 114 | 5 | 15 | 8 | .282 | .386 | .552 | 145 | 31.5 | -0.6 | 0.0 | 3.5 |
1995 | BOS | 30 | 102 | 450 | 121 | 25 | 1 | 24 | 42 | 93 | 7 | 4 | 0 | .306 | .378 | .556 | 129 | 17.9 | -0.8 | -0.1 | 2.1 |
1996 | BOS | 31 | 96 | 432 | 104 | 22 | 1 | 28 | 63 | 82 | 6 | 3 | 1 | .289 | .400 | .589 | 144 | 27.2 | 0.2 | -1.2 | 3.0 |
1997 | OAK | 32 | 108 | 446 | 91 | 19 | 0 | 23 | 51 | 122 | 3 | 8 | 2 | .235 | .325 | .461 | 109 | 7.0 | 0.2 | -3.9 | 0.9 |
1998 | TOR | 33 | 151 | 658 | 138 | 26 | 0 | 46 | 65 | 159 | 6 | 29 | 17 | .237 | .318 | .518 | 121 | 19.0 | -2.8 | -4.0 | 2.1 |
1999 | TBA | 34 | 113 | 502 | 120 | 18 | 1 | 34 | 58 | 135 | 7 | 3 | 0 | .279 | .369 | .563 | 133 | 24.7 | 2.0 | 0.2 | 2.9 |
2000 | NYA | 35 | 37 | 137 | 27 | 3 | 0 | 6 | 23 | 37 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .243 | .365 | .432 | 116 | 3.9 | 0.2 | -0.3 | 0.5 |
2000 | TBA | 35 | 61 | 264 | 56 | 15 | 0 | 9 | 41 | 65 | 4 | 2 | 0 | .257 | .383 | .450 | 117 | 7.8 | -1.5 | 0.0 | 0.9 |
2001 | CHA | 36 | 76 | 306 | 66 | 8 | 0 | 16 | 45 | 75 | 1 | 2 | 1 | .258 | .366 | .477 | 121 | 9.9 | 0.8 | -0.2 | 1.4 |
Career | 1887 | 8129 | 1877 | 340 | 14 | 462 | 906 | 1942 | 84 | 200 | 88 | .266 | .353 | .515 | 131 | 325.4 | 11.6 | 13.8 | 48.2 |
YEAR | Team | Lg | LG | G | PA | oppAVG | oppOBP | oppSLG | BABIP | BPF | BRAA | repLVL | POS_ADJ | DRC+ | DRC+ SD | FRAA | BRR | DRAA | BWARP |
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1982 | MIA | A+ | FSL | 6 | 10 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .167 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1982 | IDA | Rk | PIO | 28 | 66 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .310 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1983 | MAD | A | MDW | 34 | 100 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .224 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1983 | MDF | A- | NWN | 59 | 233 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .389 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1984 | MOD | A+ | CLF | 116 | 500 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .362 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1985 | OAK | MLB | AL | 29 | 100 | .265 | .326 | .410 | .400 | 92 | 4.8 | 2.7 | -0.8 | 89 | 21 | 0.2 | -0.4 | -1.0 | 0.1 |
1985 | HUN | AA | SOU | 58 | 251 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .321 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1985 | TAC | AAA | PCL | 60 | 277 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .449 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1986 | OAK | MLB | AL | 157 | 682 | .261 | .326 | .407 | .277 | 96 | 16.3 | 18.9 | -5.2 | 120 | 6 | -11.2 | 0.5 | 17.0 | 2.1 |
1987 | OAK | MLB | AL | 159 | 691 | .267 | .333 | .430 | .290 | 95 | 6.9 | 20.4 | -6.4 | 102 | 7 | 9.3 | -0.3 | 1.9 | 2.5 |
1988 | OAK | MLB | AL | 158 | 705 | .263 | .326 | .397 | .325 | 95 | 62.9 | 18.5 | -7.3 | 172 | 7 | 9.2 | 4.4 | 56.3 | 8.8 |
1989 | OAK | MLB | AL | 65 | 258 | .258 | .322 | .378 | .299 | 96 | 16.1 | 6.7 | -2.6 | 140 | 14 | 6.2 | 1.7 | 12.0 | 2.6 |
1989 | HUN | AA | SOU | 9 | 34 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .333 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1990 | OAK | MLB | AL | 131 | 563 | .265 | .330 | .395 | .326 | 94 | 42.7 | 15.1 | -6.9 | 153 | 12 | 4.2 | 2.5 | 33.8 | 5.2 |
1991 | OAK | MLB | AL | 154 | 665 | .258 | .324 | .391 | .283 | 97 | 43 | 18.0 | -7.4 | 150 | 9 | 0.6 | 4.3 | 39.5 | 5.8 |
1992 | OAK | MLB | AL | 97 | 421 | .263 | .329 | .392 | .279 | 97 | 11.7 | 10.9 | -4.7 | 129 | 9 | 4.1 | 1.1 | 14.7 | 2.9 |
1992 | TEX | MLB | AL | 22 | 91 | .248 | .314 | .364 | .289 | 100 | 3.4 | 2.4 | -1.1 | 127 | 9 | 1.3 | 0.5 | 3.0 | 0.7 |
1993 | TEX | MLB | AL | 60 | 253 | .270 | .334 | .415 | .302 | 99 | 1.2 | 7.3 | -3 | 94 | 16 | -0.7 | -0.3 | -1.1 | 0.2 |
1994 | TEX | MLB | AL | 111 | 505 | .270 | .343 | .425 | .315 | 100 | 24.8 | 15.3 | -9.8 | 145 | 10 | 0.0 | -0.6 | 31.5 | 3.5 |
1995 | BOS | MLB | AL | 102 | 450 | .273 | .343 | .436 | .342 | 103 | 23.3 | 13.5 | -8.6 | 129 | 11 | -0.1 | -0.8 | 17.9 | 2.1 |
1995 | PAW | AAA | INT | 2 | 8 | .000 | .000 | .000 | 1.000 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1996 | BOS | MLB | AL | 96 | 432 | .278 | .349 | .444 | .300 | 105 | 29.2 | 13.4 | -7.9 | 144 | 9 | -1.2 | 0.2 | 27.2 | 3.0 |
1996 | PAW | AAA | INT | 2 | 5 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .500 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
1997 | OAK | MLB | AL | 108 | 446 | .268 | .339 | .424 | .275 | 101 | -1.5 | 12.3 | -6.5 | 109 | 11 | -3.9 | 0.2 | 7.0 | 0.9 |
1998 | TOR | MLB | AL | 151 | 658 | .269 | .335 | .426 | .241 | 94 | 17.9 | 17.9 | -9.2 | 121 | 12 | -4.0 | -2.8 | 19.0 | 2.1 |
1999 | TBA | MLB | AL | 113 | 502 | .276 | .344 | .441 | .321 | 97 | 25.6 | 14.0 | -9.7 | 133 | 14 | 0.2 | 2.0 | 24.7 | 2.9 |
2000 | NYA | MLB | AL | 37 | 137 | .277 | .347 | .440 | .296 | 85 | 5.4 | 4.3 | -2.4 | 116 | 10 | -0.3 | 0.2 | 3.9 | 0.5 |
2000 | TBA | MLB | AL | 61 | 264 | .273 | .343 | .438 | .324 | 86 | 12.8 | 8.3 | -5.3 | 117 | 10 | 0.0 | -1.5 | 7.8 | 0.9 |
2001 | CHA | MLB | AL | 76 | 306 | .268 | .335 | .432 | .296 | 102 | 7.1 | 9.1 | -5.7 | 121 | 11 | -0.2 | 0.8 | 9.9 | 1.4 |
2002 | CHR | AAA | INT | 18 | 75 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .158 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
Year | Team | lvl | LG | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | TB | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | ISO | SF | SH |
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1982 | IDA | Rk | PIO | 66 | 57 | 13 | 15 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 24 | 7 | 9 | 13 | 3 | 0 | .263 | .364 | .421 | .158 | 0 | 0 |
1982 | MIA | A+ | FSL | 10 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | .111 | .200 | .222 | .111 | 0 | 0 |
1983 | MDF | A- | NWN | 233 | 197 | 34 | 53 | 15 | 2 | 11 | 105 | 40 | 30 | 78 | 6 | 2 | .269 | .379 | .533 | .264 | 0 | 0 |
1983 | MAD | A | MDW | 100 | 88 | 8 | 14 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 27 | 10 | 10 | 36 | 2 | 2 | .159 | .253 | .307 | .148 | 0 | 0 |
1984 | MOD | A+ | CLF | 500 | 410 | 61 | 113 | 21 | 2 | 15 | 183 | 73 | 74 | 127 | 10 | 6 | .276 | .391 | .446 | .171 | 3 | 3 |
1985 | TAC | AAA | PCL | 277 | 233 | 41 | 81 | 16 | 1 | 11 | 132 | 47 | 40 | 66 | 5 | 0 | .348 | .445 | .567 | .219 | 0 | 0 |
1985 | OAK | MLB | AL | 100 | 96 | 16 | 29 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 47 | 13 | 4 | 31 | 1 | 1 | .302 | .330 | .490 | .188 | 0 | 0 |
1985 | HUN | AA | SOU | 251 | 211 | 47 | 67 | 10 | 2 | 25 | 156 | 80 | 30 | 55 | 6 | 0 | .318 | .415 | .739 | .422 | 0 | 0 |
1986 | OAK | MLB | AL | 682 | 600 | 85 | 144 | 29 | 1 | 33 | 274 | 117 | 65 | 175 | 15 | 7 | .240 | .318 | .457 | .217 | 9 | 0 |
1987 | OAK | MLB | AL | 691 | 630 | 81 | 162 | 35 | 3 | 31 | 296 | 113 | 50 | 157 | 15 | 3 | .257 | .310 | .470 | .213 | 9 | 0 |
1988 | OAK | MLB | AL | 705 | 610 | 120 | 187 | 34 | 0 | 42 | 347 | 124 | 78 | 128 | 40 | 16 | .307 | .391 | .569 | .262 | 6 | 1 |
1989 | HUN | AA | SOU | 34 | 29 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 5 | 11 | 1 | 0 | .207 | .324 | .207 | .000 | 0 | 0 |
1989 | OAK | MLB | AL | 258 | 227 | 40 | 61 | 9 | 1 | 17 | 123 | 57 | 23 | 69 | 6 | 3 | .269 | .333 | .542 | .273 | 6 | 0 |
1990 | OAK | MLB | AL | 563 | 481 | 83 | 132 | 14 | 2 | 37 | 261 | 101 | 72 | 158 | 19 | 10 | .274 | .371 | .543 | .268 | 5 | 0 |
1991 | OAK | MLB | AL | 665 | 572 | 115 | 152 | 32 | 1 | 44 | 318 | 122 | 78 | 152 | 26 | 6 | .266 | .359 | .556 | .290 | 6 | 0 |
1992 | OAK | MLB | AL | 421 | 366 | 66 | 90 | 11 | 0 | 22 | 167 | 72 | 48 | 104 | 5 | 7 | .246 | .335 | .456 | .210 | 4 | 0 |
1992 | TEX | MLB | AL | 91 | 73 | 8 | 17 | 4 | 0 | 4 | 33 | 15 | 15 | 24 | 1 | 0 | .233 | .385 | .452 | .219 | 0 | 0 |
1993 | TEX | MLB | AL | 253 | 231 | 30 | 59 | 14 | 1 | 10 | 105 | 46 | 16 | 62 | 6 | 6 | .255 | .308 | .455 | .199 | 3 | 0 |
1994 | TEX | MLB | AL | 505 | 429 | 88 | 121 | 19 | 2 | 31 | 237 | 90 | 69 | 114 | 15 | 8 | .282 | .386 | .552 | .270 | 2 | 0 |
1995 | PAW | AAA | INT | 8 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | .167 | .286 | .167 | .000 | 0 | 0 |
1995 | BOS | MLB | AL | 450 | 396 | 64 | 121 | 25 | 1 | 24 | 220 | 81 | 42 | 93 | 4 | 0 | .306 | .378 | .556 | .250 | 5 | 0 |
1996 | BOS | MLB | AL | 432 | 360 | 68 | 104 | 22 | 1 | 28 | 212 | 82 | 63 | 82 | 3 | 1 | .289 | .400 | .589 | .300 | 3 | 0 |
1996 | PAW | AAA | INT | 5 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | .200 | .200 | .200 | .000 | 0 | 0 |
1997 | OAK | MLB | AL | 446 | 388 | 56 | 91 | 19 | 0 | 23 | 179 | 74 | 51 | 122 | 8 | 2 | .235 | .325 | .461 | .227 | 4 | 0 |
1998 | TOR | MLB | AL | 658 | 583 | 98 | 138 | 26 | 0 | 46 | 302 | 107 | 65 | 159 | 29 | 17 | .237 | .318 | .518 | .281 | 4 | 0 |
1999 | TBA | MLB | AL | 502 | 430 | 75 | 120 | 18 | 1 | 34 | 242 | 95 | 58 | 135 | 3 | 0 | .279 | .369 | .563 | .284 | 7 | 0 |
2000 | TBA | MLB | AL | 264 | 218 | 31 | 56 | 15 | 0 | 9 | 98 | 30 | 41 | 65 | 2 | 0 | .257 | .383 | .450 | .193 | 1 | 0 |
2000 | NYA | MLB | AL | 137 | 111 | 16 | 27 | 3 | 0 | 6 | 48 | 19 | 23 | 37 | 0 | 0 | .243 | .365 | .432 | .189 | 3 | 0 |
2001 | CHA | MLB | AL | 306 | 256 | 46 | 66 | 8 | 0 | 16 | 122 | 49 | 45 | 75 | 2 | 1 | .258 | .366 | .477 | .219 | 4 | 0 |
2002 | CHR | AAA | INT | 75 | 64 | 11 | 11 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 27 | 9 | 9 | 21 | 1 | 0 | .172 | .284 | .422 | .250 | 0 | 0 |
YEAR | Pits | Zone% | Swing% | Contact% | Z-Swing% | O-Swing% | Z-Contact% | O-Contact% | SwStr% | CSAA |
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Injury History — No longer being updated | Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET |
Date On | Date Off | Transaction | Days | Games | Side | Body Part | Injury | Severity | Surgery Date | Reaggravation |
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2001-03-09 | 2001-03-19 | Camp | 10 | 0 | - | Low Back | Strain | - | - | |
2000-05-25 | 2000-07-18 | 15-DL | 54 | 46 | Left | Foot | Strain | Heel | - | - |
2000-05-01 | 2000-05-03 | DTD | 2 | 1 | - | Lower Leg | Tightness | Calf | - | - |
1999-09-04 | 1999-09-09 | DTD | 5 | 4 | Right | Hand | Sprain | - | - | |
1999-08-27 | 1999-08-29 | DTD | 2 | 2 | - | Low Back | Spasms | - | - | |
1999-08-23 | 1999-08-24 | DTD | 1 | 1 | - | General Medical | Migraine | - | - | |
1999-07-10 | 1999-08-20 | 15-DL | 41 | 35 | - | Low Back | Surgery | Herniated Disc | 1999-07-11 | - |
1999-06-09 | 1999-06-09 | DTD | 0 | 0 | - | Low Back | Spasms | - | - | |
1999-05-23 | 1999-05-24 | DTD | 1 | 1 | - | Low Back | Stiffness | - | - | |
1999-05-06 | 1999-05-08 | DTD | 2 | 2 | - | Knee | Soreness | - | - | |
1999-04-29 | 1999-04-30 | DTD | 1 | 1 | - | Abdomen | Strain | - | - | |
1998-07-01 | 1998-07-09 | DTD | 8 | 5 | - | Low Back | Spasms | - | - | |
1998-06-27 | 1998-06-30 | DTD | 3 | 2 | - | Low Back | Spasms | - | - | |
1998-06-16 | 1998-06-18 | DTD | 2 | 2 | - | Low Back | Spasms | - | - | |
1998-05-13 | 1998-05-14 | DTD | 1 | 1 | - | Low Back | Spasms | - | - | |
1997-08-27 | 1997-09-28 | 15-DL | 32 | 29 | - | Low Back | Strain | - | - | |
1997-08-01 | 1997-08-20 | 15-DL | 19 | 15 | - | Low Back | Spasms | - | - | |
1996-07-26 | 1996-09-17 | 15-DL | 53 | 49 | - | Low Back | Surgery | Removed Herniated Disc Fragment | 1996-09-02 | - |
1996-04-24 | 1996-05-10 | 15-DL | 16 | 12 | - | Thigh | Strain | Hamstring | - | - |
1995-05-15 | 1995-06-20 | 15-DL | 36 | 32 | - | Groin | Strain | - | - | |
1993-06-24 | 1993-10-03 | 60-DL | 101 | 91 | Right | Elbow | Surgery | Tommy John Surgery | 1993-07-10 | - |
1992-07-01 | 1992-07-16 | 15-DL | 15 | 11 | Right | Shoulder | Soreness | - | - | |
1990-06-08 | 1990-06-23 | 15-DL | 15 | 14 | - | Low Back | Cartilage Injury | Disc Injury | - | - |
1989-04-03 | 1989-07-13 | 60-DL | 101 | 88 | Left | Wrist | Surgery | Ligament and Hamate Bone | 1989-05-10 | - |
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2019 Preseason Forecast | Last Update: 1/27/2017 12:35 ET |
PCT | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | DRC+ | VORP | FRAA | WARP |
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Date | Question | Answer |
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2014-01-02 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Just for reference, the last 9 WARP seasons (rounding) by a RF? 2011 Jose Bautista, 2001 Sammy Sosa, 2001 Shawn Green, 1988 Jose Canseco, 1986 Jesse Barfield. (Add in LF, and you get a whole lot of Bonds, plus 2001 Luis Gonzalez and Rickey in 1990 and 1980. Also, holy 1980 Willie Wilson FRAA.) So I think I'd be surprised by a 9 win season. (justarobert from Santa Clara) | It's a fair point, but I think Puig is a better defender than Bautista so can contribute more on that side of the ball. I'm not saying it's likely - it's not - but I do think it's within his spectrum of production. (Craig Goldstein) |
2012-06-12 13:00:00 (link to chat) | If Bo Jackson had never returned to football, what sort of career stats do you think he'd have accumulated? (Paul from DC) | He would have had Jose Canseco's 30s. He wouldn't have been a Hall of Famer. (Sam Miller) |
2012-05-25 14:00:00 (link to chat) | Best "non-pitcher" pitching performance you've ever seen? Chris Davis? (dianagram from VORGville) | Best? That's a tough call, but Davis' changeup was filthy, and you rarely see that kind of secondary stuff from a non-pitcher. The most comical position player to take the mound had to be Jose Canseco
Now on the jukebox: Dredg, "Ode to the Sun" (Doug Thorburn) |
2010-10-25 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Christina, if you're (11) in the comments section, who the heck are the Top Ten? (GBSimons from Boise, ID) | I really have no idea, but I always liked #11 (and multiples of 11). Billy Beane wore #11, and so did Moose Earnshaw, while Jose Canseco wore 33. The A's won a World Series in 1911. So, it works for me. (Christina Kahrl) |
2010-07-23 13:00:00 (link to chat) | How about Fred McGriff? Big HR guy with no steroid taint. (SIERAmist from Clean Coal Fantasyland, WV) | Unless he's added a few homers since December, what I wrote back then (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9871) still applies:
For years now, there's been talk of the fact that with his 493 homers, McGriff might unseat Dave Kingman (442 homers) as the player with the highest total not to make the Hall of Fame. Jose Canseco (462 homers) has already erased the so-called "Kingman Line," but then his transgressions insured he'd never make Cooperstown anyway. There's bound to be a certain nostalgia among voters for McGriff, who hit the majority of his shots before the pharmaceutically-fueled assault on the single-season home-run record began, and an acknowledgment that the round-numbered milestone he fell short of means less today than it did a generation ago. Even so, McGriff doesn't have a particularly strong case for Cooperstown. Despite the two home-run titles, he's well short of the Black Ink of a typical Hall of Famer (though that Jamesian metric fails to adjust for expansion). He never won an MVP award (his top single-season WARP total of 6.8 isn't quite MVP territory), and while he did place in the top 10 in the voting in six straight seasons (1989-1994), he only cracked the top five in 1993. JAWS-wise, that stretch of six-win seasons still isn't enough for him to measure up to the average Hall of Famer on peak score, and he's even further below the standard on career WARP. The shape of his JAWS line is very similar to that of Tony Perez (59.0/41.3/50.2), but that particular Doggie had five pennants, two rings, and a more famous dynasty to his name. The guess here is that he'll fall far short, but linger on the ballot for a long time. (Jay Jaffe) |
2010-01-21 13:00:00 (link to chat) | I am curious to know why there haven't been a flood of Jose Canseco apology articles considering almost everything he was ridiculed for has turned out to be true. (Garrett from Chicago) | Because people don't care if you're right when you're a jerk. You're still a jerk. (Marc Normandin) |
2010-01-21 13:00:00 (link to chat) | I'm a jerk? Thanks...I am not very impressed by your answer. There have been tons of jerks that people have listened to over the years. Hey, look at Pat Robertson, people listen to him. (Garrett from Chicago) | Uh, no, Jose Canseco is the jerk in this story. Not you. "You're still a jerk" was "No one is apologizing to Canseco, because even though he's right, he's still a jerk"
My point is that we haven't seen a flood of apology articles because even though he's been right about a lot of what he discussed, no one wants to admit it publicly because they consider him a jerk. We're also talking about an industry that was well aware of what was going on at the time, but has decided instead to point the finger at everyone else involved in order to maintain their own image and make sure they remain in control of the story. (Marc Normandin) |
2009-08-04 14:00:00 (link to chat) | Think Canseco is telling the truth when he says a juicer is already in the Hall of Fame? (Greg from Des Moines) | My little brother was kidding me at the park a couple of months ago: "The thing about the steroids scandal is, Jose Canseco?--complete vindicated." Given how much the worm's turned on the perception front, do we really want to say he's not telling the truth? If there is one already in, that might be the right sort of tonic to those who on the one hand seem to noisily against certain players for the Hall, but then seem to be notably silent about Fred McGriff. And while it's easy to get overly worked up about slippery slopes, if McGriff's in and Rice is in but Keith Hernandez or Tim Raines isn't, is this really just "the Hall of People Who Didn't Use a Few of Our Least Favorite Substances, but Not All of Them, Insofar as We Know." (Christina Kahrl) |
2008-10-17 13:00:00 (link to chat) | While your logic is sound, when people ask "who would you want to start a franchise with?" they typically are looking at on-the-field criteria. Jose Canseco might sell a lot of tickets too. (dude from seriously?) | Canseco? Only if we're doing the whole lions eating people thing, which I would buy. (Will Carroll) |
2008-08-27 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Wikipedia's list of position players who have had Tommy John surgery: Rocco Baldelli, Joe Borchard, Shin-Soo Choo, Chris Denorfia, Rusty Greer, Luis Gonzalez, Matt Holliday, Norris Hopper, Cezar Izturis, Kelly Johnson, Xavier Nady, and Vance Wilson. Also, Jose Canseco could be included but doesn't really count since he blew out his arm while pitching. (Gump from nyc) | Jimmy Wales is a great guy, but .... man, that's a really incomplete list. (Will Carroll) |
2008-05-09 14:00:00 (link to chat) | Is Keith Law better at cooking than you are at Oakland A's liking? (Vince from Boston) | Probably not, but there's no such thing as VORM (Value Over Replacement Meal). I had a nice meal at Chez Panisse back in March, and it was very nice, but I don't know if it was really all that, given the place's international reputation. Whereas in terms of A's fandom, I remain an unapologetic fan of Jose Canseco for what he did on the field of play, rooted for Kong long past his sell-by date, and even feel a bit of nostalgia for poor old Chris Codiroli now and again. If there was a VORF metric, I think I'd do rather well (or "Diner"-level horrifying, depending on your POV). (Christina Kahrl) |
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2008-10-10 13:30:00 | Friday LCS | Oh look, did Jose Canseco get arrested at the border with steroids? Yes, yes he did. It must be "karmic reordering week" in the US judicial system. (Will Carroll) |
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