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|2019-04-26 16:00:00 (link to chat)||Lewis Thorpe is pegged by most as a swingman. How does a guy like that dominate with k's like he does?|
(Randy from SummerSlam '90)
|It's pretty baffling. Even our prospect guys don't necessarily understand how he gets all those punch outs without a true "out pitch". The last guy I remember like that was Tony Cingrani, which might kinda/sorta be an ok comp?
Btw, I had to go look up Randy's SummerSlam 90 opponent, and saw it was another classic Macho Man/Dusty Rhodes outing. (Mark Barry)
|2015-06-10 14:00:00 (link to chat)||It seems that when big-stuff, poor command SP prospects initially come up there's a period of time where they are succesful before the league figures them out. I'm thinking like Tony Cingrani from 2 years ago and Lance McCullers Jr. this year. Can you think of a reason why these guys seem to have initial success that isn't really predicted for them? Maybe I take the scouting report too literal, but I often ignore these guys in my leagues when they come up, but it seems like there's an opportunity to grab these guys right away and ride them for a few starts before the league catches up to them. |
(Shawn from Cubicle)
|I don't think Cingrani and McCullers are too comparable. Everyone knew Cingrani was a one-trick pony who would struggle against righties. McCullers has better stuff and has even begun using a third pitch more frequently. If the command continues to develop, there's no comparison between the two whatsoever. (J.P. Breen)|
|2015-02-13 19:00:00 (link to chat)||Does PFM value SB too much or is it that we don't value them enough?
Preset PFM inputs yield.
Player A 83 25 80 26 .261 $26.74
player B 71 23 79 9 .269 $11.86
I'd rather have Player B at that price and use the surplus $14.88 to buy SB and other stats.
Also Tony Cingrani is projected by PFM to be a top 35 SP when he can be drafted much later than that. Is he a player to target late in drafts hoping that PECOTA's analysis will yield a nice profit?
(Julio Ramos from San Antonio)
|It's a little bit of both. We probably should be paying more for SB and in mixed formats in particular they get the short shrift. That being said, PECOTA putting a Top 5 or 10 value on a one trick pony like Billy Hamilton overemphasizes his true value, particularly if you don't turn the SGP feature ON. Most importantly, if you value SB "correctly" but your league is paying significantly less for it, you are going to wind up with Billy Hamilton, Dee Gordon, and Ben Revere and not have enough stats elsewhere to compete in your league.
As far as Cingrani goes, I don't like him but the high whiff potential does make him a deeper mixed sleeper. He should probably be getting a little play in the reserve rounds or late in the draft portion. (Mike Gianella)
|2014-11-18 13:00:00 (link to chat)||What is the health status of Brandon Beachy and how does the Shelby Miller trade effect his 2015 season?
Also how does it look for of Patrick Corbin and Tony Cingrani healthwise for 2015?
Thanks for the chat, and all the knowledge, you pass along!|
(Dragonbreath from Gurnee, IL.)
|I haven't seen much recent new on the health statuses of Beachy and Medlen, but I wouldn't consider the acquisition of Miller as any sort of reflection on those. I'd imagine the Braves were more concerned with maximizing their return on Heyward a year away from his free agency. There is room for both Beachy and Medlen in the rotation if they are healthy. One thing to keep an eye out: I saw reports this morning that the Braves are courting Jon Lester, or at least having him in for a visit. It's hard to say if this will have any bearing on his decision, but I believe Lester lives in Georgia during the offseason.
I'd expect Cingrani to be ready to roll on Opening Day-whether it's as a starter remains to be seen-and Corbin to return around June. (Daniel Rathman)
|2014-03-27 13:00:00 (link to chat)||5x5 roto, 30 team dynasty: making a move into contention, I traded Nick Castellanos, Tony Cingrani & Eduardo Rodriguez for Adam Jones, Bronson Arroyo & Bartolo Colon. Thoughts? It turned out to be rather divisive on the league message boards. FWIW, Castellanos was blocked at 3B by Matt Carpenter and my OF is now potentially the best in the league (Harper, Jones & Billy Hamilton)|
(birdzfan52 from Baltimore)
|Seems like you dealt strength for weakness. Did you get perfect value? I'm not qualified to say ... That's a far deeper league than I've ever been in, so it's hard for me to know what the value of Colon, Arroyo, etc. carry. Craig Goldstein said it was fine though, so I'm inclined to trust him.
I think there's some shock value because you traded young for old (excepting Jones) but, speaking from my experiences, prospects get overvalued in keeper leagues. You're trying to win now, so you made a win-now trade. I get it. (R.J. Anderson)
|2014-02-18 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Tony Cingrani gets criticized for using his fastball too much. Do you think that he can still succeed without developing a good off speed alternative?|
(JimDog from Ontario)
|Not a long-term believer in a one-pitch fastball pitcher, even though he creates insane deception. (Ronit Shah)|
|2014-02-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Despite the inherent costs of starting the arbitration clock earlier, shouldn't the immediate success of top NL fireballing pitching prospects last year like Gerrit Cole, Jose Fernandez, Shelby Miller, Michael Wacha and even lower ceiling guys like Tony Cingrani and Alex Wood made it more likely that Archie Bradley, Noah Syndergaard and maybe even guys like Matt Wisler and James Taillon come up to help their clubs as early as possible?|
(Scott from LA)
|Maybe, but remember everyone's developmental cycles are different. Kevin Gausman seemed like a good bet to succeed right out of the gates, instead he allowed more hits than innings pitched. So it's really a case-by-case thing.
Plus, with the exception of Jose Fernandez, all those pitchers were on quality teams. If I'm the Mets I'm not eager to cost myself more money later on for two months of a guy who, let's face it, isn't the difference between the postseason and the golf course. (R.J. Anderson)
|2013-06-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Paul, please list a few pitchers that could have that Kris Medlen like run in the 2nd half. And maybe some bullpen arms that if they move into a starting role, could have real value in mixed leagues. Oh and hello Curtis!|
(andtinez from Houston)
|Franklin Morales (Rubby or Webster, too, but neither is currently in their pen) and Tony Cingrani (obv, but he fits the model now) are currently in pens. Guys who could just make a big run who aren't currently in a rotation: Erasmo Ramirez, Trevor Rosenthal (prob more 2014 if he's gonna be an SP again), Alex Colome, and Tim Stauffer. http://pauls.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/hiandrew.jpg (Paul Sporer)|
|2013-05-07 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Please tell me Tony Cingrani isn't getting sent down when Cueto comes back.|
(Britt from Cincinnati)
|That seems unlikely with the way he's pitching right now, but we'll see if he keeps it up and how Mike Leake does in the interim. (Paul Sporer)|
|2013-04-30 12:00:00 (link to chat)||Much has been made of the opinion that Tony Cingrani really only has one pitch, although it seems that some scouts believe he has a plus change-up. What is your opinion? Also, if it is true that he only has one plus pitch, how long can he stick in the rotation? Have there ever been any [good] MLB starting pitchers with one plus pitch [not including knuckleballers]?|
(boneil33 from Boston)
|Cingrani has a plus changeup by most accounts, giving him two plus offerings from the left side. (R.J. Anderson)|
|2013-04-16 20:00:00 (link to chat)||Expectations for Tony Cingrani and Didi Gregorius?|
(Brandon from Smackdown Hotel)
|Expectations for Cingrani have gotten way out of control due to his crazy minor league numbers, including his first few starts this year. I don't think he'll be a big strikeout guy at the major league level, he's getting them based on deception/angle, not on overwhelming stuff. Gregorius is an afterthought for fantasy, but is a good enough defender to be an above-average regular for a number of years. (Bret Sayre)|
|2013-04-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)||So Im hearing a lot of talk about Cingrani. How do you think he does this year? |
(Anthony from Cali)
|Hi Anthony. Yeah, I guess fanning 26 of the first 48 batters he faced at Louisville this year got some folks' attention. Tony Cingrani is good enough to pitch in the big leagues, but whether it's as a starter or a reliever, I'm not sure yet. (Geoff Young)|
|2013-04-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Is Tony Cingrani this year's Mike Fiers - a guy who succeeds early based upon deception, despite lacking great stuff, until the league figures him out? |
(Dusty Baker from Cincy)
|Cingrani won't keep up his ridiculous pace, but he's a solid pitcher. Jason Parks ranked him no. 3 among Reds prospects entering the season. (Geoff Young)|
|2013-04-18 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Please rank as long-term keepers: Jose Fernandez, Tony Cingrani, Jessie Biddle and Zach Lee. Thanks!|
(TJ from Eagan, MN)
|This is probably a question better suited for our prospect or fantasy crews, TJ, but I'll throw in my $0.02. I'd go Fernandez, Lee, Biddle, Cingrani with a sizable gap between Fernandez and the other three. (Daniel Rathman)|
|2013-03-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Does Mike Leake slide back into the Reds rotation now or is there someone else to what for?|
(Tommy from Vermolusca)
|Seems like that's the plan, though a potentially greater concern is that the Reds lack a proven sixth starter. Tony Cingrani and Daniel Corcino have upside, but I'm not sure either of them would be ready to approximate the performance the Reds are expecting from their other starters. (Daniel Rathman)|
|2013-02-27 20:00:00 (link to chat)||Any of these guys worth a look in an NL only 4x4 standard league?
Trevor Rosenthal, Tony Cingrani, Arodys Vizcaino, Christian Garcia, J.J. Hoover, or Sam Lecure.
(Johnny T from The Hills)
|Rosenthal is definitely worth a $2-3 bid in NL-only. His stuff is legitimate and even if he's only a set-up man, his Ks mean that he could put up sneaky $10-12 value. (Mike Gianella)|
|2013-02-25 11:00:00 (link to chat)||Do you see Tony Cingrani in the back-end of a rotation or a bullpen? The reports I've seen of his stuff doesn't seem to equate with his accomplishments. I don't know what I'm looking at.|
(Brian Dennehy from Jerkwater, USA)
|I think he ends up in the pen, but has some impact potential (Jason Parks on the Top 101 Prospects)|
|2013-01-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Thanks for the chat. Do you think the Aroldis Chapman experiment will work? He seemed to be too valuable closing out games. What are you thoughts on some sneaky good RP's like Tony Cingrani and J.J. Hoover in Cincinnati?|
(Rockford from Flowmont)
|A year ago I would've said no on Chapman starting because of his control woes. He seemed to improve on that aspect and if it sticks then I'd say he's got a chance. I haven't seen much of Cingrani-though he sounds like someone who could help now-but Hoover is a nice arm that got buried in Atlanta because others had higher ceilings. (R.J. Anderson)|
|2012-10-08 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Will Tony Cingrani be given a shot at making the Red's rotation coming out of 2013 spring training?|
(Paul from DC)
|Doubtful, with Arroyo, Latos, Leake, Cueto, and Bailey all under team control for next year. That rotation proved reliable this year (it started all but one of the Reds' games this year), so I'd expect Cingrani to work in middle relief next year with a chance at replacing Arroyo in 2014. (Bradley Ankrom)|
|2012-08-10 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Prospect with the most risk based on mechanics,Daniel Corcino or Tony Cingrani?|
(William from Pensacola, FL)
|I wish I could give you a 2-paragraph diatribe on each of these guys, but unfortunately I have not yet had the pleasure of watching them pitch. With prospect mechanics, it is crucial to be open-minded about the past, present, and future - they can show widely disparate mechanical profiles month-to-month and even start-to-start, and they are often focusing on one element at a time during development. You often hear about a pitcher scrapping a particular pitch in order to work on his other offerings, and it can be a similar story with mechanics, where a pitcher is toying with (for example) his momentum during a game and trying to find the same timing pattern on all of his pitches. (Doug Thorburn)|
|2012-05-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Tony Cingrani continues to impress, even pitching in the Cal League. Most seem to see him as a reliever, but he is straight DEALING as a starter. Is his secondary stuff developing enough to stick as a starter, against all odds?|
(Jay from Cincy)
|You're in luck: Kevin wrote about Cingrani today in a piece at BP and ESPN. (If a minor leaguer is doing something interesting, it's usually safe to assume that Kevin is writing about him now or did write about him recently.) The consensus seems to be that he's now a prospect as a starting pitcher.
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|2012-04-27 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Has your opinion on Tony Cingrani changed at all? He's long been pigeonholed as a bullpen arm due to a lack of secondary stuff, but he is absolutely dominating as a starter (10.7 K/9, 5.6 K/BB) in the offense-friendly Cal League and a AA promotion can't be far off. Can he stick?|
(Immanuel #Want from Prussia)
|Just spoke to a scout about him. The arm strength is fantastic, and he's shoving it right now as a starter. But everything I hear is that he profiles better as a bullpen arm. I'd like to hold off until we can see how the breaking ball develops and if he can remain effective as a starter. Helium guy right now. (Jason Parks)|
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