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Birth Date1-4-1992
Height6' 3"
Weight217 lbs
Age27 years, 9 months, 15 days
WARP Summary

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Statistics for All Levels

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2013 PEN AA SOU 4 1 .234 .377 .367 .000 107 -0.6 0.0 0.1 -35 0 -0.1 0.0 -0.2 0.0
2014 PEN AA SOU 21 38 .257 .326 .391 .300 99 1.9 0.1 4.3 35 0 0.9 0.2 -3.2 0.2
2015 CIN MLB NL 30 41 .264 .316 .411 .391 89 -1.3 0.1 5.2 -15 13 -0.6 -0.6 -5.3 -0.1
2015 LOU AAA INT 4 11 .248 .306 .346 .000 92 -1.4 0.0 1.3 -35 0 0.8 0.0 -1.7 0.0
2016 CIN MLB NL 35 5 .232 .305 .399 .000 94 0.3 0.0 0.6 -4 16 -0.2 0.0 -0.6 0.0
2016 LOU AAA INT 2 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2017 CIN MLB NL 70 12 .245 .318 .416 .167 99 -0.8 0.1 1.4 -8 16 -0.7 0.2 -1.6 -0.1
2018 CIN MLB NL 54 34 .258 .322 .414 .278 100 2.4 0.4 2.9 48 22 1.7 -0.2 -2.0 0.3
2018 PEN AA SOU 3 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2019 CIN MLB NL 100 53 .246 .321 .423 .300 98 -2 1.1 2.5 47 12 0.5 -2.3 -3.4 -0.2

Plate Discipline

YEAR Pits Zone% Swing% Contact% Z-Swing% O-Swing% Z-Contact% O-Contact% SwStr% CSAA
2015 152 0.5461 0.4868 0.7027 0.6145 0.3333 0.7843 0.5217 0.2973 0.0029
2016 22 0.4091 0.4545 0.7000 0.7778 0.2308 0.8571 0.3333 0.3000 0.0000
2017 43 0.4419 0.6047 0.6538 0.7895 0.4583 0.7333 0.5455 0.3462 0.0000
2018 129 0.4729 0.5116 0.6667 0.7049 0.3382 0.8372 0.3478 0.3333 0.0000
2019 209 0.4211 0.5646 0.6356 0.7500 0.4298 0.7576 0.4808 0.3644 0.0000

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation


Year Team Salary
2019 CIN $1,950,000
2018 CIN $1,312,500
2017 CIN $555,000
2016 CIN $516,500
2015 CIN $
3 yrPrevious$2,384,000
4 yrPvs + Cur$4,334,000
4 yrTotal$4,334,000


Service TimeAgentContract Status
3 y 159 dCAA1 year/$1.95M (2019)

  • 1 year/$1.95M (2019). Re-signed by Cincinnati 1/11/19 (avoided arbitration).
  • 1 year/$1.3125M (2018). Re-signed by Cincinnati 1/12/18 (avoided arbitration).
  • 1 year (2017). Re-signed by Cincinnati 3/17.
  • 1 year/$0.5165M (2016). Re-signed by Cincinnati 3/16.
  • 1 year (2015). Contract selected by Cincinnati 4/29/15.
  • Drafted by Cincinnati 2013 (1s-38) (Cal State-Fullerton). $1.5M signing bonus ($1.4705M slot).

2019 Preseason Forecast

Last Update: 1/27/2017 12:35 ET

90o 405 51 103 20 2 14 53 39 91 2 1 .289 .365 .473 113 26.9 2.9
80o 378 45 90 18 2 12 47 34 88 2 1 .269 .341 .442 102 18.4 2.0
70o 358 41 81 16 1 11 42 31 85 2 1 .255 .327 .415 94 12.8 1.4
60o 341 38 73 14 1 10 39 28 83 2 1 .239 .308 .390 88 8.5 0.9
50o 325 35 67 13 1 9 36 26 80 1 1 .229 .297 .373 81 4.7 0.5
40o 309 32 61 12 1 8 33 23 78 1 1 .219 .284 .356 75 1.3 0.1
30o 292 29 56 11 1 8 30 21 75 1 0 .212 .273 .352 68 -1.9 -0.2
20o 272 25 50 10 1 7 27 18 71 1 0 .202 .260 .336 60 -5.3 -0.6
10o 245 21 41 8 1 6 22 15 66 1 0 .183 .239 .308 49 -9.1 -1.0
Weighted Mean33236711411037278121.238.306.393846.40.7

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2019-06-21 15:00:00 (link to chat)Two Reds questions. What's the likelihood we see Derick Dietrich return to his early-season bashing, or is this a regression to his norm? Also, can we expect a fair number of saves or holds from Michael Lorenzen, or are the Reds bullpen roles too unsettled to confidently predict? thanks
(Slappy from NC)
Ah, the glorious Dietrich Spring. The eyeblack moustache. The throwback jersey unbuttoned halfway down. The beekeeper outfit. The home run pimping. Look back with fondness, for we may never see its like again. The improved plate discipline has been nice to see, but I think he's found his level as a platoon/bench bat.

As for Lorenzen: don't listen to David Bell when he tells you that nothing has changed in the Reds' bullpen. Lorenzen is the guy until he's not, and with each passing save he tightens his grip. No matter what they say, managers (and I assume pitchers) don't want a committee and it would be easy for all concerned if Lorenzen takes the job and runs with it. (Jon Hegglund)
2017-03-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)What are your thoughts on Michael Lorenzen? Is he worth holding onto in a 16 team H2H with only 2 RP slots when I got 3 closers?
(David from Ask Siri)
Depends on how many bench spots you have to work with, but almost certainly not. Even if a couple of your closers fall, and you somehow don't nab their replacements, there'll be as good a chance of another middle reliever stepping up as Lorenzen breaking out this year. (Patrick Dubuque)
2017-03-09 20:00:00 (link to chat)Have you guys ever experimented with pitchers who are coded as starting pitchers by Scoresheet but who will likely serve in relief roles in 2017? I am wondering if guys like David Phelps, Michael Lorenzen and Matt Strahm could be deployed as a sort of tandem fifth starter (with benefits such as switching handedness against a platoon-heavy team and potential lower ERAs). Does Scoresheet force you to start a pitcher with a game started that week if there's one on your roster?
(cgoble from KC)
This is a fun strategy, and something we've done and heard others also advocate. Playing time restrictions get stricter come playoff time, so these guys aren't as likely to be starting playoff games unless they've started real life games, but during the regular season it's a fun trick to pull. In the regular season, the measurement for contribution from starters is just total innings pitched, so guys like the ones you mentioned can start for you and offer some opportunities for good draft value and stronger than expected run prevention in a starting role (since they don't face that challenge in real life). (Ben Murphy, Ian Lefkowitz and Jared Weiss)
2016-06-21 20:00:00 (link to chat)Bought a share of Michael Lorenzen recently in a deep league. What odds would you put on him becoming the Reds closer?
(Jake Cutter from Sweetwater, TX)
Betting on anyone in the Reds bullpen is a good way to drive yourself crazy. Pick a number from 1 to 6, then roll a six-sided dice. If that number comes up, write that number and Lorenzen's name on a piece of paper, wrap it around the dice, and set it on fire. Then go after someone in any other bullpen. Steer clear of Cincinnati's relief core until a clear closer emerges, which might mean waiting until 2017. (Scooter Hotz)
2015-07-02 15:00:00 (link to chat)Hi Doug, could you rate these 5 Ps for future? Any stand out above the others? Joe Ross, Vincent Velasquez, Raisel Iglesias, Matt Wisler, Michael Lorenzen. Thanks!
(ColeWhittier from Pasadena)
Ross is an intriguing pitcher but his pitch selection is mirroring his brother's approach, including a high rate of SL's that simultaneously raises the injury risk and put the onus on his ability to bury the pitch. I really like Velasquez's delivery and the velo is legit. Iglesias is incredibly advanced for his age. Lorenzen has great stuff but was perhaps promoted before the command was honed, whereas Wisler holds the opposite profile of low ceiling but high floor. Long-term, give me Velasquez-Lorenzen-Wisler-Iglesias-Ross, but in the near-term I would go with Velasquez-Wisler-Ross-Iglesias-Lorenzen. Velasquez is above the others, and development will determine how the rest fall into place. (Doug Thorburn)
2015-01-05 15:00:00 (link to chat)Thoughts on Michael Lorenzen heading into next year? Are we doing a disservice by paying attention to his K/9 rather than his raw stuff?
(Kevin from Cincinnati )
I did not get to Pensacola this year unfortunately (it's a 9 hour trip, so it takes some advanced planning), but I do want to touch on this topic, because it's a good one. We can definitely get hung up on minor league stats. You wouldn't know Lorenzen throws 96 by looking at his K/9 rate. That said, I think K/9 is a good stat to look at, as long as its part of a bigger picture. It's a bit of a catch 22. We know Lorenzen has better stuff than that so we're not as worried about a low K rate as we would be with a guy who throws 89 mph. That said, he's already in Double-A, it would be nice to see him miss some bats, right? Not everyone who throws hard misses bats. It's not a given just because there's velocity. Just because she throws hard doesn't mean he's going to miss bats in the majors.

There are also other factors to consider. Did the Reds have him working on something in particular? Gerrit Cole is a good example of this. His minor league strike out totals did not match his stuff, which was as good as anybody's in the minors. Why not? Well for one, the Pirates had him working on his two-seam fastball and getting ground balls. He's still using that pitch a ton in the majors and having success. Could he strike out 9-10 batters a game, probably. But would he be better off?

There are a lot of variables, and they all tell part of the story. That's why you can't just look at the numbers, but you should take them into consideration. (Jeff Moore)
2014-11-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)How many of your NL Central Top 25 do you expect to make it on the top 100 list when BP publishes it? Average would be around 16 or 17 assuming talent is evenly distributed, right?
(Mike from Texas)
I did say I'd throw a top 25 NL Central Prospects list out there during this chat. With the understanding this is a work in progress (Mellen and I are starting to dig in on the framework for the Top 101), this is my own personal ranking of the prospects covered in our NL Central rankings:

1. SS Addison Russell
2. 3B Kris Bryant
3. RHP Robert Stephenson
4. OF Jorge Soler
5. OF Albert Almora
6. OF Stephen Piscotty
7. LHP Marco Gonzales
8. RHP Tyler Glasnow
9. RHP Jameson Taillon
10. OF Jesse Winker
11. OF/1B Josh Bell
12. RHP Alex Reyes
13. C Kyle Schwarber
14. RHP Michael Lorenzen
15. SS Orlando Arcia
16. OF Tyrone Taylor
17. OF Billy McKinney
18. RHP Pierce Johnson
19. SS Gleyber Torres
20. RHP Jack Flaherty
21. OF Yorman Rodriguez
22. C Reese McGuire
23. RHP Nick Howard
24. RHP Devin Williams
25. LHP Rob Kaminsky

I think all of those guys will be in the discussion for the 101, and expect there to be some shuffling in order of course. Definitely more than the average of 16 or 17. (NL Central Top 10s With Nick Faleris)
2014-10-09 15:00:00 (link to chat)Are we wrong to be excited about Michael Lorenzen?
(Mr. Red from Cincinnati)
BP ranked him in the midseason top 50, so I would say we're right here with you. I like him, but don't have him quite that high. For one: what's his out pitch? Two: can he flip a lineup over, and make consistent pitches in the 5th, 6th, 7th innings? I'm not going to hold the latter part against him, nor his struggles down the stretch. He had never thrown more than 40 innings in a season prior to this one. But, the questions are there, and until he answers them, I'm going to be skeptical. (Jordan Gorosh)
2014-06-25 13:00:00 (link to chat)What are your thoughts on Michael Lorenzen? Is he going to stay a starter? One "scouts are saying" said that he could even be better than Stephenson. Is this just hyperbole or is that even 1% possible?
(Norris from Chicago)
That was a real quote from a real scout, so at least someone thinks that that's true, though most of our guys who have seen both seemed to think that it was a little extreme. Still, he's made a complete turnaround this season as far as when it comes to staying as a starter, which has changed his entire profile as a prospect. (Jeff Moore)
2014-06-25 13:00:00 (link to chat)Folow-up to the Michael Lorenzen question... I have heard some people even prefer Ben Lively to Lorenzen. What futures do you see these two?
(LoyalRoyal from Kansas)
Those people aren't watching Lively or Lorenzen in person. I haven't seen either one either, but our guys have and I trust their reports. Lively got off to a great start this year but the stuff isn't dominant. He's a back-end guy. Lorenzen has a number two starter ceiling or could be an impact reliever. Lorenzen is closer to Stephenson than he is to Lively. (Jeff Moore)
2014-06-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)There have been glowing reports and not so glowing on Michael Lorenzen. His strikeouts don't seem to match the natural stuff; also there are reports of a curveball coming along. What have you seen/heard?
(Norris from Chicago)
I've heard some excellent things about Lorenzen. He's new to starting, and was a two way player in college, so the fact he's even having success at the AA level is exciting. I don't believe he has bat missing stuff quite yet, but he's a supreme athlete with some feel for pitching. The profile is more of a mid rotation to good #4 type, but I like him quite a bit. (Jordan Gorosh)
2014-04-29 13:00:00 (link to chat)Wut nu jointz is slammin in ya speakers theez dayz brah?
(Slama Lama from Ding Dong)
I don't know what this question is about but I also got a vote for Michael Lorenzen on that keeper league question. (R.J. Anderson)

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