Greg Holland PD-backs
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|2016-12-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Washington seems to be the likely landing spot for Greg Holland. What other teams would you put as the top-3 (or 5) likeliest landing spots for Holland?|
(Kingpin from Grinnell, IA)
|So, I'd imagine it would be a team with a good medical staff history, some depth to weather the blow if he doesn't pan out, a little bit of cash, and at least a chance to be over .500. So ... I'll go with St. Louis, Washington, Boston, Los Angeles Dodgers, and maybe someone like Detroit.
Oh! Can I digress for a minute? What the heck is going on in Detroit? Are they going to sell or not? I have a feeling something weird / big is coming, but I'm running out of patience. (Bryan Grosnick)
|2015-09-17 14:00:00 (link to chat)||What do you think is the cause of Greg Holland's dramatic dip in velocity? Do you think it's fixable this year? At any time in the future?|
(gpessin from New York City)
|Velocity drops happen to most pitchers over time, but they tend to happen to extreme over-the-top pitchers more often than most. This is mostly anecdotal, mind you, but it's something that I've noticed in my " Under the Gun" series each year. Holland is one of the most extreme examples of spine-tilting over-the-top that you're going to see, and given the possible link to poor posture and shoulder injuries and the shoulder's role in generating velocity, it makes sense that these spine-tilting pitchers would lose velocity more rapidly. I do worry that there is damage to his shoulder. Stay tuned.
Just a side note: I have daddy duty today, so there might be some pauses in the action as I tend to baby Halle. Apologies in advance. (Doug Thorburn)
|2015-02-13 19:00:00 (link to chat)||Just to clarify - drop Greg Holland and keep Wade Davis? Or you thought about Derek Holland?
I'm fighting for championship this year.
Thanks for answer!|
(navarra from Ukraine)
|I thought you meant Derek. Keep Greg, yes. I'd probably drop McCann. (Mike Gianella)|
|2014-10-17 12:00:00 (link to chat)||If I had asked you three months ago what the Royals' offseason would look like, what would you have said? What about now? |
(Justin from KC)
|The biggest difference wrought by these three months, I think, is the Royals will show even more faith in Mike Moustakas. Their needs remain the same: They need an RF, a DH, another starting pitcher and some bullpen help.
Right field: Nori Aoki is a free agent, and he'll certainly play for more than $1.5 million in 2015. KC may make an attempt to retain him.
DH: The Royals have a $12.5 million team option on Billy Butler, and they certainly won't pick it up. He wants to stay, even after an awkward September spent sometimes on the bench. That feeling may not be mutual, but a World Series trophy could alter any potential plans to cut ties with him. Butler is a popular player with the ownership group, and his roots here are deep.
SP: James Shields is a free agent. He'll get a qualifying offer and decline it. If the Royals sign him after that, Andy Martino will cover spring training in a Speedo.
Bullpen: You always need bullpen arms. Here is the one other major difference. It appeared pretty clear throughout the season that the Royals had to make a decision about Greg Holland and Wade Davis. Their total paycheck for 2015 should land around $15 million (give or take $100,000 based on Holland's arbitration figure), and that's a high price to pay for two one-inning relievers. But, of course, this run may alter their internal calculus. Our Sam Mellinger reported the Royals believe they make at least $1 million for every playoff game they host. If they have the spare cash, they may feel its imperative to retain the ingredients of this formula.
That said, relievers are relievers are relievers, and relievers are inherently damaged pitchers. They end up as relievers because there's something wrong with them that prevents them from starting. So they can be volatile. Holland missed a good chunk of September with, essentially, a cranky arm. His triceps was tight. He has the most trade value of the duo, but between his profile as a one-inning reliever and some injury concerns of rival officials, the team won't exactly be able to trade him for a front-line hitter. One suggestion I heard - from neither a Royals official nor a Nationals official - was a fair swap would be Holland for Tanner Roark. I'm not sure the KC front office would be overwhelmed by that offer, but that's the type that could be awaiting them.
All of this is to say: Yes, Moustakas will be back in 2015, despite hitting .212/.271/.361 in 140 games this year. (Andy McCullough)
|2014-08-19 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Greg Holland: closing for ___insert ballclub here___ in 2015.|
(Francois from Toronto)
|Kansas City Royals. (CJ Wittmann)|
|2014-05-02 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Hey Doug, Greg Holland and Kenley Jansen are putting up incredible K rates with high velocity (Jansen is on pace for 150 Ks as a reliever!) Do you see either keeping up this kind of pace over the rest of the season? |
(seabass77 from Milwaukee)
|Both pitchers have posted ridiculous K rates in the past, and though it is tempting to assume that there will be some regression (Jansen just has to regress, right?), the fact that the game is trending more and more toward high strikeout numbers suggests that they could maintain eye-popping numbers.
On the jukebox: Sepultura, "Troops of Doom" (Doug Thorburn)
|2014-02-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Why does it seem so wrong to keep a closer in fantasy leagues? Is this an approach you would avoid? The reason I ask is because I could keep Greg Holland this year at 13th round value and he is projected to go well before that. Thoughts?|
(Clyde from Missouri)
|I'm not a great fantasy player but it's because they only have so much impact, right? A starting pitcher can rack up more innings in one start than a closer can all week, etc.
Without knowing your league I think you're in a much better position to judge, but that seems like positive value to me. (R.J. Anderson)
|2013-09-06 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Doug - To both the good and the bad, which pitcher's results this year most flew in the face of his mechanics? Thanks|
(R.A. Wagman from Thornhhill)
|The good - Probably Greg Holland, who I discussed last week in Raising Aces. His mechanics absolutely do not support such a low walk rate, and he is surviving on pure fastball velocity and sheer movement on the slider.
The bad - Jeremy Hellickson. I really like his delivery overall, and prior to this season he had shown exceptional repetition of mechanical timing, such that Jose Molina could set up outside the borders of the strike zone and expect Helix to hit the location. Most frustrating is that Hellickson has changed his approach with runners on, invoking a slide step on every pitch from the stretch. He used to mix in the occasional slide step from the stretch, but most of his pitches with runners on base were actually better than the windup because he increased his momentum while maintaining a big leg kick, giving him a deeper release point. But his release is very shallow when uses the slide step, and the massive timing difference from windup to stretch has tarnished his repetition this season. The Rays are smart organization, so here's hoping that they can get him to revert back to what worked for the past few seasons.
On the jukebox: Ozzy Osbourne, "Mr. Crowley" (Doug Thorburn)
|2013-02-27 20:00:00 (link to chat)||Romo & Holland are amongst my keepers this season - do both keep their closer jobs all year?|
(Mike from Chi-town)
|I'd say yes to Sergio Romo in all likelihood... keeping in mind that the Giants aren't afraid to switch roles at the earliest sign of trouble. I think Greg Holland will be OK, but Kelvin Herrera is extremely talented. If you're a believer in the skills versus roles thing, Herrera's a guy you'll want to grab in deeper formats. (Mike Gianella)|
|2013-02-27 20:00:00 (link to chat)||Who are some underrated closers to target later in drafts? Do you like Casey Janssen or Jason Grilli?|
(zissou from naples)
|Grill probably falls into the underrated category. There is a lot of noise about Mark Melancon taking Grilli's job, but Grilli's numbers were solid last year and if he's healthy he probably hangs on. Greg Holland's walk rate was high last year, but the other numbers were strong and like Grilli the noise about Holland's set-up might keep the price low. Tom Wilhelmsen is a somewhat low profile but proved himself in 2012. I like Janssen if the health is there but the health gets me nervous. At least at the moment. (Mike Gianella)|
|2013-02-15 12:00:00 (link to chat)||Which lower tier closers have the best chance at becoming elite, if any.|
(rupertoooo from Lorton, VA)
|time to plug my closer matrix article! http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19615 -- I would love to see David Hernandez get a shot at closing. I like Bobby Parnell, Glen Perkins, and Greg Holland. (Jason Collette)|
|2013-02-15 12:00:00 (link to chat)||Are the chances good that Carter Capps and Kelvin Herrera can unseat Tom Wilhemsen and Greg Holland is the (primary) 9th inning option?|
(Mateo from Reno)
|I'd say more for injury than skills as I like both of those incumbents. (Jason Collette)|
|2012-01-12 13:00:00 (link to chat)||What young player(s) on the Royals are you most excited about? |
(Lucas Apostoleris from Massachusetts)
|Eric Hosmer, Alex Gordon (does he still count?), Greg Holland. I'm curious to see if Lorenzo Cain is the real deal. Now that the Royals have some legitimate hitting stars on the corners again, I'd really like to see them solidify the middle of the defense with players who can contribute on both sides of the ball. Obviously the Royals aren't going to have every position filled with a star, but if Cain can be a solid regular in the field and in the lineup, that helps a lot. (Mike Fast)|
|2011-09-26 13:00:00 (link to chat)||One last question and I know it may be early for this one... Any hitters or pitchers you like a breakout candidates next year?|
(Jquinton82 from NY)
|Hm, I like the look of Jerome Williams in a small sample this year. I think Fister and McCarthy may be the real deal, though they're not exactly breakout candidates any more. I like Brian Duensing coming into this season, and still do.
Dave Robertson and Kenley Jansen are two names that will surprise no one, but they could end up in bigger roles. In that vein, Greg Holland for the Royals, Vinnie Pestano for the Indians. And in the this-guys-stuff-intrigues-me-but-his-wildness-scares-me category, plus he has a cool name: Fautino de los Santos. (Mike Fast)
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