Jordan Zimmermann PTigers
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|2015-12-01 14:00:00 (link to chat)||So Detroit trades for K-rod, signs Jordan Zimmermann, and they're STILL behind the Royals?
Everyone knows Ben Zobrist, Alex Gordon, AND Johnny Cueto aren't going back to KC right?|
(DetroitDale from Florida (Eternal Spring Training))
|I didn't say that. I think it's close. Detroit still has a lot of question marks, in my book. So does Kansas City. So does Minnesota. So does everyone. It's the first day of December. (Christopher Crawford)|
|2015-10-27 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Do the Cubs go after back end rotation help or a 1 or 2?|
(BC from Urbandale)
|A full year of Bryant, Russell and Schwarber plus one more top of the rotation starter makes the Cubbies pretty terrifying. I don't see why they could get one of each, but I would target one of the best available arms for sure. If the Price and Greinke contracts scare you off, I wonder if Jordan Zimmermann makes sense as a bit of a compromise. I know it wasn't the greatest contract year for him, but I've always really liked the arm. (Jeffrey Paternostro)|
|2015-06-30 19:00:00 (link to chat)||What do you think of Jordan Zimmermann in dynasty going forward? Should I try to sell him?|
(Grz from ATL)
|I think he'll be OK, although his ERA was a little but too low last year based on his peripherals. This year he's having the opposite problem, though, and he should be doing a little bit better based on his DRA. The defense behind him is hurting a little bit this year. I think Zimmermann is a solid #2 who should put up ERAs in the low to mid-3s; I just wouldn't expect a sub-3 and he's not really a big whiff guy. (Mike Gianella)|
|2015-06-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Better career: Jordan Zimmermann or Noah Syndergaard?|
(Grizz from Chi)
|Syndergaard could end up with a better career, but that's a pretty high bar to clear. Zimm has already had a heck of a career. If Syndergaard ends up with 75 percent of that success Mets fans will be happy. (Jeff Moore)|
|2015-01-15 18:00:00 (link to chat)||Could A.J. Cole kinda look like young Jordan Zimmermann? Both were noted for nice frames,easy deliveries,plus fastballs in the mid 90's and excellent control. The knock on both of them was the lack of a true strikeout secondary pitch. But Zimmermann has been better than expected.|
(Matt from Cambridge)
|Having seen both players from the early stages of their development (Cole in high school and Zimmerman in college), and extensively throughout their careers, I have trouble with this comparison. There are some superficial items that suggest they could be similar, but in the end, I don't think Cole has the type of potential to reach Zimmerman's heights. Cole's more likely to settle into the middle of a rotation than the front. (Mark Anderson)|
|2015-02-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)||If you only sign 1 of next year's FA SP class (potentially David Price, Zack Greinke, Johnny Cueto, Jordan Zimmermann, Jeff Samardzija) who would it be?|
(Shawnykid23 from CT)
|Greinke (Harry Pavlidis)|
|2015-01-21 15:00:00 (link to chat)||With his name popping up in the trade rumors and the no-hitter to end the year, Jordan Zimmermann may not be underrated anymore? Who takes the crown as the most underrated SP now?|
(Shawnykid23 from CT)
|I hear ya - I felt that Zimmer and Bummer were underrated at this time last season, and now they have likely gone the other direction. I wouldn't necessarily call him underrated, but Iwakuma is really good when healthy. There are also certain orgs that I trust, and their pitchers consistently seem to do well - WAS, STL, TB, CLE, OAK... and PIT is getting there. (Doug Thorburn)|
|2014-09-29 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Hi Daniel! It's me, Sam. I have a question for you about the ephemerality of excitement. I think it's conceivable that you (or Chris Mosch) wrote about more baseball games this year than literally any other human being alive. Hundreds upon hundreds, and you brought all the meaning and excitement to us each morning, and it brought the season alive. Good job. Now...
Are we going to remember *any* of this in 15 years? I mean, I submit that the average diehard baseball fan doesn't remember one thing about the 1999 regular season. Or, really, postseason. History compresses events, so we remember some achievements but assign them vaguely to an era or an epoch. It takes a truly special event (of which there is, I hypothesize, usually 0 to 2 per year) that we closely identify with a year. Otherwise, just into the pile.
So, my question is: What are the 0 to 2 this year? What specific detail will we always remember and always associate with this year? Like last year was Puig in the pool. And *maybe* Harper running into the wall.
And, since this is a one-way chat, just to get ahead of you: The answer is not Jordan Zimmermann's no-hitter. That's my whole point--it's never Jordan Zimmermann's no-hitter, no matter how sweaty our palms are while we're watching. |
(Sam from Bay Area)
|Hey Sam! This is another question I've let marinate in the queue so that I could think about my answer.
As a Giants fan, I don't think I'll forget Madison Bumgarner hitting two grand slams any time soon. At the risk of it being too obvious and some recency bias coming into play, Derek Jeter's walkoff single would be my other choice, if I'm limited to two. (Daniel Rathman)
|2014-08-08 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Looking to go all in next year in my 14 team, 15 keeper points league. Have too many keeper quality players and looking to consolidate. Do I trade Price, Gomez, Taveras for Stanton? Would allow me to keep Prince and Jordan Zimmermann as well as Stanton.
(Joe from Seattle)
|I'm ditching Prince in this scenario and keeping the three guys. Giancarlo is great, but you're losing a ton of value in Gomez an his speed with a move like this. (Craig Goldstein)|
|2014-05-29 19:30:00 (link to chat)||Worried at all about Jordan Zimmermann? I know the high BABIP, but at what point is that him being too hittable in the zone or sequencing poorly? |
(Shawnykid23 from CT)
|I'm not super worried, no. I still think Zimmermann is a safe No. 3/potential No. 2 fantasy starter. (Ben Carsley)|
|2014-05-29 19:30:00 (link to chat)||Shawnykid23,If you worry about Jordan Zimmermann, go find Doug Thornburg. His love for Zimmermann is borderline disturbing.|
(Matt from Cambridge)
|Everyone should read Thorburn. He's amazing and you'll genuinely learn a ton about pitching. (Ben Carsley)|
|2014-05-02 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Could you seem Gerrit Cole heading down the Jordan Zimmermann career path? Where the stuff could generate more Ks, but control/weak contract take the front seat?|
(NightmareRec0n from Boston)
|Sure, I could see that, especially with the similarities in repertoire. Of course, Zimmermann has missed the memo so far this year, with a 25% K rate that beats each of the past 3 seasons by 6 percentage points. (Doug Thorburn)|
|2014-05-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Is Jordan Zimmermann's increase in K's (beside his last start against Mets), due to anything specific?|
(Shawnykid23 from CT)
|continued improvement in his changeup and slider would be one step closer to the root, he's becoming less-and-less of a fastball machine (Harry Pavlidis)|
|2014-04-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Dynasty: my Ian Kennedy + Javier Baez for his Jordan Zimmermann + Dylan Bundy. He has pitching excess, I need SP, he could use a 3B next season with Miggy moving to 1B. Fair?|
(AJ from Phoenix)
|I'd do that so hard. I prefer hitting prospects to pitching ones, but this is just too good to pass (Paul Sporer)|
|2014-04-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)||If you could add a 6-grade pitch to any pitcher's repetoire in baseball, who would have the biggest improvement as a result? Ideally, I'd like to know the pitch and the pitcher who would be the happiest marriage.|
(Steve from Philly)
|Such a cool question, Steve.
There are so many guys who could be nuts with a 6-grade changeup. My favorite example is Jordan Zimmermann, who is already there with command of the fastball and both breaking pitches. Give him a cambio and he could be deadly.
Nathan Eovaldi would probably see the greatest gain from adding a changeup, and he was working on refining his change in the off-season, so it will be interesting to see how that pitch develops.
Oh, and can you imagine what Kershaw could do with a 6 CH? (Doug Thorburn)
|2014-02-03 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Keep two: Darvish $30, Cashner $3, Verlander $35, Zimmerman $10, Salazar $3, Jimenez $3, Lee $29.|
(Ryan from Toledo)
|Cashner, Darvish, and I assume you mean Jordan Zimmermann here. (Mauricio Rubio)|
|2014-02-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Speaking of Jordan Zimmermann (my brother was his roommate in college!) is he trade bait at some point next year? Nats have a lot of money going and a lot of pitchers too, maybe someone thinks he's a solid two on a contender and grabs him? (Cubs, Brewers, etc) |
(Colin from Chicago)
|He is a solid two on a contender, but that's the Nationals and it's right now. That would be a shame if he happened to be the odd-man out when it comes to contract extensions, but the Lerner's have tons of money. They are among the games richest owners and have given Mike Rizzo the go ahead to spend a lot of it. Even with their terrible contract situation, I don't see the Nats losing too many players because of financial restrictions. (Jeff Moore)|
|2013-12-20 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Will Stephen Strasburg ever turn out to be the world beater everyone thought he would be, or do his injuries/mechanics limit him to just being very good? Have we already seen his peak?|
(Aidan from SoCal)
|I actually think that Stras' mechanics are awesome, and only when he becomes fatigued does it become an issue - basically his function is top notch, but he has some weak links in the kinetic chain when fatigue compromises the system. I also think that "world beater" is subjective - the guy had a ridiculous K rate above 30% in 2012, and though it slipped to 26% last season, it was by design. The Nats vastly prefer pitch-count efficiency over excessive strikeout totals - just ask Jordan Zimmermann - and in the case of Stras it is particularly critical given the issue of fatigue with respect to his mechanical risk factors. I'll take the 3 ERA and K-per-inning every day of the week and twice on Sunday, and the Nats don't really care if my fantasy team is a little disappointed. I am not ready to say that we have seen his peak, but if we have, then it is more a reflection of just how crazy-good he was pre-surgery than any indictment of his current skills.
On the jukebox: Guns N' Roses, "Mr. Brownstone" (Doug Thorburn)
|2013-09-06 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Have you noticed anything different in Jordan Zimmermann's delivery lately? He hasn't been quite as good as at the beginning of the year. |
(Shawnykid23 from CT)
|It's all in the timing. Paul Sporer assigned Zimmermann to me as homework for a recent episode of TINSTAAPP, and the biggest thing that I noticed was that his repetition of timing - which is typically excellent - has been off, and Zimm is missing targets both in and out of the strike zone. I can't emphasize this enough: Timing is by the far the most critical element to successful pitching in the big leagues.
The Zimm talk is at the 2:18 mark of Episode 13 of TINSTAAPP (that's hours:minutes): http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=21646 (Doug Thorburn)
|2013-07-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Who gets the most starts ROS between Gray, Martinez and Wacha? Thoughts on Zimmermann ROS?|
(Swingers from 330 Monroe Ave)
|In the majors? Martinez & Wacha would have the major edge. Jordan Zimmermann? He's amazing. Only lacks the Ks which keeps him from super-ace status, but everything else is great. (Paul Sporer)|
|2013-07-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Do you have a favorite pitcher to watch? Just someone who really intrigues you/you get excited anytime you turn on a game and he's throwing?|
(bryantloy from Illinois)
|Tons of names come to mind, but my favorite right now is Jordan Zimmermann. I dig his delivery, his pitch-mix, and his approach. He has excellent mechanics as well as room to improve. He doesn't chase strikeouts, which may not be great for your fantasy team, but I am more impressed by those pitchers who can consistently induce weak contact with a great pitch sequence than those who simply blow batters away with smoke and fire. (Doug Thorburn)|
|2013-04-12 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Thoughts on Ross Detwiler? I keep seeing he throws one of the hardest fastballs in MLB for a lefty, yet he doesn't rack up many K's? What is holding him back from jumping to the next level, or his is secondary stuff simply not that good?|
(Shawn from CT)
|Detwiler does throw hard for a lefty (91-95 mph), but the Nats palce an emphasis on efficient at bats and generating weak contact. Detwiler might be able to up the K rate if that was his singular goal, although his slow curve does not have the bite that one would like from a wipeout pitch, and he is probably best served by going with his current approach. The same is true of Jordan Zimmermann, who could almost certainly up the K rate with a change of approach, but his other ratios could very well suffer.
On the jukebox: Cream, "White Room" (Doug Thorburn)
|2013-03-12 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Hey Paul, love the podcast. It's really helped with my auction prep this year. Would you trade Hosmer (keepable for 1-4 years after 2013) for Gallardo (not keepable after this year)? I also have Rizzo, Goldy and Pujols, so I have a 1B to spare. Would there be a better mid-range pitching target? Should I see if I can deal Rizzo instead? Thanks!|
(Bombo Rivera from Bloomington)
|That's pretty fair. Maybe you can get Jordan Zimmermann? This might help, too http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19798 (Paul Sporer)|
|2013-02-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Who is the better value for my last keeper? Cueto in the 8th round or Jordan Zimmermann in the 13th round?
Am I crazy for thinking that Zimmermann has a lot of room left to grow off his 2012 (2 years removed from TJ surgery, only 1 other capable offense in the division, and regularly pitching against other #3 starters (more wins potential)) while Cueto probably peaked last season and is due for regression? |
(Bryan from Commack)
|I wrote about Zimmermann at length in my commentary on last week's mock arb case and concluded that he does have room to improve. Not sure I'd take him over Cueto, though--Cueto may have peaked, but it's a hell of a peak. If Zimmermann were more of a strikeout guy (as I wrote in that article, I think he should be), I might keep him instead, but since he's not now, I'd probably pick Cueto. (Ben Lindbergh)|
|2013-03-01 13:00:00 (link to chat)||What players do you think could breakout this season?|
(Henry from bar)
|In addition to Samardzija, I think that Jordan Zimmermann is on the verge of great things. I also think that Jarrod Parker will continue to take steps forward as he gets further away from TJS and hones his command. Parker gained velocity throughout the season last year, which is a positive indicator for his 2013 performance. (Doug Thorburn)|
|2013-03-01 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Hi Doug, thanks for the chat. You mentioned Jordan Zimmermann and Jarrod Parker as the breakout candidates. What do you think of Matt Harvey and Kris Medlen? Their 2012 season primed in the second half, do you see sustainable success? Please also include Homer Bailey in the conversation if you can.|
(Mounting Point from Fantasyland)
|Huge fan of Harvey. His mechanics are very advanced, with solid grades across the board, and his stuff is beyond legit. I probably should have mentioned him among the breakout guys.
Medlen has a strong delivery that he repeats exceedingly well, though I can't call him a breakout candidate, for the simple reason that I can't imagine him doing better in 2013 than what he showed us while he was on the mound in 2012. He does have some minor inefficiencies with torque and posture that could be improved, but he just has to regress, right? (Doug Thorburn)
|2012-05-17 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Keeper League...looking to move LaHair for some SP. Who would be some of your favorite mid-level starters to target right now? Points league with emphasis on ERA/quality starts. Always looking for upside but need current yr production as well. |
(David from San Diego)
|Maybe try Brandon Morrow, Anibal Sanchez, Jordan Zimmermann, Jake Arrieta, and Chris Sale. (Derek Carty)|
|2012-04-19 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Jordan Zimmermann has pitched like an ace the last two seasons, but has a losing record over that time, because the Nationals simply don't hit when he pitches. It seems that some pitchers are doomed to poor run support. Do you know of any cases in which particular pitchers suffered eerily poor run support over significant stretches of their careers? I don't mean pitchers who labored for terrible teams, but ones that got poor support even if their colleagues did not.|
(HalfStreet from Fairfax VA)
|The first name that comes to mind is Matt Cain, who -- after being denied the win in last night's duel -- remains just 70-73 for his career.
Ted Lilly, in recent years, hasn't had a whole lot of support. He had the fourth-fewest runs scored behind him in 2009 and the third-fewest in 2010.
And, if we're talking about a single season, Ben Sheets in 2004 is in a league of his own. (Daniel Rathman)
|2012-01-30 13:00:00 (link to chat)||I was in Politics and Prose this weekend (ok I was in the pizza joint down the block) and was wondering if you guys would be making it down there again soon. Also, do you see the Nats rotation of Stephen Strasburg, Jordan Zimmermann and Gio Gonzalez being one of the top in the league in the next few years?|
(Charlie from Bethesda, MD)
|We will definitely be there in March, and I know many of us are looking forward to it. As for the Nats' top three, it's an impressive bunch and I'd like to think they will be (or are) among the top in the league right now, but with pitchers it's always good to hedge your bets a little. (Steven Goldman)|
|2011-06-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)||I have a very strong pitching staff in a long term keeper Strat-O-Matic 16 team league and I only need five starters. Which five of these would you keep? Josh Beckett, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Zack Greinke, CJ Wilson, Jordan Zimmermann, Clayton Kershaw, Derek Holland, Alexi Ogando, and Chris Narveson. Keep in mind I can keep them forever.|
(jhardman from Apex, NC)
|Lincecum, Kershaw, Greinke, and Cain seem like obvious choices. I'd probably go with Beckett for the last spot, though Wilson might be safer, given Beckett's age and injury history. (Ben Lindbergh)|
|2010-12-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)||I have read that the Nats might have offered Jordan Zimmermann, Drew Storen, Michael Burgess and danny Espinosa for Zach Greinke. The team gets credit for forging a deal, even if Greinke turned them down. Still, was that a fair price, or were the Nats overpaying if it were true?|
(HalfStreet from Fairfax VA)
|To me, that is too much to surrender IF you cannot sign Greinke to an extension on the spot. Zimmermann is a good young pitcher, and Storen looked great last year as well. Burgess and either Espinosa/Desmond I would gladly give up for Greinke with/without the extension, but the other two would make me hesitate. Now, if Greinke signed a 4-5 year extension after the trade, I could live with it, but this trade made me think of the Carmelo Anthony rumors from a month ago, where he wasn't set on signing an extension with the Nets and then the Nets would end up giving up too many players to the point that they wouldn't have been all that good even WITH Anthony. Valiant effort from the Nats, but I think it is better for their future that they held back here. (Eric Seidman)|
|2010-07-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)||How reasonable should our expectations be for Volquez and the other Zimmerman upon their returning to action? |
(lyndon from Forsaken, OH)
|Someone traded me Jordan Zimmermann ($1 Zimmermann!) in exchange for Jorge Posada, who I was not going to keep. I couldn't hit accept fast enough (I took over a rebuilding keeper league--Posada was kept specifically to do something like this).
I'm not sure if he'll be great in 2010--especially since he may be out until September, but if you're in a keeper league he's a guy worth looking at. Volquez has great stuff but has been a bit overrated because of his first-half performance in his rookie season. I think he'll be good upon his return, but the idea people have in their head of what he is capable of seems distorted to me. (Marc Normandin)
|2010-01-26 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Seriously, what can the Nationals do this off-season to set themselves up to be an actual contender say, I don't know, 5 years from now? (Too optimistic?)?|
(Skippy from Washington, D.C.)
|Trade Josh Willingham for whatever young talent they can get. Make sure Jordan Zimmermann's recovery and rehab go really well. Retroactively not sign Ivan Rodriguez? (Tommy Bennett)|
|2009-08-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Oh boy, Tommy John surgery. Now who will be the third best starter on the Nats in 2010?|
(Charlie from Bethesda)
|You're referring to Jordan Zimmermann, who's getting an 18-month timetable (no, I don't know why - seems ultraconservative unless there's another issue.) I guess we have to assume the Nats will have Strasburg ... then Lannan. Maybe Detwiler? McGeary won't be up quickly. Maybe the guy they got for Nick Johnson? (Will Carroll)|
|2009-07-07 13:00:00 (link to chat)||Is Jordan Zimmermann the real deal? I watched him shut down the red sox at a game a few weeks ago and was very impressed with what I saw.|
(knuckleball from VA)
|Scouty types, including our own Kevin Goldstein, see Zimmermann as a solid #2 starter down the road, and there's certainly enough in his performance - the strikeout, walk and homer rates - to convince me that he's well on his way there. (Jay Jaffe)|
|2009-05-07 14:00:00 (link to chat)||Now that you've seen Jordan Zimmermann pitch a couple time in Majors what's his ceiling?|
(Harold from D.C.)
|Good number three, outside shot at a 2. (Kevin Goldstein)|
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