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Career Summary
Years PA AVG OBP SLG DRC+ WARP
21 10769 .279 .323 .482 116 54.8
Birth Date7-10-1954
Height6' 3"
Weight180 lbs
Age65 years, 4 months, 3 days
BatsR
ThrowsR
WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

YEAR TEAM AGE G PA H 2B 3B HR BB SO HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG DRC+ DRAA BRR FRAA BWARP
1976 MON 21 24 92 20 4 1 0 5 13 0 1 2 .235 .278 .306 76 -2.0 0.3 2.5 0.3
1977 MON 22 139 566 148 26 9 19 34 93 2 21 7 .282 .326 .474 105 6.0 2.6 2.3 2.9
1978 MON 23 157 660 154 24 8 25 30 128 12 28 11 .253 .299 .442 106 6.5 2.2 0.7 3.1
1979 MON 24 155 684 176 24 12 25 27 115 6 35 10 .275 .309 .468 102 4.4 0.6 -9.1 1.7
1980 MON 25 151 638 178 41 7 17 44 69 6 34 9 .308 .358 .492 127 21.6 0.0 8.1 5.1
1981 MON 26 103 441 119 21 3 24 35 50 7 26 4 .302 .365 .553 163 27.9 2.8 21.7 7.2
1982 MON 27 148 660 183 37 7 23 34 96 8 39 10 .301 .343 .498 120 16.3 4.9 16.7 6.1
1983 MON 28 159 698 189 36 10 32 38 81 9 25 11 .299 .338 .539 132 25.5 4.1 4.1 5.8
1984 MON 29 138 583 132 23 6 17 41 80 2 13 5 .248 .301 .409 101 2.4 -0.9 11.7 2.5
1985 MON 30 139 570 135 27 2 23 29 92 4 13 4 .255 .295 .444 101 2.6 -1.4 -4.2 0.8
1986 MON 31 130 546 141 32 2 20 37 79 6 18 12 .284 .338 .478 115 10.3 -0.6 3.3 2.4
1987 CHN 32 153 662 178 24 2 49 32 103 7 11 3 .287 .328 .568 126 21.6 1.8 2.2 3.8
1988 CHN 33 157 640 179 31 8 24 37 73 4 12 4 .303 .344 .504 131 22.3 -3.9 1.6 3.3
1989 CHN 34 118 459 105 18 6 21 35 62 1 8 5 .252 .307 .476 113 7.1 -2.0 6.4 2.1
1990 CHN 35 147 581 164 28 5 27 42 65 2 16 2 .310 .358 .535 140 26.2 -0.2 -2.7 3.6
1991 CHN 36 149 596 153 21 4 31 22 80 5 4 5 .272 .302 .488 114 10.8 -4.1 7.5 2.6
1992 CHN 37 143 582 150 27 2 22 30 70 4 6 2 .277 .316 .456 115 11.8 -4.9 0.0 1.8
1993 BOS 38 121 498 126 29 1 13 17 49 13 2 1 .273 .313 .425 94 -1.8 -1.5 0.5 0.3
1994 BOS 39 75 306 70 18 0 16 9 53 4 2 2 .240 .271 .466 92 -2.1 -1.5 0.0 0.0
1995 FLO 40 79 246 58 10 3 8 9 45 8 0 0 .257 .305 .434 84 -4.2 -0.1 -5.8 -0.5
1996 FLO 41 42 61 16 2 0 2 2 13 1 0 0 .276 .311 .414 77 -1.6 0.3 -1.1 -0.1
Career2627107692774503984385891509111314109.279.323.482116211.3-1.566.454.8

Statistics for All Levels

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg LG G PA oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG BABIP BPF BRAA repLVL POS_ADJ DRC+ DRC+ SD FRAA BRR DRAA BWARP
1976 MON MLB NL 24 92 .255 .307 .364 .278 100 -1.3 2.3 -0.1 76 13 2.5 0.3 -2.0 0.3
1977 MON MLB NL 139 566 .259 .319 .395 .309 98 14.8 15.8 1.1 105 7 2.3 2.6 6.0 2.9
1978 MON MLB NL 157 660 .255 .314 .373 .280 98 7.8 17.2 1.5 106 9 0.7 2.2 6.5 3.1
1979 MON MLB NL 155 684 .264 .323 .387 .300 97 11.1 19.2 1.7 102 10 -9.1 0.6 4.4 1.7
1980 MON MLB NL 151 638 .260 .318 .376 .321 100 29.4 17.1 1.6 127 11 8.1 0.0 21.6 5.1
1981 MON MLB NL 103 441 .255 .314 .367 .292 99 32.8 11.1 1 163 14 21.7 2.8 27.9 7.2
1982 MON MLB NL 148 660 .258 .316 .374 .323 101 26.2 17.8 1.6 120 9 16.7 4.9 16.3 6.1
1983 MON MLB NL 159 698 .257 .319 .379 .292 100 35.1 19.0 1.7 132 10 4.1 4.1 25.5 5.8
1984 MON MLB NL 138 583 .257 .316 .373 .260 93 1.9 15.6 -5.7 101 10 11.7 -0.9 2.4 2.5
1985 MON MLB NL 139 570 .251 .314 .374 .266 91 4.3 15.5 -4.6 101 11 -4.2 -1.4 2.6 0.8
1986 MON MLB NL 130 546 .253 .317 .382 .300 101 11.9 15.1 -5.5 115 12 3.3 -0.6 10.3 2.4
1987 CHN MLB NL 153 662 .261 .321 .404 .274 106 17.3 19.5 -7.2 126 9 2.2 1.8 21.6 3.8
1988 CHN MLB NL 157 640 .248 .306 .362 .309 103 27.8 16.8 -6.1 131 10 1.6 -3.9 22.3 3.3
1989 CHN MLB NL 118 459 .249 .311 .369 .247 107 5.1 12.0 -4.4 113 9 6.4 -2.0 7.1 2.1
1990 CHN MLB NL 147 581 .253 .313 .379 .308 108 30 15.6 -5.7 140 11 -2.7 -0.2 26.2 3.6
1991 CHN MLB NL 149 596 .248 .312 .370 .266 105 14.3 16.1 -5.9 114 10 7.5 -4.1 10.8 2.6
1992 CHN MLB NL 143 582 .252 .311 .368 .281 101 12.4 15.1 -5.5 115 11 0.0 -4.9 11.8 1.8
1993 BOS MLB AL 121 498 .264 .332 .403 .278 103 -4.8 14.3 -8.5 94 9 0.5 -1.5 -1.8 0.3
1994 BOS MLB AL 75 306 .272 .338 .432 .241 103 -10.5 9.3 -5.9 92 16 0.0 -1.5 -2.1 0.0
1995 FLO MLB NL 79 246 .263 .327 .412 .284 103 -2 7.4 -2.3 84 10 -5.8 -0.1 -4.2 -0.5
1995 BRV A+ FSL 3 10 .000 .000 .000 .125 0.0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1996 FLO MLB NL 42 61 .257 .329 .402 .326 97 -0.2 1.9 -0.2 77 15 -1.1 0.3 -1.6 -0.1

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team lvl LG PA AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG ISO SF SH
1976 MON MLB NL 92 85 9 20 4 1 0 26 7 5 13 1 2 .235 .278 .306 .071 0 2
1977 MON MLB NL 566 525 64 148 26 9 19 249 65 34 93 21 7 .282 .326 .474 .192 4 1
1978 MON MLB NL 660 609 84 154 24 8 25 269 72 30 128 28 11 .253 .299 .442 .189 5 4
1979 MON MLB NL 684 639 90 176 24 12 25 299 92 27 115 35 10 .275 .309 .468 .192 4 8
1980 MON MLB NL 638 577 96 178 41 7 17 284 87 44 69 34 9 .308 .358 .492 .184 10 1
1981 MON MLB NL 441 394 71 119 21 3 24 218 64 35 50 26 4 .302 .365 .553 .251 5 0
1982 MON MLB NL 660 608 107 183 37 7 23 303 83 34 96 39 10 .301 .343 .498 .197 6 4
1983 MON MLB NL 698 633 104 189 36 10 32 341 113 38 81 25 11 .299 .338 .539 .240 18 0
1984 MON MLB NL 583 533 73 132 23 6 17 218 86 41 80 13 5 .248 .301 .409 .161 6 1
1985 MON MLB NL 570 529 65 135 27 2 23 235 91 29 92 13 4 .255 .295 .444 .189 7 1
1986 MON MLB NL 546 496 65 141 32 2 20 237 78 37 79 18 12 .284 .338 .478 .194 6 1
1987 CHN MLB NL 662 621 90 178 24 2 49 353 137 32 103 11 3 .287 .328 .568 .282 2 0
1988 CHN MLB NL 640 591 78 179 31 8 24 298 79 37 73 12 4 .303 .344 .504 .201 7 1
1989 CHN MLB NL 459 416 62 105 18 6 21 198 77 35 62 8 5 .252 .307 .476 .224 7 0
1990 CHN MLB NL 581 529 72 164 28 5 27 283 100 42 65 16 2 .310 .358 .535 .225 8 0
1991 CHN MLB NL 596 563 69 153 21 4 31 275 104 22 80 4 5 .272 .302 .488 .217 6 0
1992 CHN MLB NL 582 542 60 150 27 2 22 247 90 30 70 6 2 .277 .316 .456 .179 6 0
1993 BOS MLB AL 498 461 44 126 29 1 13 196 67 17 49 2 1 .273 .313 .425 .152 7 0
1994 BOS MLB AL 306 292 34 70 18 0 16 136 48 9 53 2 2 .240 .271 .466 .226 1 0
1995 BRV A+ FSL 10 10 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 0 .100 .100 .100 .000 0 0
1995 FLO MLB NL 246 226 30 58 10 3 8 98 37 9 45 0 0 .257 .305 .434 .177 3 0
1996 FLO MLB NL 61 58 6 16 2 0 2 24 14 2 13 0 0 .276 .311 .414 .138 0 0

Plate Discipline

YEAR Pits Zone% Swing% Contact% Z-Swing% O-Swing% Z-Contact% O-Contact% SwStr% CSAA

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
1996-08-05 1996-09-07 15-DL 33 31 Right Knee Inflammation - -
1996-05-09 1996-06-30 15-DL 52 44 - Knee Surgery - -
1995-07-03 1995-08-01 15-DL 29 25 - Hip Strain - -
1994-07-20 1994-08-06 15-DL 17 16 Left Knee Inflammation - -
1994-05-25 1994-06-10 15-DL 16 13 Left Knee Surgery Cartilage 1994-05-26 -
1993-05-05 1993-05-25 15-DL 20 18 Right Knee Surgery Cartilage 1993-05-06 -
1992-11-09 1992-11-09 Off 0 0 Left Knee Surgery Cartilage 1992-11-09 -
1989-10-17 1989-10-17 Off 0 0 Right Knee Surgery Cartilage 1989-10-17 -
1989-05-07 1989-06-13 37 32 Right Knee Surgery Cartilage 1989-05-11 -
1986-06-05 1986-06-30 25 23 Right Thigh Strain Hamstring - -
1983-10-05 1983-10-05 Off 0 0 Left Knee Surgery 1983-10-05 -
1982-10-06 1982-10-06 Off 0 0 Right Knee Surgery Bone Spur 1982-10-06 -
1971-10-17 1971-10-17 HS 0 0 Left Knee Surgery Cartilage and Ligament - -

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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2015-07-23 17:00:00 (link to chat)Hey Mike what were your too 5 batting stances to imitate on the sand lot when you were a kid? You do the Julio Franco? The Andre Dawson straight leg? The Youkilis slide? The Craig counsel tower?...what should the kids be imitating from today's game?
(Classberg from Chicago)
I was a pitching guy when I was a kid. I loved emulating Fernando's crazy windup, Ron Guidry, and Tom Seaver. (Mike Gianella)
2013-01-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)When guys like Jim Rice or Andre Dawson are inducted into the Hall of Fame, does that change the standards for new players in JAWS? There is always this argument that if a certain player gets in in, it lowers the bar. Maybe we shouldn't compare potential Hall of Famers to the lowest standard for entrance. Would there be a way to establish a new "bar" for entry?
(Steve from Milwaukee)
Yes, it lowers the standards ever so slightly, but that's stuff to the right side of the decimal, generally; Rice might have knocked a whole point off the standard but that's a huge rarity. So long as we're not comparing players to the well-below-average guys at the position - THIS GUY IS BETTER THAN CHICK HAFEY OR HACK WILSON OR CATFISH HUNTER SO THEREFORE SHOULD BE IN - I think we're OK.

In my series I did note the averages among the BBWAA-elected players at the position, as well as those who are above the median but not the mean (http://bit.ly/WgSH1C). I can see a small-Hall voter focusing on the highest standard there to use that as a reasonable bar. (Jay Jaffe on the Hall of Fame)
2011-09-06 14:00:00 (link to chat)Speaking of the Dodgers ... when is the LAST time a last place team had both the CY and MVP on their team in the same year? I'd say never.
(dianagramr from NYC)
I don't know off the top o' me head. The Cubs didn't have a Cy when Ernie Banks and Andre Dawson were picking up their hardware... (Steven Goldman)
2011-01-05 13:00:00 (link to chat)Andre Dawson won the Rookie of the Year Award.
(JayT from San Francisco)
D'oh! Good point. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-12-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)I must say, the MLB Network is improving fast, it was refreshing to see the fellow co-hosts deride Harold Reynolds for choosing CC as Cy Young for, "knowing how to win", suggesting that King Felix couldve done more to get more W's. I still pine for a Baseball Prospectus program of some wort, whether it be weekly segments or larger, itd be a great, comprehensive way to approach baseball from all levels of knowledge
(Keith7971 from Naugatuck)
Of course I'd love to hear more stathead-slanted analysis over there, but I think they do a great job anyway. One example I have of the sort of thing I take as "progress" is when Reynolds was interviewing Andre Dawson after his induction. One of the first things Reynolds said, IIRC, was something like "of course, some people look at your low on-base percentage and say that's a big negative, but your job was to drive in runs, not get on base, right?" Which, of course, begs the question of how so many outfielders in The Hall managed to both get on base AND drive in runs, but that's not the point. The point is, Reynolds felt it necessary to at least address the issue. That's progress, right?

BTW, that's not to pick on Reynolds, who I enjoy despite some of the things he says, and Dawson, who I think belongs despite the low OBP. (Ken Funck)
2010-08-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)I cannot get anyone to answer this...On September 25, 1989 Andre Dawson hit one of the most bizarre inside the park home runs ever against Montreal. Despite Davy Martinez catching a deep fly ball, he came up injured on the play and was unable to enact a "voluntary and intentional" release of the ball, which is needed to record an out as stated in the MLB rulebook's definition of a catch. On Sunday, a similar play occurred when Dexter Fowler caught a deep fly ball off the bat of Alfonso Soriano. If you watch the replay, he never releases the ball as he is writhing in pain on the ground. In fact, the right fielder picks up Fowler's glove with the ball still in it and holds it while he is being tended to (see on MLB.com replay). Are you aware of this rule and should Soriano have continued around the base paths to score the game tying run?
(Goose from Chicago)
...Can I tell you how much I've come to dislike Firefox? I just don't know what to switch to. It seems like every browser has massive negatives. I like the idea of Chrome, but I've been told it swallows memory, and that's one of my big problems with Firefox... Goose, I love your question, but I'd want to look at some video before answering it. I will take the risk of an uninformed answer and say that the quality of umpiring is so poor, and we've seen so many misapplied rules (like the Don Mattingly thing recently) that I wouldn't be surprised if they just missed it. (Steven Goldman)
2010-08-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)Thanks Steve, I appreciate the attempt at a response. I have never forgotten that HR by Andre Dawson as it is one of the most bizarre rules in baseball that I would guess most are unaware of. I am sure they missed it, but then again Soriano did too and headed back to the dugout.
(Goose from Chicago)
I can only imagine the ensuing brouhaha would have been something like the Pine Tar game. If the umpires didn't know it, I guarantee that the managers didn't either. It's a shame, really. If you read about the old-time managers, like Billy Martin and Durocher, you come across a lot of arguments they won by quoting the rule book (they also got thrown out of a lot of games for doing the same). I don't know that today's managers aren't sitting up at night memorizing the rules, but I assume that they're not. (Steven Goldman)
2010-08-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)Sep 25, 1989 - At Montreal‚ the Cubs blow a chance to clinch a tie in the NL East‚ losing 4-3 in 10 innings‚ but back into the tie anyway when St. Louis lost later on. (As noted by Don Mankowski) Andre Dawson homers twice off Bryn Smith‚ his second a bizarre inside-the-park blow to give the Cubs a 3-2 lead. Dawson flies deep to CF Dave Martinez‚ who catches the ball but suffers a painful muscle-pull doing so and drops to the ground. Dawson keeps running as Martinez's teammates surround him. The ball is finally thrown in after Dawson touches home plate. Although at no time did the ball touch the ground or the fence‚ the umpires award Dawson a homer over the howls of protest. Martinez misses the remainder of the series. http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballplayers/player.php?name=Andre_Dawson_1954&page=chronology
(Grayson from Canada)
Gurgle. (Steven Goldman)
2010-08-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)If it is all about the transfer, then why was Andre Dawson awarded a HR? This is clear evidence that the ball has to be removed from the glove. If there was no precedent here, I would agree. Facts are, in 1989 this happened.
(Kyle from LA)
Well, okay, but the pine tar rule was in the books, too, and they ultimately determined that it was too stupid to enforce as written. Now, I agree that you change it between seasons, not after it has been correctly called, and I think the resolution of the pine tar thing was bogus. What logical reason is there for the rule to be NOT about the transfer? (Steven Goldman)
2010-08-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)Maybe I'm misinterpreting this whole Andre Dawson discussion. But the fielder didn't drop the ball correct? He simply just fell over in pain and stopped moving? How can that be anything other than a catch?
(SaberTJ from Cleveland, OH)
Apparently you have to not only catch, but release. (Steven Goldman)
2010-08-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)I wouldn't let unnamed (nyc) near my daughter unless he was in fact Andre Dawson.
(Geoff from Washington)
We probably have ways of getting her phone number to Andre if you're really interested. (Steven Goldman)
2010-03-08 13:00:00 (link to chat)Will, can you settle - or at least address a question for me. A steroid-obsessed yahoo I know is convinced that Carlos Beltran's knee problems are related to/caused by steroid usage. Avoiding my pointing out, for example, Andre Dawson's knee issues as being rather parallel to Beltran's as a type of player having said problems, he insists that steroids are the cause of the injuries. I suppose my question is twofold, one being perhaps unanswerable. 1) Can steroids be reasonably linked to the kinds of health issues Beltran has had the last few years, and 2) Has Beltran ever been linked to persistent steroid usage? Many thanks for your time.
(gilgamesh from NYC)
1) No, but reason and steroids seldom go together. I'd agree with the Dawson comp.
2) Beltran has never failed a steroid test to my knowledge. Then again, neither had Manny Ramirez until he did. (Will Carroll)
2010-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)Surprised at the vote?
(Tim from Tampa)
Surprised but not terribly so. My conclusion to today's piece:

So with the business of the pitchers concluded, we add Bert Blyleven to the ranks of Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Mark McGwire, Tim Raines, and Alan Trammell on the JAWS 2010 ballot. With the voting results scheduled be announced later today (Wednesday), I wouldn't be at all surprised if that slate draws a blank while Andre Dawson gets in, though I do think Alomar has a decent shot (early returns suggest reasons for optimism) and Blyleven may be nearing the tipping point. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)I'd call this good news for Bert. I was worried he'd stagnate around 62%. do you have the % of the vote for Edgar, Raines and Barry? They don't have it on espn.com. Thanks.
(collins from greenville nc)
539 ballots, five blanks, Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%), Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%), Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%), Jack Morris 282 (52.3%), Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%), Lee Smith 255 (47.3%), Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%), Tim Raines 164 (30.4%), Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%), Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%), Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%), Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%), Dave Parker 82 (15.2%), Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%), Harold Baines 33 (6.1%), Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%), Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%), Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%), Eric Karros 2 (0.4%), Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%), Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%), David Segui 1 (0.2%), Mike Jackson 0, Ray Lankford 0, Shane Reynolds 0, Todd Zeile 0.

Segui gets his vote. Baines remains on life support thanks to the persistence of a stubborn few. Karros receives more votes than he had All-Star appearances. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jay, since I'll be under a pile of work when the HoF announcement is made, I've tried to come up with a question that will cover every conceivable issue raised by the results: What does the (election/stagnant support/dropping off the ballot) of (Andre Dawson/Bert Blyleven/David Segui) say about the BBWAA's general attitude towards (impatient mustache aficionados/Dutch Old Masters/ill-considered bleach jobs)? Does the dramatic falling off of the ballot of (Karros/Raines/McGwire) mean baseball will change the composition of the Veterans Committee in order to better represent (the undead/people with a basic understanding of baseball/chicks who dig the long ball)?
(Nick Stone from New York, NY)
Too funny! I definitely think that the disappearance of Segui from the ballot is a shot across the bow at those ill-considered bleach jobs, and that the road to the Hall just got considerably longer for Mike Piazza, Alex Rodriguez, and Bret Boone. The disappearance of Karros from the ballot means that the VC will be changed to better accommodate the undead. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-04-16 13:00:00 (link to chat)The Andre Dawson "Imagine what his career stats would have been if not for artifical turf" Award
(dianagramr from NYC)
He should have grown a better 'stasche, like Giambi. Then his knees would have better. (Marc Normandin)
2008-12-23 14:00:00 (link to chat)Who had a better career? Andre Dawson or Dale Murphy?
(HonusCobb from Hopedale, IL)
It would be easy to say Murphy, because he was that special for a slightly longer stretch despite both men having superb peaks, but admittedly part of my take is colored by an overreaction to how awful Dawson was in the field on the downslope of his career once his knees were shot, and bad defense, sporadic slugging, and a huge number of outs just doesn't add up for me. (Christina Kahrl)
2008-12-05 14:00:00 (link to chat)Ron Santo is going to get in this time, right? I feel for the guy, it actually matters to him. Rickey Henderson, shoo-in. Jim Rice, inevitable. Blyleven? possible. Is anyone else even anywhere near possible?
(Mike from Chicago)
Thank you for writing my entire JAWS series in a few sentences! The other guy who has a shot this yera is Andre Dawson, who polled 65.9 percent last year. Along with Rice and Blyleven, the only player not to get in after passing 50 percent is Hodges, so the odds are strong in favor of an eventual enshrinement. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-09-23 13:30:00 (link to chat)Hi Joe .... thanks for the chat ... With all the injuries to frontrunners in the AL MVP race, is there a shot Grady Sizemore pulls an Andre Dawson and wins it with a sub-.500 team?
(dianagramr from NYC)
Not a one. I don't thihk I've seen his name mentioned in any mainstream article. He's batting .270, he doesn't have huge RBIs and his team never contended. It wouldn't be like Andre Dawson winning; it'd be like Rosario Dawson winning. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-01-22 19:00:00 (link to chat)Which team has gotten the most screwed over in the Hall of Fame vote? That is, which team has the most deserving guys who never made it? I think the list begins with the Cubs, who have two third basemen who are probably better than half of the guys currently enshrined at their position.
(Josh from San Jose, IL)
I don't know if this is a team-by-team issue. The two most deserving men who are not in the Hall who should be are, in my opinion, Ron Santo and Bert Blyleven. One is a Cub, the other was many things. They might land themselves a HoFer who doesn't belong, too, in the person of Andre Dawson. Let's not forget that of Tinkers to Evers to Chance, only Chance has a truly legit case for inclusion. That probably balances the Santo slighting on the eternal Cubs ledger. (Jim Baker)
2008-01-15 14:30:00 (link to chat)Jim Rice is one more reason to hate the ever present East Coast bias. He wasn't even as good as Andre Dawson.
(Gray from Chicago)
I feel like every time I convince my dad that Rice isn't a Hall of Famer, some local writer messes up all of my hard work with a newspaper article. (Marc Normandin)
2008-01-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)my prediction: Goose in. Rice misses by an extremely small margin. Much, much bleating commences over the voters who submitted blanks to protest roids users, thus depriving the "deserving" pre-roids slugger.
(TomH from Lexington Park MD)
The Goose is Loose! He gets 85.8 percent, and he's the only one who gets in on this ballot.

Rice falls just shy at 72.2 percent, setting him up for a 15th-year push.

Raines 24.3 percent. Oh is that ugly.

Player Total Votes Percentage Rich Gossage 466 85.8% Jim Rice 392 72.2% Andre Dawson 358 65.9% Bert Blyleven 336 61.9% Lee Smith 235 43.3% Jack Morris 233 42.9% Tommy John 158 29.1% Tim Raines 132 24.3% Mark McGwire 128 23.6% Alan Trammell 99 18.2% Dave Concepcion 88 16.2% Don Mattingly 86 15.8% Dave Parker 82 15.1% Dale Murphy 75 13.8% Harold Baines 28 5.2% Rod Beck 2 0.4% Travis Fryman 2 0.4% Robb Nen 2 0.4% Shawon Dunston 1 0.2% Chuck Finley 1 0.2% David Justice 1 0.2% Chuck Knoblauch 1 0.2% Todd Stottlemyre 1 0.2%
Jose Rijo 0 0% Brady Anderson 0 0% (Jay Jaffe)
2008-01-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)Jay, please explain to me how writers could even consider Jim Rice a more viable HoF candidate than Andre Dawson. East Coast bias is my only answer. The Hawk was in the discussion as best player during the 1980s, Rice never was. Andre Dawson was the Vlad Guerrero of his time, power, speed, canon arm...these results make me sick.
(Gray from Chicago)
It's a BS distinction based on the supposed Decade Of Fear in which Rice made pitchers mess themselves at the mere mention of his name. As someone (Rob Neyer?) pointed out, that decade lasted three years (1977-1979).

Rice's candidacy is a product of the inflation of his stats by Fenway and of his legend by some big-name Boston writers who probably feel more than a twinge of guilt over the shoddy reception he got in Boston during his career (read Howard Bryant's Shut Out if you want the details of that). I'm not dismissing the impact of that treatment on his career, but I don't think it's enough to elevate him. (Jay Jaffe)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2008-10-22 16:30:00World Series Game One"Jon (DC): Just curious Steven, who would you have voted for in the NL in 1987: either Clark, Raines?"

Neither. Ozzie Smith. Alan Trammell in the AL. And those are first guesses -- said so at the time. Nearly lost some teeth to a fellow high school student who was a big Andre Dawson fan...

...That guy is now an ardent Republican.
(Steven Goldman)
2008-10-10 13:30:00Friday LCSI'm just saying I can't see them paying 12+ for a 35 yr old, Joe. Maybe on a one year deal if the market goes all Andre Dawson this year. (Will Carroll)