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Career Summary
Years G IP W L SV ERA WARP
19 537 3562.7 270 153 0 3.68 102.9
Birth Date12-8-1968
Height6' 2"
Weight185 lbs
Age49 years, 7 months, 10 days
BatsL
ThrowsR
WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

Historical (past-seasons) WARP is now based on DRA..
cFIP and DRA are not available on a by-team basis and display as zeroes(0). See TOT line for season totals of these stats.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA- WARP
1991 BAL MLB 12 12 87.7 4 5 0 77 21 52 7 .269 100 7.9 2.2 0.7 5.3 37% .261 .232 1.12 3.51 2.87 103 4.34 100.5 0.9
1992 BAL MLB 32 32 241.0 18 5 0 212 48 130 16 .267 97 7.9 1.8 0.6 4.9 37% .258 .232 1.08 3.19 2.54 91 3.55 86.2 4.1
1993 BAL MLB 25 25 167.7 14 6 0 163 44 117 20 .259 101 8.7 2.4 1.1 6.3 44% .281 .246 1.23 3.98 4.46 91 3.76 81.2 3.5
1994 BAL MLB 24 24 176.3 16 5 0 163 42 99 19 .265 99 8.3 2.1 1.0 5.1 43% .261 .232 1.16 4.20 3.06 102 3.88 78.2 3.9
1995 BAL MLB 32 32 221.7 19 9 0 187 50 158 24 .266 99 7.6 2.0 1.0 6.4 39% .251 .219 1.07 3.81 3.29 91 3.09 63.3 6.7
1996 BAL MLB 36 36 243.3 19 11 0 264 69 204 31 .271 98 9.8 2.6 1.1 7.5 45% .318 .258 1.37 4.11 4.81 83 3.63 71.7 6.4
1997 BAL MLB 33 33 224.7 15 8 0 197 54 218 27 .264 94 7.9 2.2 1.1 8.7 49% .282 .226 1.12 3.52 3.20 70 2.79 58.0 7.5
1998 BAL MLB 29 29 206.3 13 10 0 189 41 175 22 .264 94 8.2 1.8 1.0 7.6 48% .282 .230 1.11 3.56 3.49 73 2.48 51.4 7.7
1999 BAL MLB 31 31 203.3 18 7 0 207 52 172 16 .264 96 9.2 2.3 0.7 7.6 50% .318 .240 1.27 3.30 3.50 72 2.84 55.2 7.4
2000 BAL MLB 34 34 237.7 11 15 0 236 46 210 28 .262 91 8.9 1.7 1.1 8.0 57% .297 .234 1.19 3.60 3.79 67 2.84 54.6 8.7
2001 NYA MLB 34 34 228.7 17 11 0 202 42 214 20 .261 95 8.0 1.7 0.8 8.4 47% .289 .223 1.07 2.96 3.15 66 2.77 57.5 7.6
2002 NYA MLB 33 33 215.7 18 10 0 208 48 182 27 .262 96 8.7 2.0 1.1 7.6 48% .290 .247 1.19 3.73 4.05 79 3.14 67.4 5.9
2003 NYA MLB 31 31 214.7 17 8 0 192 40 195 21 .269 100 8.0 1.7 0.9 8.2 45% .287 .221 1.08 3.14 3.40 67 2.38 49.8 8.0
2004 NYA MLB 27 27 164.7 12 9 0 178 40 132 22 .261 103 9.7 2.2 1.2 7.2 45% .311 .253 1.32 4.05 4.59 84 3.24 66.8 4.6
2005 NYA MLB 30 30 179.7 13 8 0 199 47 142 23 .263 102 10.0 2.4 1.2 7.1 45% .322 .263 1.37 4.03 4.41 83 3.57 76.8 3.9
2006 NYA MLB 32 32 197.3 15 7 0 184 35 172 22 .259 107 8.4 1.6 1.0 7.8 43% .284 .221 1.11 3.50 3.51 71 2.42 49.3 7.2
2007 NYA MLB 28 27 152.0 11 10 0 188 35 91 14 .265 103 11.1 2.1 0.8 5.4 44% .340 .268 1.47 4.07 5.15 95 3.41 70.6 3.8
2008 NYA MLB 34 34 200.3 20 9 0 214 31 150 17 .263 104 9.6 1.4 0.8 6.7 50% .321 .245 1.22 3.34 3.37 75 3.52 75.1 4.5
CareerMLB5375363562.7270153034607852813376.264988.72.00.97.145%.292.2381.193.623.68803.1365.7102.9

Statistics for All Levels

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA-
1990 HAG AA 7 7 42.3 3 0 0 34 7 40 1 .000 7.2 1.5 0.2 8.5 0% .000 .000 0.97 1.77 1.49 0 0.00 0.0
1990 ROC AAA 2 2 13.3 0 0 0 8 4 15 2 .000 5.4 2.7 1.4 10.2 0% .000 .000 0.90 3.52 1.35 0 0.00 0.0
1991 BAL MLB 12 12 87.7 4 5 0 77 21 52 7 .269 100 7.9 2.2 0.7 5.3 37% .261 .232 1.12 3.51 2.87 103 4.34 100.5
1991 ROC AAA 19 19 122.3 10 4 0 108 31 107 9 .000 7.9 2.3 0.7 7.9 0% .000 .000 1.14 3.07 2.87 0 0.00 0.0
1992 BAL MLB 32 32 241.0 18 5 0 212 48 130 16 .267 97 7.9 1.8 0.6 4.9 37% .258 .232 1.08 3.19 2.54 91 3.55 86.2
1993 BAL MLB 25 25 167.7 14 6 0 163 44 117 20 .259 101 8.7 2.4 1.1 6.3 44% .281 .246 1.23 3.98 4.46 91 3.76 81.2
1993 BOW AA 2 2 8.0 1 0 0 5 1 10 0 .000 5.6 1.1 0.0 11.2 0% .000 .000 0.75 1.05 2.25 0 0.00 0.0
1994 BAL MLB 24 24 176.3 16 5 0 163 42 99 19 .265 99 8.3 2.1 1.0 5.1 43% .261 .232 1.16 4.20 3.06 102 3.88 78.2
1995 BAL MLB 32 32 221.7 19 9 0 187 50 158 24 .266 99 7.6 2.0 1.0 6.4 39% .251 .219 1.07 3.81 3.29 91 3.09 63.3
1996 BAL MLB 36 36 243.3 19 11 0 264 69 204 31 .271 98 9.8 2.6 1.1 7.5 45% .318 .258 1.37 4.11 4.81 83 3.63 71.7
1997 BAL MLB 33 33 224.7 15 8 0 197 54 218 27 .264 94 7.9 2.2 1.1 8.7 49% .282 .226 1.12 3.52 3.20 70 2.79 58.0
1998 BAL MLB 29 29 206.3 13 10 0 189 41 175 22 .264 94 8.2 1.8 1.0 7.6 48% .282 .230 1.11 3.56 3.49 73 2.48 51.4
1999 BAL MLB 31 31 203.3 18 7 0 207 52 172 16 .264 96 9.2 2.3 0.7 7.6 50% .318 .240 1.27 3.30 3.50 72 2.84 55.2
2000 BAL MLB 34 34 237.7 11 15 0 236 46 210 28 .262 91 8.9 1.7 1.1 8.0 57% .297 .234 1.19 3.60 3.79 67 2.84 54.6
2001 NYA MLB 34 34 228.7 17 11 0 202 42 214 20 .261 95 8.0 1.7 0.8 8.4 47% .289 .223 1.07 2.96 3.15 66 2.77 57.5
2002 NYA MLB 33 33 215.7 18 10 0 208 48 182 27 .262 96 8.7 2.0 1.1 7.6 48% .290 .247 1.19 3.73 4.05 79 3.14 67.4
2003 NYA MLB 31 31 214.7 17 8 0 192 40 195 21 .269 100 8.0 1.7 0.9 8.2 45% .287 .221 1.08 3.14 3.40 67 2.38 49.8
2004 NYA MLB 27 27 164.7 12 9 0 178 40 132 22 .261 103 9.7 2.2 1.2 7.2 45% .311 .253 1.32 4.05 4.59 84 3.24 66.8
2004 COH AAA 1 1 3.0 0 0 0 2 0 5 0 .000 6.0 0.0 0.0 15.0 0% .333 .000 0.67 -0.08 0.00 0 0.00 0.0
2005 NYA MLB 30 30 179.7 13 8 0 199 47 142 23 .263 102 10.0 2.4 1.2 7.1 45% .322 .263 1.37 4.03 4.41 83 3.57 76.8
2006 NYA MLB 32 32 197.3 15 7 0 184 35 172 22 .259 107 8.4 1.6 1.0 7.8 43% .284 .221 1.11 3.50 3.51 71 2.42 49.3
2007 NYA MLB 28 27 152.0 11 10 0 188 35 91 14 .265 103 11.1 2.1 0.8 5.4 44% .340 .268 1.47 4.07 5.15 95 3.41 70.6
2008 NYA MLB 34 34 200.3 20 9 0 214 31 150 17 .263 104 9.6 1.4 0.8 6.7 50% .321 .245 1.22 3.34 3.37 75 3.52 75.1

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT
2008 3082 0.5419 0.4114 0.8691 0.5533 0.2436 0.8929 0.8052 0.1309
Career30820.54190.41140.86910.55330.24360.89290.80520.1309

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2007-04-12 2007-05-03 15-DL 21 16 Left Thigh Strain Hamstring -
2006-08-21 2006-09-05 15-DL 15 14 Right Groin Strain -
2004-07-07 2004-08-18 15-DL 42 37 Right Elbow Tightness -
1998-05-15 1998-06-06 15-DL 22 21 - Fracture with Facial Lacerations From Batted Ball - -
1998-04-17 1998-05-03 15-DL 16 15 - Fingers Dermatological Issue Wart on Finger - -
1993-07-22 1993-08-20 15-DL 29 26 Right Shoulder Soreness - -
1993-06-23 1993-07-02 15-DL 9 9 Right Shoulder Soreness - -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2008 NYA $11,500,000
2007 NYA $11,500,000
2006 NYA $19,000,000
2005 NYA $19,000,000
2004 NYA $16,000,000
2003 NYA $12,000,000
2002 NYA $11,000,000
2001 NYA $10,000,000
2000 BAL $6,786,032
YearsDescriptionSalary
9 yrPrevious$116,786,032
9 yrTotal$116,786,032

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
17 y 66 dArn Tellum SFX

Details
  • 2 years/$23M (2007-08). Re-signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 11/06. $1M signing bonus. 07:$11M, 08:$11M. No-trade protection. $3M annually deferred without interest. Retired 11/08.
  • 6 years/$88.5M (2001-06), plus 2007 club option. Signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/00. $12M signing bonus (paid over 6 years). 01:$8M, 02:$9M, 03:$10M, 04:$14M, 05:$17M, 06:$17M, 07:$17M club option ($1.5M buyout). No-trade clause. Yankees declined $17M 2007 option.
  • 3 years (1998-2000). Signed extension with Baltimore 5/97.
  • 1 year/$6.825M (1997). Re-signed by Baltimore 2/97.
  • 1 year/$0.775M (1994)
  • 1 year/$0.45M (1993)
  • 1 year/$0.1525M (1992)
  • drafted 1990 (1-20) (Stanford)

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DateQuestionAnswer
2013-02-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)All-time favorite player to watch and why?
(Shawn from CT)
Mike Mussina is up there. So many pitches, such great control. Really was a pleasure to watch him work. Also just a generally well-groomed guy. Grooming is important.

I hope what figures to be an endless debate about his Hall of Fame credentials doesn't tarnish those memories for me. (Ben Lindbergh)
2013-01-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)Chances Andy Pettitte makes it to the Hall with voters making steroid users wait a few years on the ballot?
(Brian from College Station, TX)
Another one from the Twitter files. I think Pettitte has a significantly uphill battle ahead of him. Even with a strong postseason resume, he doesn't have a Cy Young award or much in the way of All-Star appearances (3), and he's just 92nd in JAWS among starting pitchers, with a peak that's 15.6 points off the standard and a career that's 13.9 short. He comes nowhere close to measuring up to the wave of non-300 win guys reaching the ballot in 2013-2015 - Schilling, Mike Mussina, John Smoltz and Pedro Martinez. He's been one of my favorite players, but I wouldn't vote for him. (Jay Jaffe on the Hall of Fame)
2012-04-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)While most people say Roy Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, am I crazy to think he's only a borderline Hall Of Famer right now?
(Andrew Stoeten from drunkjaysfans.com)
Given that we've seen just one starter get into the Hall with less than 300 wins over the past 20 years, I don't think you're crazy to say that at all. Halladay's at 190, and I think he's going to have to push well into the 240-250 range to satisfy the traditionalists. It helps that there's going to be a whole wave of non-300 win pitchers coming along (Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz, Mike Mussina and Curt Schilling) who are pretty fair candidates in their own rights, with considerable hardware and postseason resumes of their own. I think he gets there, but he's not a lock. (Jay Jaffe)
2011-11-30 13:00:00 (link to chat)How many more "Halladay like" seasons does Halladay need to have before he's a lock for the Hall Of Fame?
(Kristina from Arizona)
A lock? I'd say 3-4. The voters haven't been very forgiving of guys with less than 300 wins (1 in 20 years, Blyleven) and they're about to get a slew of them for review (Pedro Martinez, John Smoltz, Curt Schilling, Mike Mussina) along with the 300-winners (Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, Johnson). The Cys are a great building block but Halladay still has work do do. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-09-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)How much are you missing Mike Mussina right now? I feel like baseball needs more folks nicknamed "Moose", don't you?
(Reej from Dell Warehouse)
The next ballplayer to come out of Canada will be nicknamed thus. (Marc Normandin)
2010-04-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)How many more Halladay like seasons does Hallady need before he has done enough to qualify for the Hall Of Fame?
(Ron from Vancouver)
That's more Jay's area than mine, but I think he's really close now. 13 seasons, a Cy, multiple ASG appearances, and one of, if not the best, pitcher in the game for a period of time. He's on the low end of it, with guys like Mike Mussina and Andy Pettitte, but a couple more years like this one and he walks in easy. Interesting thing is how his early career struggles may have made this possible. He never hit 200 innings until he was 25. He'll be an easy 200 game winner and part of how we re-define the term "Hall of Fame pitcher." (Will Carroll)
2009-11-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)Is this year's Greinke the version you expected to see all those years ago when he came up? How good can this guy eventually be in a historical context if this season was a glimpse of years to come?
(Joel from GA)
This was a peak season in what will be a very strong career. Mike Mussina is a pretty good comp in about a million ways. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-10-28 14:00:00 (link to chat)Worse World Series for the Mets (Phillies vs. Yankees), Indians (two former pitchers squaring off in Game 1), or Mike Mussina (got to the Yankees a year after a World Series and they get back the year he leaves)?
(Rohan from Bali)
Mets, Mets, Mets. I think Jon Stewart said it best on the Daily Show the other night:

"I hate the Yankes and the Phillies. I'm a Mets' fan, so for me, [Sunday] night was like coming home... and catching your wife ----ing the Yankees and the Phillies." (Jay Jaffe)
2009-10-20 14:00:00 (link to chat)Well, this is it: proof that Sheehan's really from Tokyo. He's just voided his lucrative BP contract, taken his bat & ball, & headed for home. Re. Suzuki: is this the most $ you can think of being just left on the table? I can think of guys passing down coin in new contracts (Latrell Sprewell anyone?), but not just punting on a current one.
(Jim Clancy from Exhibition Stadium)
There have also been guys who've walked away when they would clearly be able to get a lot of money, such as Will Clark, Larry Walker and Mike Mussina. Johjima's decision is surprising, and a fantastic gift for the Mariners. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-08-19 14:00:00 (link to chat)The belief that the era of the 300-game winner ended with Randy Johnson seems to be pretty widespread. What kind of career numbers will the 21st-century starting pitcher have to post to be perceived as a "lock" Hall of Famer? Will 200 become the new 300?
(David from Evanston, IL)
The BBWAA hasn't elected a non-300 win starting pitcher since Ferguson Jenkins in 1990, so it's unclear exactly how good one will have to be. I examined this question last year and concluded that John Smoltz, Curt Schilling, Mike Mussina and Pedro Martinez -- all with 200+ wins, high strikeout totals and a solid handful of other accomplishments -- are all qualified to go in, and that Pedro's probably got the best shot from a traditional standpoint due to his high peak. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-07-24 16:30:00 (link to chat)Not expecting a followup but I think I may be underestimating Sanchez to an extent just because of the hype. If you do have time - Sanchez would be #5 this year and possibly my #4 next year as I will lose Mike Mussina (Beckett, Peavy, Lohse, Braden, Laffey round out the staff). I have Mark Ellis/Blake DeWitt platooning at 2B this year. I guess the question is: am I going to kick myself for getting rid of Kendrick after holding out to him for the last four years? I see his K/UIBB ratio is much improved this year but thats about it.
(Jm from Tucson)
If I'm in your shoes I take a chance on Kendrick since it isn't as if Sanchez makes or breaks your rotation. (Eric Seidman)
2009-06-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)Mussina won 20 last year. I think that gets him over the hump. I think people tend to lump him in with the Greg Maddux's of the world. Maybe not a first balloter, but I think he's a certainty.
(shamah from NYC)
I'm aware of that. He's still the "almost" guy.

I like Mike Mussina as much as anyone, and I'll tell you right now that no one on this planet lumps him in with "the Greg Maddux's of the world." Nor should they. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-01-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jeff Kent - Hall of famer?
(leitch71 from Baltimore)
I'm considering taking up this question -- and that of other recent retirees like Greg Maddux and Mike Mussina -- for my next piece, so I'll withhold comment until then.

Apologies for the technical difficulties thus far. The epically slow load times I'm experiencing on this end have me needing to reset the chat. Back momentarily... (Jay Jaffe)
2008-12-05 14:00:00 (link to chat)What do you think is the biggest gap between real and perceived HoF credentials going for an active player? I thought of Jeter, but even knocked back a few pegs from McCarver's love fest, he's a HoFer in most people's books. Maybe another way of putting it is who's the next Bert? The next Rice?
(Jim Clancy from Exhibition Stadium)
The next Bert arrived last year. His name is Tim Raines. Mike Mussina will be the next Bert on the 2014 ballot.

The next Rice may well be Sammy Sosa, whose low OBP and dearth of accomplishment after Age 35 hamstring his case along with the very vague allegations of PED use. That's not a true parallel to Rice except in the "overrated feared slugger who wasn't valuable for all that long" department. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-10-24 14:00:00 (link to chat)Looking back over 2008, what players do you think cemented their future HOF inductions? What players dented their chances?
(Mike from Texas)
I'm a big believer that his first 20-win season put Mike Mussina over the top. Walking away after doing so may be a statement-maker that plays well with the BBWAA electorate down the road, but I don't know that for sure.

On the other hand, Gary Sheffield looks pretty cooked, and while he'll get past 500 homers next year, he's not gonna go much higher than that, and it likely leaves him on the borderline before considering his rather unique collection of baggage. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-09-24 14:00:00 (link to chat)After laughing at that question. What do you really think of McAllister?
(Mike from Utica,NY)
See is that how this works. McAllister to Halladay is the new version of Tyler Clippard = Mike Mussina for those fans with the rose-colored glasses? He's another control type without a ton of ceiling, but I do like him as a potential back of the rotation type. Just because he's 6-6, 240 doesn't make him the next Halladay. I have a buddy Dave in Boston, he's about 6-8 and that doesn't make him the next Carmelo Anthony either. (Kevin Goldstein)
2008-09-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)In the CouldaWouldaShoulda HOF, David Wells needs to be in the discussion, partially because of his own poor conditioning, but partially because he stupidly wasn't given a full-time spot in a rotation until he was 30 years old. I know sabermatricians devalue wins, but even given THAT, he still went 239-157 for his career. It's not hard to argue that with better managing and fewer cheeseburgers, he would have had a better career than Mike Mussina.
(Razz from New York, NY)
Regarding his conditioning, it certainly hasn't been much of a detriment - the guy's stellar K/BB ratios testify to his ability to repeat his motion despite his ever-increasing girth, at least up to his age 42 season. I see no reason to make allowances one way or the other for his conditioning when considering his Hall of Fame case except to marvel at what he did accomplish.

You're on more solid ground regarding his use pattern, though it's also worth noting he had TJ surgery in 1985 and shoulder surgery in '86), so his durability wasn't exactly a known commodity early in his career. But he still can't come close to touching the Moose, value-wise, because of his put-it-in-play style of pitching versus Mussina's high strikeout rates. Mussina has about a 30-WARP edge because of that. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-07-30 12:30:00 (link to chat)Laird for Mike Mussina? Fair or no?
(Pete from Dallas)
Not fair. They need a pitcher back who is younger and will be around a lot longer. (John Perrotto)
2008-07-03 13:00:00 (link to chat)Thanks for the chat. I'm in a keeper league where the only pitching stats that count are innings pitched and runs (both earned and unearned) allowed. I'm thinking of trading Brian Bannister and Leo Nunez for Mike Mussina. Are my frustrations with Bannister leading to a bad move? Another wrinkle: whoever has Bannister would have control over him for the next few years, whoever has Mussina would be stuck with him next year as well, but I want to win this year. Thanks!
(Dennis from LA)
I think I'd do that. As much as I love Bannister's cerebral approach to the game and want to root for him, I don't want to touch him on any of my leagues. The blowup potential is just too high. Don't mistake that with an endorsement of Mussina - he's getting by now, but I think that dissipating strikeout rate is really scary. But ... he will get you those innings, and he's safer than Banny right now. (Jeff Erickson)
2008-06-20 13:30:00 (link to chat)Mike Mussina's resurrection has me wondering if he solidifies his HOF resume simply by winning 20 games this season. It gets that stupid monkey off his back, which has been used way too often by lazy analysts eager to write off the underrated Moose. Your thoughts?
(tommybones from brooklyn)
Sorry about that. I'm all yours for the next few hours.

I don't know if one 20-win season gets him over the top. Despite having had some amazing postseason starts, he doesn't have a rep as a big-game guy, and increasingly, Hall of Fame voting is about impressions rather than information. Mussina is a low-end HoF guy in my book, and would be helped by one or two more seasons like this, 20 wins or no. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-04-25 15:00:00 (link to chat)Is there a point in a borderline HOF career where the player is better off retiring than padding counting stats at the expense of pct. stats and reputation? I'm looking at Mike Mussina right now.
(tommybones from new york)
Sheffield seems to be a better answer to this than the Moose, whose numbers are well over the JAWS threshold (117.8/64.3/91.1 compared to 105.7/67.5/86.6 for the average HOF P) even if the perception lags behind. To me, I think we've seen enough great pitchers dragged off the mound kicking and screaming, having milked every last ounce of their ability for anyone's perceptions to be damaged by those final, futile days.

Which reminds me, for some reason, of one of the classiest thing I ever saw on a diamond. When Orel Hershiser tried to eke one last year out of his career with the Dodgers, he got knocked around pretty consistently, culminating in an eight-run, 1.2-inning bombing. Rather than boo him, the Dodger Stadium crowd picked up on the fact that the end of the line had arrived for Hershiser, and gave him an incredible standing ovation.

I think I have something in my eye... (Jay Jaffe)
2008-04-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)Can you tell the mainstream fan and media people that Joba should be in the rotation and not in the bullpen. Sure the 8th inning is important but when you have Mike Mussina in your rotation, you take the unknown big time talented arm right?
(Tim from NY)
Joba should be in the rotation and not in the bullpen. How's that? (Kevin Goldstein)
2008-03-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you think of Mike Mussina saying that he has never really worked out in the offseason and that this year he really did for the first time? What are the chances that since he's such a smart player, and his body may be in better shape than it was over the last few seasons, that he can be an effective starter?
(Charlie from Washington, DC)
I think there's a better chance than if we were talking about David Wells or someone like that, but Mussina's velocity has dropped off so severely that unless he really has something new and unexpected to show the batters, I worry that all his intelligence and exercise may come to naught. I'm open to being proved wrong, natch. Heck, I'd like to be proved wrong. (Steven Goldman)
2008-01-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which young pitcher is comparable to Mike Mussina?
(Brian from CA)
Zack Greinke, in many ways.

A more traditional comp would be Justin Verlander. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Did people ever saw Mike Mussina in his Baltimore and early yankee years? The guy had a good fastball and one of the nastiest curves in all of baseball and his stats are very good. Why do people underrate this guy and always get compaerd to prospects (Ian and Tyler) who wish they had they had his stuff.
(Will from PA)
I actually do wonder if Mussina will end he career underrated because he never had that one crazy year. He was pretty much always good though. He finished in the top six of the cy voting EIGHT times. (Kevin Goldstein)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2009-10-16 13:00:00NLCS Game Two/ALCS Game OneA year out of date, but compare the peak scores of these then-active pitchers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7451

Roger Clemens: 83.9
Greg Maddux 86/0
Randy Johnson 77.3
Pedro Martinez 68.8
Curt Schilling 65.9
Mike Mussina 64.3
Tom Glavine 63.7
John Smoltz 58.5
Avg HoF SP 67.2
(Jay Jaffe)
2008-10-22 16:30:00World Series Game OneDespite my earlier attack on Budweiser, I do like "pitchability" as a term. It's something that would otherwise probably be termed "pitching smarts" but there often isn't any actual intelligence to it--just a feel for how to pitch. Not everyone with pitchability is Mike Mussina. (Derek Jacques)
2008-10-10 13:30:00Friday LCSJames Shields is a guy who if they showed a mirror image of, as a lefty, he'd make more sense. (Wow, tortured sentence ...) I was looking for a comparable and thought Mike Mussina, but Mussina had a sick run from 23-26. Anyone? (Will Carroll)
 

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