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Birth Date10-4-1978
Height6' 2"
Weight215 lbs
Age39 years, 9 months, 14 days
BatsR
ThrowsR
2.42014
-0.92015
-0.42016
2017
-0.32018
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WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

Historical (past-seasons) WARP is now based on DRA..
cFIP and DRA are not available on a by-team basis and display as zeroes(0). See TOT line for season totals of these stats.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA- WARP
2001 MIN MLB 19 16 90.3 4 7 0 102 29 64 16 .263 99 10.2 2.9 1.6 6.4 46% .302 .287 1.45 5.20 5.68 104 5.32 110.2 0.5
2002 MIN MLB 32 31 180.7 13 8 0 181 70 124 26 .263 97 9.0 3.5 1.3 6.2 45% .280 .272 1.39 4.86 4.23 103 5.29 113.5 0.6
2003 MIN MLB 33 33 201.0 14 11 0 211 45 130 28 .262 100 9.4 2.0 1.3 5.8 41% .285 .251 1.27 4.35 4.61 97 4.29 90.0 3.2
2004 MIN MLB 35 34 194.0 9 13 0 240 76 111 28 .261 101 11.1 3.5 1.3 5.1 46% .321 .287 1.63 5.17 5.34 111 6.71 138.3 -1.9
2005 MIN MLB 31 30 178.7 9 13 0 211 44 86 22 .262 99 10.6 2.2 1.1 4.3 46% .311 .277 1.43 4.57 4.18 112 6.01 129.3 -1.0
2006 CIN 0 12 11 63.0 3 5 0 70 19 51 7 .262 94 10.0 2.7 1.0 7.3 50% .325 .263 1.41 3.83 4.57 103 5.65 115.1 0.1
2006 MIN 0 22 8 63.7 2 5 0 80 25 46 8 .254 106 11.3 3.5 1.1 6.5 39% .343 .282 1.65 4.83 7.07 103 6.49 132.1 -0.5
2007 CIN 0 21 21 131.7 6 12 0 143 33 80 16 .256 103 9.8 2.3 1.1 5.5 37% .298 .263 1.34 4.42 4.58 101 4.16 86.2 2.3
2007 PHI 0 13 11 61.0 3 0 0 64 24 42 6 .263 103 9.4 3.5 0.9 6.2 43% .305 .267 1.44 4.54 4.72 101 3.86 79.9 1.3
2008 SLN MLB 33 33 200.0 15 6 0 211 49 119 18 .260 96 9.5 2.2 0.8 5.4 48% .297 .252 1.30 3.86 3.78 97 4.68 99.8 1.9
2009 SLN MLB 23 22 117.7 6 10 0 125 36 77 16 .258 91 9.6 2.8 1.2 5.9 46% .287 .282 1.37 4.50 4.74 96 4.54 97.4 1.3
2010 SLN MLB 18 18 92.0 4 8 0 129 35 54 9 .262 88 12.6 3.4 0.9 5.3 44% .364 .333 1.78 4.43 6.55 104 5.55 125.3 -0.3
2011 SLN MLB 30 30 188.3 14 8 0 178 42 111 16 .256 94 8.5 2.0 0.8 5.3 43% .269 .247 1.17 3.63 3.39 97 4.19 97.3 2.0
2012 SLN MLB 33 33 211.0 16 3 0 192 38 143 19 .255 98 8.2 1.6 0.8 6.1 43% .262 .240 1.09 3.54 2.86 91 3.79 87.0 3.4
2013 MIL MLB 32 32 198.7 11 10 0 196 36 125 26 .257 106 8.9 1.6 1.2 5.7 43% .276 .243 1.17 4.05 3.35 103 3.80 91.0 2.8
2014 MIL MLB 31 31 198.3 13 9 0 183 45 141 22 .256 101 8.3 2.0 1.0 6.4 42% .268 .256 1.15 3.92 3.54 101 3.84 94.1 2.4
2015 MIL MLB 37 22 152.3 5 13 2 180 43 108 29 .259 101 10.6 2.5 1.7 6.4 41% .314 .297 1.46 5.14 5.85 112 5.52 128.9 -0.9
2016 TEX MLB 2 2 9.3 0 2 0 15 5 3 4 .261 106 14.5 4.8 3.9 2.9 35% .306 .386 2.14 9.64 12.54 145 9.20 203.6 -0.4
2006 TOT MLB 34 19 126.7 5 10 0 150 44 97 15 .258 100 10.7 3.1 1.1 6.9 44% .334 .273 1.53 4.33 5.83 103 6.07 123.7 -0.4
2007 TOT MLB 34 32 192.7 9 12 0 207 57 122 22 .258 103 9.7 2.7 1.0 5.7 39% .300 .264 1.37 4.46 4.62 101 4.07 84.2 3.5
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Statistics for All Levels

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA-
1998 ROK A 28 26 170.7 13 8 0 158 45 121 8 .000 8.3 2.4 0.4 6.4 0% -.857 .000 1.19 3.54 3.22 0 0.00 0.0
1999 DAY A+ 9 9 53.0 5 3 0 48 16 41 4 .000 8.2 2.7 0.7 7.0 0% -.721 .000 1.21 3.76 2.89 0 0.00 0.0
1999 FTM A+ 7 7 41.7 2 3 0 47 9 33 5 .000 10.1 1.9 1.1 7.1 0% -.894 .000 1.34 4.05 5.18 0 0.00 0.0
1999 NBR AA 11 11 70.3 3 4 0 87 23 41 9 .000 11.1 2.9 1.2 5.2 0% -1.068 .000 1.56 4.74 5.89 0 0.00 0.0
2000 NBR AA 28 28 167.0 3 18 0 196 55 124 23 .000 10.6 3.0 1.2 6.7 0% -.856 .000 1.50 4.69 6.04 0 0.00 0.0
2001 MIN MLB 19 16 90.3 4 7 0 102 29 64 16 .263 99 10.2 2.9 1.6 6.4 46% .302 .287 1.45 5.20 5.68 104 5.32 110.2
2001 NBR AA 6 6 38.0 3 1 0 32 4 32 5 .000 7.6 0.9 1.2 7.6 0% -.659 .000 0.95 3.55 2.37 0 0.00 0.0
2001 EDM AAA 8 8 49.0 4 2 0 50 13 48 3 .000 9.2 2.4 0.6 8.8 0% -.734 .000 1.29 3.18 3.12 0 0.00 0.0
2002 MIN MLB 32 31 180.7 13 8 0 181 70 124 26 .263 97 9.0 3.5 1.3 6.2 45% .280 .272 1.39 4.86 4.23 103 5.29 113.5
2003 MIN MLB 33 33 201.0 14 11 0 211 45 130 28 .262 100 9.4 2.0 1.3 5.8 41% .285 .251 1.27 4.35 4.61 97 4.29 90.0
2004 MIN MLB 35 34 194.0 9 13 0 240 76 111 28 .261 101 11.1 3.5 1.3 5.1 46% .321 .287 1.63 5.17 5.34 111 6.71 138.3
2005 MIN MLB 31 30 178.7 9 13 0 211 44 86 22 .262 99 10.6 2.2 1.1 4.3 46% .311 .277 1.43 4.57 4.18 112 6.01 129.3
2006 CIN MLB 12 11 63.0 3 5 0 70 19 51 7 .262 94 10.0 2.7 1.0 7.3 50% .325 .263 1.41 3.83 4.57 103 5.65 115.1
2006 MIN MLB 22 8 63.7 2 5 0 80 25 46 8 .254 106 11.3 3.5 1.1 6.5 39% .343 .282 1.65 4.83 7.07 103 6.49 132.1
2006 ROC AAA 4 4 24.1 2 1 0 15 6 12 1 .252 97 5.6 2.2 0.4 4.5 37% .187 .196 0.87 3.37 1.49 104 5.44 110.5
2007 CIN MLB 21 21 131.7 6 12 0 143 33 80 16 .256 103 9.8 2.3 1.1 5.5 37% .298 .263 1.34 4.42 4.58 101 4.16 86.2
2007 PHI MLB 13 11 61.0 3 0 0 64 24 42 6 .263 103 9.4 3.5 0.9 6.2 43% .305 .267 1.44 4.54 4.72 101 3.86 79.9
2008 SLN MLB 33 33 200.0 15 6 0 211 49 119 18 .260 96 9.5 2.2 0.8 5.4 48% .297 .252 1.30 3.86 3.78 97 4.68 99.8
2009 SLN MLB 23 22 117.7 6 10 0 125 36 77 16 .258 91 9.6 2.8 1.2 5.9 46% .287 .282 1.37 4.50 4.74 96 4.54 97.4
2009 SFD AA 1 1 4.7 0 0 0 3 4 3 1 .266 121 5.7 7.7 1.9 5.7 29% .154 .243 1.49 7.29 3.83 114 6.59 135.6
2009 MEM AAA 1 1 6.0 1 0 0 2 2 6 0 .235 75 3.0 3.0 0.0 9.0 21% .143 .105 0.67 2.95 0.00 106 5.03 101.2
2010 SLN MLB 18 18 92.0 4 8 0 129 35 54 9 .262 88 12.6 3.4 0.9 5.3 44% .364 .333 1.78 4.43 6.55 104 5.55 125.3
2010 SFD AA 1 1 5.0 0 1 0 12 0 4 0 .242 112 21.6 0.0 0.0 7.2 36% .545 .368 2.40 1.56 9.00 95 5.16 112.8
2010 MEM AAA 3 3 14.0 1 0 0 9 2 14 3 .264 103 5.8 1.3 1.9 9.0 49% .167 .225 0.79 4.79 3.21 78 2.75 51.4
2011 SLN MLB 30 30 188.3 14 8 0 178 42 111 16 .256 94 8.5 2.0 0.8 5.3 43% .269 .247 1.17 3.63 3.39 97 4.19 97.3
2012 SLN MLB 33 33 211.0 16 3 0 192 38 143 19 .255 98 8.2 1.6 0.8 6.1 43% .262 .240 1.09 3.54 2.86 91 3.79 87.0
2013 MIL MLB 32 32 198.7 11 10 0 196 36 125 26 .257 106 8.9 1.6 1.2 5.7 43% .276 .243 1.17 4.05 3.35 103 3.80 91.0
2014 MIL MLB 31 31 198.3 13 9 0 183 45 141 22 .256 101 8.3 2.0 1.0 6.4 42% .268 .256 1.15 3.92 3.54 101 3.84 94.1
2015 MIL MLB 37 22 152.3 5 13 2 180 43 108 29 .259 101 10.6 2.5 1.7 6.4 41% .314 .297 1.46 5.14 5.85 112 5.52 128.9
2016 TEX MLB 2 2 9.3 0 2 0 15 5 3 4 .261 106 14.5 4.8 3.9 2.9 35% .306 .386 2.14 9.64 12.54 145 9.20 203.6
2016 ROU AAA 10 10 58.7 3 5 0 60 14 41 8 .272 84 9.2 2.1 1.2 6.3 39% .294 .290 1.26 5.01 5.06 111 5.26 107.0
2018 OMA AAA 2 2 8.7 0 1 0 17 5 5 2 .256 86 17.7 5.2 2.1 5.2 35% .429 .402 2.54 7.33 12.46 103 3.50 77.1

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT
2008 3070 0.4919 0.4182 0.8512 0.5921 0.2500 0.9161 0.7026 0.1488
2009 1965 0.4728 0.4193 0.8228 0.5823 0.2732 0.8799 0.7138 0.1772
2010 1601 0.4772 0.3954 0.8483 0.5654 0.2401 0.9144 0.7065 0.1517
2011 2795 0.5081 0.4290 0.8465 0.5810 0.2720 0.8994 0.7299 0.1535
2012 3118 0.5103 0.4493 0.8287 0.5902 0.3026 0.8892 0.7056 0.1713
2013 3010 0.4934 0.4458 0.8212 0.6034 0.2925 0.8895 0.6839 0.1788
2014 2989 0.4821 0.4557 0.8062 0.6169 0.3056 0.8751 0.6765 0.1938
2015 2522 0.4580 0.4516 0.7744 0.6268 0.3036 0.8550 0.6337 0.2256
2016 187 0.4064 0.3529 0.8788 0.5921 0.1892 0.9111 0.8095 0.1212
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Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2014-08-14 2014-08-25 DTD 11 9 Right Ankle Sprain -
2013-05-20 2013-05-30 DTD 10 9 Right Elbow Inflammation - -
2013-04-22 2013-04-22 DTD 0 0 Left Fingers Dislocation Little Finger - -
2012-05-09 2012-05-09 DTD 0 0 - Thigh Strain Hamstring - -
2011-07-24 2011-07-24 DTD 0 0 Right Fingers Inflammation Middle Finger - -
2011-05-02 2011-05-02 DTD 0 0 Lower Leg Contusion Batted Ball -
2010-05-23 2010-08-15 60-DL 84 71 Right Forearm Surgery Compartment Syndrome 2010-05-28
2010-02-27 2010-03-06 Camp 7 0 General Medical Gastrointestinal GI -
2009-09-13 2009-09-21 DTD 8 7 Right Forearm Inflammation -
2009-08-22 2009-09-05 15-DL 14 12 Left Groin Strain -
2009-06-04 2009-07-11 15-DL 37 35 Right Forearm Strain Flexor Pronator Mass -
2009-05-24 2009-06-03 DTD 10 9 Right Forearm Contusion HBP -
2009-04-28 2009-04-28 DTD 0 0 General Medical Respiratory Flu -
2009-04-23 2009-04-23 DTD 0 0 Right Knee Soreness -
2008-05-18 2008-05-18 DTD 0 0 Right Shoulder Soreness -
2007-08-02 2007-08-02 DTD 0 0 Right Forearm Contusion Batted Ball -
2007-03-03 2007-03-17 Camp 14 0 Right Thigh Strain Hamstring -
2005-09-06 2005-09-06 DTD 0 0 Right Fingers Contusion Ring Fingers Punching Doors -
2005-07-07 2005-07-07 DTD 0 0 Neck Stiffness -
2005-04-29 2005-05-07 DTD 8 7 Right Shoulder Strain -
2004-10-03 2004-10-03 DTD 0 0 Right Fingers Blister Middle Finger -
2002-12-16 2002-12-16 Off 0 0 Right Knee Surgery Loose Bodies 2002-12-16 -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2016 TEX $
2015 MIL $11,000,000
2014 MIL $11,000,000
2013 MIL $11,000,000
2012 SLN $12,187,500
2011 SLN $12,187,500
2010 SLN $9,187,500
2009 SLN $7,437,500
2008 SLN $4,250,000
2007 CIN $4,200,000
2006 MIN $3,950,000
2005 MIN $2,400,000
2004 MIN $395,000
2003 MIN $330,000
2002 MIN $215,000
YearsDescriptionSalary
14 yrPrevious$89,740,000
14 yrTotal$89,740,000

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
14 y 92 dBoras Corp.1 year (2016)

Details
  • 1 year (2016). Signed by Texas as a free agent 5/13/16 (minor-league contract). Contract selected by Texas 7/9/16. DFA by Texas 7/26/16. Sent outright to Triple-A 7/29/16 (refused assignment).
  • 3 years/$33M (2013-15). Signed by Milwaukee as a free agent 3/25/13. 13:$11M, 14:$11M, 15:$11M. Annual performance bonus: $0.35M for 190 innings. $7M of 2013 salary is deferred, to be paid 2016-18, reducing present-day total value of deal to $31.95M.
  • 4 years/$41M (2009-12). Signed extension with St. Louis 9/29/08. $1.25M signing bonus. 09:$7.125M, 10:$8.875M, 11:$11.875M, 12:$11.875M. Full no-trade clause. St. Louis made qualifying offer for 2013 (1 year/$13.3M) 11/2/12.
  • 1 year/$4.25M (2008). Signed by St. Louis as a free agent 3/14/08. Performance bonus: $0.1M each 160, 170, 180, 190, 200 innings. $0.5M assignment bonus with trade.
  • 1 year/$4.2M (2007). Re-signed by Cincinnati 1/18/07 (avoided arbitration). Acquired by Philadelphia in trade from Cincinnati 7/30/07.
  • 1 year/$3.95M (2006). Won arbitration with Minnesota 2/06 ($3.95M-$3.4M). Acquired by Cincinnati in trade from Minnesota 7/06.
  • 1 year/$2.4M (2005). Won arbitration with Minnesota 2/05 ($2.4M-$2.15M).
  • 1 year/$0.395M (2004). Re-signed by Minnesota 2/04.
  • 1 year/$0.33M (2003). Re-signed by Minnesota 2/03.
  • 1 year/$0.215M (2002). Re-signed by Minnesota 2/02.
  • 1 year (2001). Contract purchased by Minnesota 2000. Re-signed by Minnesota 2/01.
  • Acquired by Minnesota in trade from Chicago Cubs 5/1999.
  • Drafted by Chicago Cubs 1996 (29-862) (Butte College, Oroville, Calif.).

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Platoon

SORT_FIELD PLATOON AVG OBP SLG TAv
10 vs L (Multi) .276 .333 .472 .289
11 vs R (Multi) .277 .314 .452 .271
18 Split (Multi) -.001 .019 .020 .019
19 LgAvg (Multi) .006 .020 .015 .013
30 vs L (2016) .381 .458 .714 .380
31 vs R (2016) .333 .375 .810 .392
38 Split (2016) .048 .083 -.095 -.012
39 LgAvg (2016) .003 .018 .013 .012

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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2018-05-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)Who is the best player still playing (whether minors, majors, internationally) that most people had know idea is still playing? Cheers to Kyle Lohse on a serviceable career.
(Logan from NYC)
Ollie Perez is still playing! He's coming out of the bullpen for Scranton. (Nicolas Stellini)
2015-03-19 14:00:00 (link to chat)Jimmy Nelson or Chase Anderson as a breakout guy this year?
(William from New York)
Jimmy Nelson has a great shot at as well as getting some big league exposure last year. He did lose a veteran starter in Gallardo to learn from but still has veterans Kyle Lohse and Matt Garza. (Rob Willer)
2015-01-08 12:00:00 (link to chat)Who won this dynasty trade: Chase Utley, Jayson Werth, Kyle Lohse for Yan Gomes, AJ Griffin, 25 overall in 2015 draft?
(Grizz from America)
This is a good one for the fantasy guys, but I'll give you my take really quickly. Lohse is one of the most underrated pitchers in baseball (I kind of have a man crush on him - http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24770) so the team getting him automatically wins. Seriously though, this is a future vs. now trade, and the team getting the established guys seems to do really well here. Love Gomes, but your league probably doesn't account for pitch framing, so that tempers his fantasy value a bit. (Jeff Long)
2014-05-02 14:00:00 (link to chat)Travis Wood struck out more hitters than innings in 2 starts in 2013 yet in 2014 he's got 37/7 K/W in 37 2/3 IP. Kyle Lohse also has big increase in K rate so far. Are they doing something different, or is it just a small sample fluke?
(brucegilsen from Washington, DC)
Gimme SSS for now, combined with the fact that K rates are escalating throughout baseball. but call back in a month and we'll see if there is something more there. (Doug Thorburn)
2014-02-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)What is a realistic projection for Suk-min Yoon this season for the Orioles? Is he a starter or reliever in your opinion?
(Rob from Baltimore)
I don't know a whole lot about him beyond the Kyle Lohse comparison floating around. I guess I should ask around, but my understanding is he's a starter. (R.J. Anderson)
2013-04-10 20:00:00 (link to chat)What did you think of Nick Tepesch's outing for fantasy purpose's, had him in 3 league.s last night, seems to be a Westbrook type groundballer,perfect for Arlington,do you think he can stick around awhile?
(boatman44 from Liverpool)
Like a lot of fantasy experts, I had no idea who this guy was until the Rangers announced that he was going to be the team's fifth starter. I was skeptical that the Rangers were pushing him because they didn't want to get sucked into the Kyle Lohse sweepstakes, but a number of Rangers' watchers - most notably Adam Morris of Lone Star Ball - were impressed with Tepesch's improved composure and presence on the mound. He's a rookie pitcher and certainly will take his lumps, but his debut gives him the opportunity to stick around and possibly not get demoted once Matt Harrison comes back. Tepesich could be a #3-4 starter at his peak. (Mike Gianella)
2013-02-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)It seems like every year some poor slob gets hung up on the same rocks Kyle Lohse is on this spring. Until the CBA changes the rules again, what can a player or agent do to avoid this?
(Cris E from St Paul, MN)
Sign early. My guess is that research would support a hypothesis that players signing in November have been overpaid over the past five years. (Sam Miller)
2013-01-14 14:00:00 (link to chat)When do you see the "Draft Pick Three" signing? (I am talking about Kyle Lohse, Michael Bourn, and Rafael Soriano).
(Steve G. from STL)
I'll say Lohse and Bourn sign at the end of this month and Soriano signs in early February. (Ben Lindbergh)
2013-01-14 14:00:00 (link to chat)Do you think MLB will have to end up giving the OK for a basketball-like sign-and-trade to get someone signed (Kyle Lohse), will he end up signing substantially under his market value, or will everyone get signed and it's just Boras maximizing his clients' value?
(ttt from Manhattan)
Lots of questions about Lohse and Bourn. I don't think MLB will have to do anything drastic to get them signed. Boras' strategy hasn't always succeeded, but he's had enough success with it that I wouldn't rule out either getting a decent deal. Soriano is the most interesting case--the Yankees reportedly value the draft pick so highly (in relation to a reliever) that they don't want him back under any circumstances. He's not going to be thrilled if he gets less than he would have had he accepted the qualifying offer. (Ben Lindbergh)
2012-12-28 13:00:00 (link to chat)Latest guess on where Kyle Lohse winds up, and for how much and how long?
(Bill from New Mexico)
Hi Bill, and thanks for joining us! I have no idea where he'll end up, but I'm guessing he'll get too much for too long. Someone will pay for his 2012 season and ignore his 2009-2011. Someone will be unable to resist that 16-3 record and sub-3.00 ERA. Pity them. (Geoff Young)
2012-12-27 13:00:00 (link to chat)Russell, have you heard any recent rumblings or rumors of where Kyle Lohse will end up and for how long and much? As a Cards fan who despised him in '09-'10, he became much more appealing in '11-'12, and St. Louis could use another competent starter. Of course, that doesn't mean the Redbirds should shell out crazy cash to re-sign Lohse.
(GBSimons from Under a foot of snow)
Lohse has always been something of a BABIP buster, but I think the idea of a 15M salary is silly. The problem is that "decent starter" is the same sort of comfort food that "proven closer" is. Feels good going down, but you regret it in the morning. (Russell Carleton)
2012-10-30 13:00:00 (link to chat)With the Cardinals' inevitable loss of Kyle Lohse, do you see them being active in the free agent sp market? Besides Wainwright, Shelby Miller, maybe Garcia, Carpenter and Westbrook, they are a bit light. I think Kelly or Rosenthal could replace Lynn. Thank you.
(Chopper from Indy)
Hi Chopper. I'm not sure what the Cardinals might be thinking, but if I ran things, I'd wouldn't be looking to replace Lohse's 2012 performance. Adam Wainwright should improve a year removed from surgery and Chris Carpenter should give the team more than three starts. I'd be targeting guys to slot in behind those two, guys who maybe are on level with what Lohse was when he came to St. Louis. Specifically, I'd be looking at Joe Blanton, Edwin Jackson, Shaun Marcum, and Anibal Sanchez. If I wanted to gamble, I might make a play for Scott Baker. But this all says more about my process than the Cardinals', so take it with a grain of salt. (Geoff Young)
2012-05-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Ugh, are the Cardinals REALLY this good? It seems like every single break seems to go their way. Jake Westbrook and Kyle Lohse? ACES! Tyler Greene? SECOND COMING OF JEFF BAGWELL! So damn annoying.
(Reds Fan from Cincinnati)
According to our Adjusted Standings, not only have they actually been this good, they've actually been better. The Cardinals' third-order winning percentage is .733. That's the best in baseball, folks. Maybe Pujols was holding them back all that time! Scary for Reds fans, huh? (Ben Lindbergh)
2012-03-26 13:00:00 (link to chat)NL only. Who has a better season Chad Billingsley, Kyle Lohse, Clayton Richard, Josh Collmenter? Looking to find a late round value.
(will.I.ain't from Holding pattern)
Billingsley, for upside and floor. (Sam Miller)
2011-09-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)Thanks for the long response; now a much shorter follow-up. Who do the Cardinals keep for 2012 from the swag they got for Raz? More specifically, do they try to re-up Edwin Jackson?
(BillJ from New Mexico)
Dotel has been good for them, so I could see them exercising his option for $3.5 million, and Rzepczynski/Scrabble is under team control. You'd hope the .167/.184/.250 line Corey Patterson has put up since the trade would convince the Cards not to keep him. As for Edwin Jackson, it would be nice if he could finally find a home with a nice family that doesn't care that his performance doesn't always match his potential. He's 27 and he's pitched decently in St. Louis, so I can imagine that happening. If Kyle Lohse can get a four-year deal... (Ben Lindbergh)
2010-03-17 14:00:00 (link to chat)Cardinals pitching prospect Jaime Garcia has looked downright evil this spring, but doesn't seem to be in serious consideration for the rotation, which definitely has a vacancy. What's going on, Christina? Flash-in-the-pan syndrome? Justifiable desire to hold the workload down for a TJ survivor? Or a noxious manifestation of Dave Duncan's aversion to working with young pitchers, particularly starters?
(Bill from New Mexico)
Hi Bill, always a pleasure to see you on the boards... I think it's very much a matter of politburo-style turnitis, in that it isn't his turn yet. He's having a great camp, he's coming back from injury, and especially because of April scheduling, I could see him spending the first month or two getting regular starts for Memphis. By June, we'll know if McClellan's calling for reinforcements (inevitable, if you ask any Civil War buff), or if Rich Hill's redeemable and that's just in the fifth spot. Duncan's deserved reputation or no, I'm just not that wild on bets that Kyle Lohse and Brad Penny will be totally fine, so I think Garcia's going to be put to work at some point this season. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-09-14 16:30:00 (link to chat)Scott Boras: good for baseball or bad for baseball?
(Vic from West Chester, PA)
It's tough to say whether he is good for baseball or bad for baseball. I don't think he's necessarily all that good for his clients though. He has a lot of money, and can afford to be much riskier with other people's money. By giving himself the credibility as a tough negotiator, he puts his current clients at risk of getting little money so that he can extract more money from teams down the line. Take the J.D. Drew thing as an example. J.D. Drew was major-league ready when the Phillies drafted him, but he waited a year without signing with Phillies to sign with the Cardinals for only a small amount more the following year. That extra money cost Drew a year of free agent salaries because he was major league ready and he probably lost him ten times what he gained in the process. Drew probably didn't want to play with the Phillies, but there are plenty of examples (Kyle Lohse, I think Jason Varitek) where Boras takes a hard stance that works a lot and fails occasionally, and it's not necessarily wise to be that risky if you're not already rich. (Matt Swartz)
2009-04-13 14:00:00 (link to chat)I've heard rumblings that Kevin Millwood has developed a new pitch or that he has just greatly improved one. Are the first two starts of the season just Millwood being fresh and/or lucky, or is this a sign of things to come? Is this the potential that he was supposed to reach with the Braves? Also, what about Kyle Lohse? Is this an example of batters not catching up to pitchers yet too?
(Clay from Sarasota, FL)
Haven't heard anything about a new pitch. For his sake I hope it's a sinker to rival Derek Lowe's, because he needs all the help he can get pitching in that ballpark. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-08-01 14:00:00 (link to chat)I am amazed to see the St. Louis Cardinals doing so well this year with seemingly so little. Is this a career year for Tony LaRussa?
(mwanders from Moscow, ID)
Well, the guy does have a couple World Series rings, including one won with a team that was barely over .500 after 162 games. But if this is a career year for TLR, it's one for Dave Duncan as well, patching together that pitching staff. I mean, Kyle Lohse and Todd Wellemeyer are 1-2 in SNLVAR on that staff, and if I told you that was a playoff contending recipe at the outset of the year, I'd be doing the Hit List for the Outer Mongolian Independent League myself. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-04-29 14:00:00 (link to chat)re: "sad panda" .... is that a South Park reference? :-) OK ... I need to dump Gil Meche, do I pick up John Danks or Jair Jurrjens? Kyle Lohse isn't for real is he?
(dianagramr from NYC)
Pick up Danks and Jurrjens. Extended exposure to Lohse can severely damage your judgment, even if I was forced to grab him during the playoffs last year. That's a dark time in my life I'd rather not discuss. (Marc Normandin)
2008-03-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)How did the Phillies not come up with $4.5 million for Kyle Lohse? Or, considering your answer on team depth before, the Mets? Sure, he's mediocre, but Livan Hernandez got $5 million. The $4.5 seems below market value for a 4th/5th starter.
(oira61 from San Francisco)
If I accept your premise, I think the whole point is that Lohse wasn't initially pricing himself at that point, and personalities do enter into things like this -- you can never tell who got alienated over the winter. It's also possible that teams don't see him as having that much value, right or wrong. (Steven Goldman)
2008-02-07 14:00:00 (link to chat)Hi Joe. In your opinion, what's the most surprising thing that's happened this offseason?
(Joe from Washington, DC)
The lack of brutal contracts. There were a couple of bad ones, but nothing like we've seen in the past few winters. And you still have a Kyle Lohse out there, a year too late, trying to get paid.

Collectively, the market was smarter this winter. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-01-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)John, what's going on with Kyle Lohse? Couldn't he make the rotation of most major-league teams? Where do you think he'll end up?
(oira61 from San Francisco)
Lohse and his agent, Scott Boras, were hoping to hit the jackpot in a thin free-agent market but it didn't happen. He's almost certainly going to have to settle for one year now, which is far cry from the five-year deal he was looking for. I'd say he lands in either Philly or with the Mets. (John Perrotto)
2008-01-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which Zack Greinke will we see in 2008: the dominating young Saberhagen or Kyle Lohse reincarnate?
(KC Royalty from Kansas City)
I'd say south of Saberhagen but north of Lohse. I think Grienke will have a fine year but not quite to level of Saberhagen in his Royals days. (John Perrotto)


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