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February 11, 2011 Span and Sain and Pray for RainSlash Linesby Emma Span
[Ed. Note: We alert you to the fact that this article deals with an adult theme that may offend a few of our readers.] I’m sure most of you are familiar with the maxim that if you can imagine it, there’s porn about it on the Internet. That’s no joke. It was only a few years ago that I first learned of fan fiction, when a friend explained that one of his coworkers not only contributed to, but ran, an extensive website entirely dedicated to fan-written stories about the characters from the animated series Chip ‘n Dale Rescue Rangers. The stories that turned sexual—yes, stories about cartoon chipmunks that turn sexual—were called slash fiction, named for the typographic symbol in the "Kirk/Spock" liaisons that launched the genre in the 1970s. Naturally, this prompted my friends and I to go online and see if there was any kind of subject, anything at all, and that did not have something pornographic written about it and posted on the Internet. The answer: not really, no. We couldn’t find anything pairing Jay Leno with bandleader Kevin Eubanks, but that was about it. What we did discover was a trove of imagined romance and sex between baseball players, on multiple websites. I thought that over the years I’d seen most of the dark corners of sports fandom, but as it turns out, I still was not fully prepared for baseball fan fiction. If you've thought about it at all, you might expect to find quite a few tales of Jeter and A-Rod, and those are certainly there. But I was less braced for just how prominently players like, for example, Doug Mirabelli feature. You just do not ever expect to encounter the phrase, to quote one story, “Doug Mirabelli’s huge, unlubed…” Well—Doug Mirabelli’s huge, unlubed anything, really. Let’s leave it at that. Equally unexpected were the following slash fiction subjects, which I found on sites like “The Boys of Summer” and the “Baseball Fanfiction Archive”: Kyle Farnsworth and Pudge Rodriguez; Jason Varitek and Nomar Garciaparra; Pat Burrell and Aubrey Huff; Bubba Crosby and Chuck Knoblauch (posted in November 2010, so someone was thinking about this one for a while); and Melky Cabrera cheating with, of all people, Jaret Wright: Jaret licked the cheekbone closest to him. “Melky?” “Yes?” “I ... I don’t ...” “Yes.” “What about Robinson?” One LiveJournal user has for months been posting a now 12-part epic containing 70 chapters, in the form of IM conversations detailing the forbidden love between Ian Kinsler and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. From chapter 45:
Me[Saltalamacchia]:but ian I did not read far enough to discover how, or whether, imaginary Kinsler dealt with his imaginary beloved’s trade to Boston; one can only hope he finds a connection with imaginary Chris McGuiness. I came across a story about Kyle Farnsworth and Vance Wilson, but it was labeled with a warning: “people who are squeamish about bloodplay, knives, severely disturbed mental states and semi-non-con (but only semi!) should not touch this with a 20 foot stick.” As that would include me—not to mention that, as a Yankees fan, I’m just squeamish about Kyle Farnsworth in general—I didn’t, and am grateful for the heads-up. Even in the name of scientific research for a column to advance baseball knowledge, I have my limits. To be clear, this isn’t so squirm-inducingly uncomfortable because it’s about gay sex. MLB’s homophobia is pronounced, and the last thing I want is to reinforce it in any way. No, it’s because real people have been repurposed and fitted into other people’s fantasies—extremely personal fantasies—in a spectacularly odd way. It’s harmless enough. (Except in the unlikely event that, say, Vance Wilson Googled himself particularly thoroughly one day… yikes. The moral of the story, as always: do not Google yourself.) And obviously, people can write whatever they want, especially about public figures. But it still seems sort of presumptuous, to me, to use real people in your “bloodplay” fantasies anywhere outside of the safe confines of your own head. It’s not exactly wrong so much as it’s rude. Do whatever you want with Spock and Kirk; they’re imaginary to begin with. Once you rope actual humans into it, it feels like some kind of line’s being crossed. Many writers seem aware of that, and post disclaimers like this one from the Cabrera/Wright story: "The boys own themselves. I like to play—but I always put them back nicely." I’m not sure what that accomplishes, other than legal cover, since no one was likely to take one of these stories as nonfiction reporting. And really, slash fiction tells us absolutely nothing about any of the players mentioned—and tells us way, way more than we wanted to know about the authors. Some stranger’s highly intimate fantasy about Bronson Arroyo does not feel like anything you should be able to stumble across online. But then, in a lot of ways, we all look at baseball players like characters in a daily soap opera, and maybe these stories are just taking that to its illogical conclusion. Anyway, that’s where the discomfort comes from, I think, but also the humor, especially in the rather surprising choice of subjects. I just can’t say “Bubba Crosby slash Chuck Knoblauch” with a straight face. And for better or worse, it’s certainly it’s a testament to the diversity of baseball fans. For everyone who thinks Derek Jeter is dreamy, someone’s imagination is sparked by Eric Hinske, and in some ways that’s actually reassuring. I guess it takes all kinds, even the kind who imagines and then describes Kevin Millar having a drunken threesome with Keith Foulke and Jason Varitek, an image that, given the option, I would have preferred not to have introduced into my skull. I think we each have our own individual worst nightmare about what someone might find on our web browsers. I had to revise and update my personal worst the other night, when a friend came over while I was researching this column, and went to use my computer—then immediately asked what the hell I’d been looking at. “Nothing. Just open a new window.” But my friend was already reading: When he got to Pedroia's pants, Derek teased him by slowly unzipping him... “It’s for work!” Then Derek found out how big the little man underneath him really was. There’s no coming back from that one. Let someone catch you with Dustin Pedroia slash fic open on Firefox, and now matter how eloquently you explain the questing and curious nature of sabermetrics, they will look at you oddly for the rest of the night, if not the rest of your life. And here’s yet another sentence I could never have imagined myself writing two weeks ago, but: Thank goodness it wasn’t the Vance Wilson/Kyle Farnsworth story. Emma Span has written for the Village Voice, the New York Press, Slate, and The Daily, writes regularly for Bronx Banter, and is the author of 90% of the Game Is Half Mental: And Other Tales From the Edge of Baseball Fandom, published by Villard in 2010. She lives in Brooklyn.
Emma Span is an author of Baseball Prospectus. Related Content: Fiction, Kyle Farnsworth
336 comments have been left for this article. BP Comment Quick Links pikapp383 (1302) I was deeply offended by this article. JHaugJr (332) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. This dreck marks an unimaginable low for this website. CRP13 (46873) This is complete trash. I expected better from a semi-well-known writer, and I really expected better from Baseball Prospectus. dianagram (9530) Oh come now .... not every BP article is deep in the heart of advanced metrics. Jim Baker (previously) and Ken Funck (now) often go "outside the lines" to provide some whimsical topic. CRP13 (46873) I don't see the point in "minusing" me for my opinion on this. The article doesn't OFFEND me from some moral standpoint, but I do find it completely tasteless, pointless, and completely out of character for this site. Marc Normandin (15622) I want to point out two things--I agree on the "minusing" issue, and I bumped you back up, because I think the discussion is interesting, if nothing else. It's not like you attacked Emma here. Marc Normandin (15622) Of course before I posted my comment, someone dropped you back down. I tried. CRP13 (46873) It's the thought that counts, man! PeterBNYC (15402) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. Ms. Span will come in time to regret her extremely injudicious choice of subject matter for what appears to be her first piece on BP. (I regret it already.) misterjohnny (925) I agree completely with your assessment. I wish I had that 5 minutes of my life back that I wasted on this column. And the 1 minute for commenting on it. Richard Bergstrom (36532) For my part, I like tangents. Christina Kahrl's "whodunit" about the Mets in a Transaction Analysis awhile ago was a classic one, not to mention her history references. Marc Normandin (15622) I thought it was a funny exploration into what is inarguably one of baseball's oddest subcultures created by fans. And I would think that whether I worked here or not :-p Patrick (26006) I agree. It's a humorous reminder that baseball players are people, something that sabermetric analysts are just as often guilty of forgetting. There sometimes isn't that much difference between this kind of stuff and the obsession that comes with playing fantasy ball. BurrRutledge (18981) I knew two people who wrote an extensive collection of "fan fic" on Hockey Players back in the mid-eighties. Not for print - just wrote the stuff. Not exactly 'slash' genre, however, since the player's adventures were heterosexual. Think "romance novel" kind of stuff. Your mileage may vary, but since day 1, Baseball Prospectus' content has aimed beyond simply being about the digits to the right of the decimal. Not everyone has to love everything, and clearly you don't love this. But judging by the early returns, there are plenty of readers who did appreciate that one of our writers came out of left field to take on such a strange topic - one that's even older than BP and older than the internet. Feb 11, 2011 07:36 AM CRP13 (46873) Jay, please see my reply to dianagram above. I'm no statistician, and most of Colin and Matt's stuff is way over my poor engineering head. One of my favorite writers is Ken, who brings a skewed angle to this site, and I'm excited about the Weizenball or wahtever it is, for the sheer fun-ness of it all. Point taken, but I'm quite certain you're going to find that the Steve Goldman administration isn't going to be afraid to try some daring stuff now and again that may reach different audiences than the core statheads. As I said before, not everyone's going to love everything. But all of us feel quite confident that our subscribers will get their money's worth by finding quite a lot to love. Feb 11, 2011 07:57 AM In point of fact, there were discussions that anticipated much of what has been said here, pro and con. That done, there is not an editor on the staff who doesn't stand behind a decision to publish, and there is not an editor on the staff who doesn't stand behind what has been published. Feb 11, 2011 08:47 AM CRP13 (46873) That doesn't surprise me, and solidarity is to be applauded. I'm just surprised that the decision to publish was made at all. I hesitate to ask, but would this article have been even considered if it had been written by an unknown author? Unfair question, perhaps, but I can't help but wonder. What Christina said. Of course, if you object to an article, we do want to hear about it--after all, we aim to please, not to offend, and we're not seeking to drive any of our readers away. That said, Emma is a talented writer whose work I enjoy, and she turned in what I found to be a tremendously entertaining piece. Fortunately, I've come across plenty of comments to "plus" in this here thread, which suggests that I'm not the only one to have gotten something out of her column and makes me glad that we found room for it among the vast array of voices and perspectives to have graced BP's pages. Feb 11, 2011 14:04 PM brandetd (26819) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. Of course not. But then there isn't a strong history of BP having a culture where it's editorial staff ever admitted being wrong. ackbar (8685) Read the PECOTA threads from last year if your fetish is BP apologies. Joe D. (3692) Brandetd and ackbar, how dare you use a word like "ambush." I find it offensive. Please be more careful next time. Shadetree42 (33584) "Discussions" implies that there was some back-and-forth. If it was truly unanimous, what exactly were the discussions about? I loved the piece, Emma. I just hope that you find this end result worth it all. There's a lot that can't be unseen... Feb 11, 2011 07:05 AM dwinning (31741) If you don't like the subject matter, fine, don't read it. You could easily tell from the lead-in on the front page that the article was quirky and risque. And if that was too subtle for you, the first line of the article was even more clear. One Flap Down (30321) I have to say that when I subscribed to BP for fantasy baseball information, this isn't exactly what I had in mind. One Flap Down (30321) By the way, I wonder where this book by my nicknamed namesake would fit into the picture here: Ben Solow (35415) Sadly, one wonders if Dustin Pedroia's "laser show" and "rocket show" catchphrases were used in the Derek (Jeter? Lowe?)/Pedroia story. sfastatsprof (10235) Respectfully, I'd like to add a "thumbs down" to this type of article appearing on BP. I fully understand that others saw the humor in it, but with so many articles to read and so many competing sites that carry baseball information - I can't help but place Emma Span's name at the back of the queue for a while. Again, respectfully - I don't believe you can really afford to come out of the chute as a new writer at a place like BP and split your audience without some of us ignoring your writing for a while - the competition is too stiff to believe otherwise. Ben Solow (35415) I don't really understand why the second part of your comment implies the first part. It's fine if you don't care to read Emma's work, but is it going to drive you away from BP? There are a lot of sites that post things that I don't find interesting, but it doesn't prevent me from reading the things that I do find interesting on those same sites. sfastatsprof (10235) Oh, it won't drive me away from BP..it'd take a lot to do that. I was just stating that I have a choice as to which articles and authors I read on BP, THT, BTF, Fangraphs and other sites I visit daily. Since the competition is stiff and there are many articles available to read each day, all I need is one really extreme turn off (in my opinion) to force an author to the back of the queue. I suspect I'll read Emma's work again, but she did nothing today to make me interested in reading her contributions at BP in the near future. In summary, it was a poor move for a new author at as well-known place as BP. Ben Solow (35415) That's definitely reasonable...but on the other hand, I would question why you really care if BP publishes this type of article. It's not going to change your behavior at all; whether Emma regrets it as a first article or article for this site in general (I certainly hope she doesn't on both counts) is irrelevant to whether the material is appropriate for publishing at BP. Nate W. (36153) Welcome Emma. I received your book as a gift a few months ago and enjoyed it thoroughly. I'm excited you will be writing for BP. Emma Span (25959) I've rarely managed to upset so many people before breakfast! sfastatsprof (10235) Emma, I appreciate your response to my post directly. I hope you'll read my other reply right above this one. I intend at some point to read your work again. But when you take the chance that you did by writing an article that dances near the fence... you are sure to push some people over. I most certainly will NOT be so narrow as to exclude you permanently from my reading, but the article alienated me temporarily from your writing and hence, it will be harder in the future for me to be won over to your talents. Finally and respectfully, I consider your topic a very poor choice for your introductory piece at BP. bumphadley (59692) Would there be nearly so much negativity if the article had been about women writing heterosexual fantasy porn about baseball players? If anything, I would bet that such an article would be a matter of indifference. PeterBNYC (15402) You would be wrong. PeterBNYC (15402) I steadfastly refuse to get the point. This is a baseball performance analysis site. That's why I come here and why I pay for it. If the comments from editors whom I thought would be more responsible characters are indicative of where you are heading, you will soon be able to count me out. It's the Pizza Parlor Rule- the store that provides me food poisoning, however nice guys they are and however unintentional, never gets another chance. CRP13 (46873) Curious - which editor comments are you referring to? I think they've been pretty good about answering those of us that disagree with the decision, without being petty, aggressive, or defensive. This is a baseball site. Performance analysis may be our main area of content, but it is not, and has never been, our only one. Feb 11, 2011 09:38 AM Karl T (28038) Why can't I give Jay Jaffe comments a "minus"? dwinning (31741) If you have no desire to read something, I have the solution: don't read it. It's fast, it's easy, it's free! Everyone wins! Rick C. (29999) You know what I don't click on? Stuff about hardcore performance analysis. I already gradated, and I sucked at math, and sometimes those articles are like doing that all over again. brandetd (26819) Since pornography has now been added, are there any plans for gambling and prescription drugs? Patrick (26006) Gambling and drugs (prescription and non) have been, and always will be, a bigger part of baseball for much longer than internet fan fiction. Baseball Prospectus has run numerous articles about both. Were you outraged? brandetd (26819) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. Thats fine and good but obviously not what was implied. When do we get to place bets and buy prescription drugs from BP? Patrick (26006) I wasn't setting up a strawman argument, because I didn't see the article as being pornographic. It was about an unusual way baseball fandom manifests itself in a time when nearly everything can be shared online. It may have made allusions to sexually explicit material and certainly contained innuendo, but Ms. Span did not write anything pornographic. There aren't even links to the stories she discusses, so it's not like you can say BP is giving you access in any way to pornographic content. Noel Steere (965) So you equate an article about gay porn involving baseball players to having gay sex with baseball players? davelamb (1911) Can you explain to me how this article "poisoned the pizza" for you? Has the baseball performance analysis you come to this site for been degraded in some way? One Flap Down (30321) Where was this comment on the Ferris Bueller piece? There wasn't any performance analysis there. Rusty Pecker (36968) How can you prove it was the pizza parlor? Food-borne illnesses can show up sometimes 3 days after consumption. Also, most people eat pizza with their hands and few wash them before they eat and even if they do it only takes a microscopic amount of norovirus that they might have missed while washing to make you violently ill. CRP13 (46873) I already said it doesn't offend me. What I said was it's tasteless and pointless. There's no basis for your speculation. bumphadley (59692) You find it tasteless and pointless because you don't find the joke amusing. Jokes often are tasteless and pointless. Emma Span (25959) Ha. I think this is my favorite comment. Emma Span (25959) "I already said it doesn't offend me. What I said was it's tasteless and pointless," that is. Oh, if THAT's all that's bothering you... CRP13 (46873) I've noticed most people are black-or-white types. I'm a "gray area" guy. I appreciate what the article has to offer, while questioning the decision to publish it here. The "slay the dragon!" comments in this thread bother me more than anything you wrote in the article. Emma Span (25959) Well, thanks! And I certainly can't argue with "tasteless." DDriesen (43091) I don't think Kinsler found salty tasteless, but then again I didn't click on the link... Rick C. (29999) If there is not one single person out there who does not find a piece of humor tasteless... then it wasn't very funny. eighteen (1432) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. That's right, imply that everyone who didn't care for the article is homophobic. touchstone033 (47728) bump: you may be right. Who knows? Given the trend of the site lately, we may have a chance to see. yadenr (36923) Since we seem to be voting, I will go thumbs up. I enjoy BP for writing that explores and questions the tropes of [life] baseball, and this qualifies. It is well written and funny to boot, so good coffee-time at the computer before the drudgery of work sets in. Thanks. NYYanks826 (37443) Hmmm... Deadheadbrewer (28364) I enjoy reading about baseball, no matter what the angle, so I actually read this article all the way through. I thought it presented a well-written and enjoyable take on baseball fans that I NEVER would have imagined existed. It's nice to sometimes see something other than a 1500-word analysis on Sabathia's pinky toe angle on the rubber during May games when the temperature is below 70 degrees F. HeavyHitter (2240) I completely agree. It was interesting to learn of a baseball subculture I never knew existed. Writers love to find something to poke fun at and Emma struck a rich vein here. (Not that I would want regular updates; this is a one-and-gone type of subject.) perforatededge54 (33931) Hilarious. There isn't anything in the fine print that says every article has to revolve around numbers. Shankweather (1804) I could really get into some baseball fan fiction, if it was a story about Cubs management making one brilliant move after another. Pat Folz (6254) Leon Lee wandered down to the local ballpark one lonely Gwangju night in search of something special, and found a man standing alone on the diamond with a massive sack of balls swinging a huge, unlubed bat – Hee-Seop Choi! And at once Lee was overcome with realization and regret, for why hadn’t he (or anyone else in baseball) ever noticed it before? Pine tar! Choi never used enough pine tar on his bat! Lee whipped it out right then and there (his cell phone, that is!) and dialed up his old friend Jim Hendry… Hee-Seop Choi with a .286 batting average, a .409 OBP and 43 homers? Damn it, man, you almost pulled off a first for BP: triple-slash fiction! Feb 11, 2011 12:17 PM perforatededge54 (33931) I also wonder which line this article is crossing. Where is the line, what does it represent and who put it there? bflaff1 (54933) Thanks, BP. That was a fun diversion. Too bad about the controversy. Tommy Bennett (15654) Buried in all this is the fact that the name of your new column is absolutely brilliant. frampton (870) I have to admit that I like the notion that decisions whether or not to publish material that clearly won't be everyone's cup of tea lean toward publication. As has been pointed out, it's easy enough to click back to the main page, where there is plenty of analytical material for any subscriber. I wouldn't want to think that something that would amuse me, or challenge me in a different way, was written and then nixed because it might possibly offend someone, or be considered tasteless by someone. PeterBNYC (15402) Interesting- this piece is now preceded by an "Adult Content" warning, which I don't believe was there to begin with? I don't think you have begun to hear yet the comments from dads who see what the kids have been looking at since late afternoon? I sure hope I'm wrong. One crummy editorial decision should not harm the BP brand. It wasn't there to begin with, but it is not there because of the comments. It was meant to be there from the start. We don't shy away from adult subject matter, but we do like to give a heads up, like we do for the podcast. Feb 11, 2011 10:36 AM TangoTiger (57181) Actually, you DID AND DO have a "NSFW" tag on the home page in the teaser. I think if that had carried over to the main article, that would have helped (somewhat, though presumably someone will always say it's not enough). Then again, probably many readers might not even know what NSFW even means. Let me know when you come across some Eddie Gaedel/Jon Rauch slash fic. The world needs to see those two together. Feb 11, 2011 09:48 AM Jobert (57450) Do GMs ever get involved? A Michael Young/Jon Daniels piece could help them work through their issues. steve.k (20200) Gee whiz. This is a lot of ado about nothing so much. If you couldn't figure out to stop reading within 10 seconds...Some free advice - if this was too tasteless for you, please do not look for Zap Comix from the 60's. ruben398 (17702) Funny stuff, I certainly didn't mind. Shoot, even had a disclaimer. It is a common criticism of the United States that American's are far too easily offended by "adult" subject matter. ruben398 (17702) "American's are far too easily offended" Brian Kopec (12249) I know more American's who are over-educated than under-educated. Matt Kory (17492) If nothing else I think this demonstrates the futility of the plus/minus comments system. Jon Hegglund (40386) This piece is brilliant--great job, Emma. Pat Folz (6254) Thoroughly agree, the article was hilarious and fascinating. FastballVelociraptor (17028) Not interested in this and also don't like how BP staff are not subject to their comments being +'d and -'d graignettles (15318) Great idea for BP: Why not have + or - availability next to the author's name (all authors, not just this one) for instant feedback on the value of the article to the readership? You will be able to tell quickly how well received an article is. Lots of minuses = this may not be working for our readership. Just a thought. NYYanks826 (37443) Let's face it. The only baseball-related fan fiction out there should involve Sal Fasano. After all, he is already rocking the true porn-star 'stache. christopherchu (21169) BP has been one of my favorite sites for a long time. I love the writers and the content. Ms. Span seems like a talented writer from this first article, and I should be excited to read what she has to say, but the specific topic of this article is very disappointing to me. Mr. Cthulhu (47348) Christopher, I'm not going to ridicule you, but I'll say this: This fiction exists, if the subject matter offends you that is fine. As you say it is your morality and you don't need to defend that. But, you shouldn't blame BP for bringing to light the fact that this stuff exists. Had Emma posted an entire graphic slash fiction story she wrote I would understand where you are coming from. But, all she did was bring to light a sub-culture that already existed. Would you really be better off pretending that this area of baseball fans did not exist? I understand you may not have wanted to know about it, but at that point you're just pulling the wool over your eyes regarding what really goes on in the world. You don't have to like it, but you have to accept that it exists. Matt (35980) I think this article is particularly relevant to some of the current discussion about how personality narratives are created and attached to players, particularly in the case of Michael Young, the ultimate team player. We all like to use our imagination to some degree or another. Some of it gets labeled as fiction. Some of it gets labeled as reporting. VDracul (34252) Nothing against porn, but what precisely does this have to do with baseball analysis? Unless PECOTA uses penis size as part of its projections, can we stick to baseball analysis? VDracul (34252) Dianagram I love it! Value over replacement penis...I may have to steal that for my female friends with their boy problems. DDriesen (43091) I hate to ask, but what is Replacement Value going to be set at? Is PECOTA set for comps? Personally, I would love for my top 3 to be Milton Berle, John Holmes and Nick "the Dick" from "Bachelor Party" (dating myself with that reference). Dare to dream... Behemoth (46675) More articles like this please. If you don't like it, don't read it. If you're still really bothered, then don't renew your subscription. Maybe next time, just put "Don't click here if you are easily offended." as the link, and we can avoid most of the moaning. R.A.Wagman (32721) Almost as many comments as the PECOTA release (not really, but way, way closer than most articles here). Well done, Span! ostrowj1 (8095) I don't want to contribute to the "I hate this article" stack, I just think it is important to realize why people some of the BP readers have the negative reaction that they have. I understand that I do not have to read the article. I am sure there are plenty of things out on the internets that I would be bothered reading. For me anyway, this is not a satisfying response. This is not a random website. This is a place where I have spent a lot of time. I know it is silly, but I feel that in some way I am a part of BP, and I think a lot of readers feel the same. It isn't that the material is offensive per se, but that it is published on a website that I identify with. I am all for pushing the envelope and appreciate the effort. Personally, I think it went a little too far, but I appreciate the comments left by the BP staff. I guess my main point, mostly for the community, is not to dismiss the negative comments as people just being prudes. Maybe people's disappointment is CRP13 (46873) THIS. kjgilber (3576) +100 Jamie (57436) "I know it is silly, but I feel that in some way I am a part of BP, and I think a lot of readers feel the same." amazin_mess (9525) I am still in shock that this was published on this website. If this is any indicator of the direction Prospectus is heading, I'm spending that money on Joe Sheehan's blog, where they talk about actual baseball. Matt Kory (17492) Yeah, because they never talk about actual baseball here. By my calculations, only 99.9999% of the articles BP has ever published have been about actual baseball. Unacceptable! thegeneral13 (32625) I honestly thought the NSFW warning was a joke. That seemed far more likely than BP actually publishing NSFW content. Oops. thegeneral13 (32625) And by the way, how many unpalatable articles should one be expected to identify as such and skip in search of the reason they came to the website in the first place? Surely it's more than one, but the cost of irrelevant or objectionable content isn't zero, so I don't think the "just don't read it if you don't like it" argument holds water. Juris (1283) Preseason Locker Room Conversation, Sarasota FL, March 2, 2011 It's probably worth pointing out that whether you liked this piece or not, none of you paid money to read it - it was out in front of the paywall, free to anyone who stopped by. Feb 11, 2011 15:37 PM TangoTiger (57181) Jay, I'm not sure how a subscriber is supposed to know if an article is behind the pay wall or not. I'm also not sure that because the article is available to everyone means that the subscriber has less "rights" in terms of voicing their opinion. The little BP logos in front of an article title on the home page or in the Recently At Baseball Prospectus, More From [Date] and More By [Author] sections denote Premium subscriber-only content. The blue-boxed F logo denotes Fantasy and Premium subscriber-only content. If there's no logo in front - as is the case on several of today's offerings, it's in front of the pay wall. Feb 11, 2011 17:49 PM TangoTiger (57181) Jay: Matt Kory (17492) There's a giant obvious logo next to the article on the home page. You really need more than that? Dan (1557) Tom, you're the only person asserting that "a reader's rights are somehow different for an article that is premium or free." TangoTiger (57181) If that's the case, then I don't understand the point of Jay saying: Pat Folz (6254) I took it as merely reminding anyone who might actually be seriously reconsidering their BP subscription that this article wasn't something they paid for the privilege of reading. Essentially it headed off any "I paid for THIS???" type criticism (not that I noticed any). ofMontreal (37476) As long as we're counting votes: 2 thumbs up Emma. Really interesting stuff. amazin_mess (9525) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. That's good. Because the next time I read trash like this, I expect BP to pay us. bquine (30459) I loved this. Absolutely hilarious. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more articles of a similar outlandish tenor and humor. Then again, I did once toy with the notion of trolling the Boston Red Sox usenet group with Rod Beck/Rich Garces slash fic back in the day... I've been a BP subscriber for many years, and this is the first article that I felt compelled to read out loud to my wife, knowing she'd enjoy it as much as I did (with a little bit of coaching as to who Jarrod Saltalamacchia is). Well done, Emma. Feb 11, 2011 17:02 PM BillWW (5948) Baseball intersects with culture in myriad ways, does it not, objectors? I was thoroughly amused even though I've encountered this (pulsing, purple) vein of fandom before. amazin_mess (9525) I've subcribed for 8 years. I've watched this site lose legends like Will Carroll, Joe Sheehan, Nate Silver and Gary Hackabay. It just seems to this subscriber, one lone opinion, that the BP is heading in a new direction, one I'm not sure I want to be a part of. From these comment sections to articles like this - it all seems "beneath" what BP used to be about. Behemoth (46675) It's one article. You don't like it, fine, but this seems a bit of an over-reaction. I won't begrudge anyone their opinion on Emma's article, and I appreciate the decorum with which people have discussed their feelings about it. Feb 11, 2011 17:54 PM Absolutely. We're not heading in some new direction. Far from it, in fact. What we are doing is getting bigger, and exploring new avenues, some of them more light-hearted, but the core of hard care analysis is actually bigger than ever, and we are producing 3-5x the content we did three years ago and not charging a penny more. Feb 11, 2011 17:59 PM John Douglass (53235) I'm not questioning direction, but I can see how some subscribers would Perhaps Ms. Span ought to have spent a few months writing about baseball and building trust with the readers before asking that we indulge her in a flight of fancy that has, really, nothing to do with baseball. And let's be honest: this piece is not about baseball culture, it's about fan-fiction culture. We'll indulge the writers we like, but when you have a newbie write a, well, a...a....a just....jeez Kevin a piece that's not terrible, but it's so out of place on this site it's worthless to most of the readership, you can't be too surprised when a portion the readership questions direction. delasky (59946) I'm a new subscriber and have been fairly happy with the content on BP so far. Then I read this article. Now I am finally, completley convinced that my subscription was money well spent. Fantastic article, taking a quirky look at the far edges of fandom and relating it back to the mainstream. amazin_mess (9525) It will take more than this to make me leave. Noel Steere (965) First off, I'm really impressed with the new blood that's been introduced to us over the last couple of weeks. THIS. This is the kind of discussion that I felt this article should/would provoke. Where do you draw the boundaries of fandom and hero worship? Why is it on one level acceptable to say, "I'll always love Famous Shortstop even if he hits .239," but not okay to really, y'know, LOVE him, or fantasize about it? Who is to say which way of acting with the game is the right one? I pose these as rhetorical questions--I don't claim to have the answers. There is nothing salacious here, but a question of philosophy raised by the game, in the same way it has raised so many issues that extend beyond the lines over the years. Feb 12, 2011 01:47 AM thegeneral13 (32625) That's what you think this is about? "Fandom?" Sheesh. I'd love to hear your spin on 2 girls 1 cup. Something that just occurred to me: Is there reality show fanfic? That seems like it would be a direct comp for baseball fanfic in terms of being about real people, but without the "we don't think about them that way" aspect. I wonder if 1) it exists and 2) people would have the same reaction to it. Feb 12, 2011 06:59 AM Patrick (26006) I'm glad somebody finally said this. The only reason this article will probably break the 200-comment barrier is because of the homosexuality. Honestly, I doubt this would have caused this much controversy if it were about players having sex with women. Patrick (26006) Also, I'd much rather having this stuff floating around the internet than the creepy Harry Potter fan fiction I've seen. At least baseball players are legal adults. CRP13 (46873) "Honestly, I doubt this would have caused this much controversy if it were about players having sex with women." Patrick (26006) I didn't say individuals wouldn't take issue with it, but the level of controversy would likely have been much lower. Sure, you and a few others may have found it too off-topic and inappropriate for BP. I just don't think you'd see as many comments threatening to swear off BP because they've turned into a gay porn site. graignettles (15318) How about BP getting Joe Queenan to guest column every once in awhile? Irreverent, sarcastic and sardonic, and certainly not everyone's cup-o-tea, Joe has written about baseball and certainly has enough "street cred" to compete with the writings of Miss Span in the not-stat-based-baseball topic section of the site. yanksgood (1762) I don't give a rats butt if you don't believe me, but i had decided not to renew my BP subscription this year. This article reinforces that decision of mine. thejewishkidsk (57831) I've been a subscriber since the day it became a pay site. I'm definitely done! Noel Steere (965) I've never been sure about the salience of having an ID number next to each user's name; it can lead to newbies being denigrated simply for being new. yanksgood (1762) I just want BP to go back to the days when I wanted to read each article the moment it was posted. This doesn’t help. R.A.Wagman (32721) Interesting how the overwhelming majority find this kind of article to be enjoyably irreverent, and a small,but vocal minority are absolutely offended, and/or disappointed in BP. Not that there is ever anything wrong about being in the abject minority (I think many of us often are, in one way or another), but sometimes it can be instructive to stop and consider why we are in the minority on a given point. CRP13 (46873) R.A., you're only seeing what you want to see. If it were a vocal minority, then my comments above would all be so "minused" that they'd never see the light of day. As it is, most are approaching double digit "pluses". CRP13, without trying to estimate what percentage of our readership was or wasn't offended, I'd just like to point out an observation - pertaining not only to this thread but to controversial topics on this site in general - that it's not a contrary opinion which leads to comments being "minused" so much as it is a shrill tone and a lack of substance to those comments. Feb 12, 2011 12:58 PM CRP13 (46873) Jay, I don't agree, though I wish I did. I try to keep a rational tone when I disagree with an article (or somebody posting), yet whenever I go against the prevailing wind, I invariably get slammed. I do regret the "trash" remark in my very first post up top and would take it back if I could. With that in mind almost since I clicked submit, I've paid attention to my tone since. JosephC (49300) Tone *does* matter in my experience, but you don't generally get positive votes for having an unpopular opinion respectfully argued - you just don't get negative votes. R.A.Wagman (32721) What am I seeing and what do I want to see? I am seeing a few readers (some frequent commenters, others less so) who are very upset by this article. I see many, many others who loved it. CRP13 (46873) All very good points, and if you graze my comments you'll see that none of my objections were over the homosexual innuendos in the article. So I really can't answer that part. R.A.Wagman (32721) Fair enough. I'm not accusing you of anything in particular. You must have noticed, though, that most of the other bashers were more explicit in their objections. (I am choosing my words carefully). How about a general post about the plethora of baseball blogging that is changing the way we read the game? Outside of a few pieces by Christina Kahrl, and one or two by Bradford Doolittle, when was the last time you read a good game story? CRP13 (46873) Gotcha. Know what's funny? Since I answered you last, someone has gone back and "minused" every single one of my posts in this thread. craigburley (14057) Loved the article; funny and offbeat and Richard Bergstrom (36532) A few years ago, I wrote quite often for a fantasy sports stock site called ProTrade where you basically invested in players from MLB, NBA, etc. The thing I liked about that site was that I could write stock projection pieces in one post and in another, go complete comedy or satire. Suffice it to say, the comedy got stuff got great feedback. One of the pieces I did was a "morning after" between Jose Canseco, Alex Rodriguez and Madonna right after A-Rod's steroid admission. It wasn't outright explicit (though it had tons of innuendo). Nonetheless, though it had nothing to do with ProTrade, stock valuation or even reality, people loved it. ScottyB (23917) Unfortunately, BP will look at the number of comments and conclude that bad articles like this one will drive traffic to their site and, therefore, publish more of it. ScottyB (23917) Yes, this comment of mine was so inappropriate it had to be minused by other readers. Geez. Yatchisin (487) I was sad that it was still a week till pitchers and catchers would report. This article cheered me, then, as I realize in some way they already had. thejewishkidsk (57831) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. This is pathetic. Once again, "Where have you gone Gary Huckabay"? Emma Span (25959) Regardless of your thoughts on the column, the plan is for me to write every other week; no one is eliminating BP's traditional baseball analysis to make room for this, so all the "this isn't why I read, I'm unsubscribing!" wailing seems melodramatic and unnecessary. Although, I'm not going to lie, pretty entertaining. ostrowj1 (8095) Unfortunately you cannot expect consumers to voice their displeasure in the most professional way possible. I think it is reasonable, however, to expect professionals to respond to criticism in a professional manner. Maybe it is the tone of some of the comments that are fueling the unnecessary melodrama? amazin_mess (9525) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. And this is why many people won't read your articles. If it's "entertaining" that people end up unsubscribing, may be you should think about why you write. perforatededge54 (33931) Yes Emma, why is it that your write anyway? Can't you tell literary scholars such as amazin_mess have deemed your work unimportant and unworthy of their time? What is it, exactly, that you are failing to see here? Why haven't you hung up your pen and taken your non-extant talents elsewhere? I AM A SUBSCRIBER, I DEMAND ANSWERS! brooksp (7767) Loved it! Funny and who knew such stuff was going on out there in cyberspace? amazin_mess (9525) Why exactly do those that didn't like it have to be labeled? Matt Kory (17492) Is it possible you could just, you know, be quiet if you don't have anything useful to say? thejewishkidsk (57831) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. Emma is "so funney and irreverent." She's never upset so many people before breakfast. Wow! You are so full of yourself. I know how to solve any financial problems I may have. I'd like to buy you for what you're worth, and sell you for what you THINK you're worth. Emma Span (25959) Why so angry? Like I said, it's going to be one fairly short column, every other week. Even if you feel compelled to read it for some reason - and I don't see why you would - it seems unlikely to have a huge impact on your life. I think BP, to say nothing of the internet, is big enough for all of us. VDracul (34252) As funny as gay porn may be, I just don't want it on BP. I can always find porn on the internet, I can't always find good baseball analysis. Had there been some or anything about the game in here, I might have liked it. VDracul (34252) By the way, a suggestion for BP: can we get a message sent to our emails when someone responds to our posts? Egotists like me who always want the last word would appreciate that opportunity. mkapellas (17748) Well done, Emma. You're nobody until amazin_mess says you're nobody. thejewishkidsk (57831) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. Enough of this! It's on to one of MANY great baseball web sites. Like FanGraph. And you're right Jay, I will not have had to pay for it. (Check out their Spring Training get together. It sounds reminiscent of the BP "Pizza Feeds." amazin_mess (9525) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. Fangraphs is better....and no gay porn either. mrdannyg (56518) These posts are pretty funny. Fangraphs probably has more articles that are tangental to baseball than any other major site. Hell, they have a whole Notgraphs section. Joe D. (3692) "Enough of this! It's on to one of MANY great baseball web sites. Like FanGraph." Mr. Cthulhu (47348) I didn't realize how irrational saber minded readers could be. Anyone saying they have to fear the new authors or the content from BP after reading this article is making a huge leap in logic. Do you really think the content of the site is going to radically shift towards fan fiction or pornography? This was one article. About one sub set of fans that have a bizarre way of expressing themselves. If you're too irrational to realize that, maybe you should wander over to an ESPN article and discuss how awesome Ryan Howard's RBI totals are. leites (17240) Emma - Enjoyed the article, thanks! carlbrownson (59095) Wow! It's ridiculous to say that you're going to avoid BP because they published an article you didn't like. If you don't want to read these in the future, don't. If you feel like you have to banish BP from your life now, then I suspect, despite all protests to the contrary, that you really are homophobic. People don't protest like this when they don't like some sabermetric idea. Certainly something explains the drastic overreactions. Homophobia would. Matt Kory (17492) Let me see if I can sum up the objections. Ben H. (24476) I've never really posted comments here, but I thought I'd throw in my two cents. I wasn't offended or irritated by this article at all, though I was a bit surprised that the editors of BP felt comfortable with this level of adult content. This is not a criticism and I actually applaud the comfort with which BP has embraced more expressive and occasionally explicit (i.e. the uncensored nature of the podcast) outlets for content. Bravo for not being afraid to unleash your creative outlets. Rowen Bell (5629) I suspect that most of the negative commenters (a) dislike on moral grounds the existence of slash fanfic on the internet, and (b) dislike anything that reminds them that slash fanfic may exist on the internet. JosephC (49300) I think it's a less-explored area of baseball-in-society that was interesting to read about. I would have liked it more if there was a little more background (do baseball players attract more of this than football players, or politicians? Latin players more than white players, or vice versa? Could Ms. Span have tried to interview an author about the community and how readers respond to this writing?). saucyjack88 (20953) Well over two hundred comments and counting. I'd say that this article did what it was meant to do, what I imagine EVERY article published on this site is supposed to do, and that is create dialogue and discussion. Bravo. vtadave (11550) I guess I'll add my 2 cents, just because everyone else seems to have. Randy Brown (189) The only two people that Frank McCourt is going to pay $300 million over the next 10 years are his divorce lawyer and his ex-wife. brandetd (26819) BP has jumped the shark. Aaay! (one self aggrandizing thumb up and one thumb poking its readership in the eye) anderson721 (18704) Well, nothing in here will help my fantasy team....I think.... but I was entertained and will have something to talk about at the draft. Put me down in the "thumbs up" column Sal T (6947) It's just an article. What's to cancel a subscription over. Was it my cup of tea? Perhaps not but I did learn something new. Thanks Emma and welcome to BP. VDracul (34252) @ RA Wagman: I perhaps am too optimistic in thinking that intelligent people could have different views and discuss it maturely. Are we no better than our hapless politicians? Joe D. (3692) Well, as long as half the free world is giving their opinion on this, I might as well chime in. hokie94 (1211) So what exactly was NSFW.....i mean when i see that I want porn....and boobies!! If you thought this article was porn.... well I would say your imagination was working overtime..... Great article about a well quite obscure section of fandom. BRAVO!!! surveyzas (119) BP staff: dating back to the comment thread that erupted on the State of the Prospectus leading into 2010, there was talk of how the content had become less "fun" (a sentiment i wholeheartedly agreed with at the time.) since then, we've seen more light-hearted work from some newer and older voices alike, though i've wondered at times whether you heard what we claimed to be missing, some fourteen months ago. NYYanks826 (37443) Can we all just agree that, regardless of whether you like this article or think it's in good/bad taste, that at least it provoked perhaps the greatest comment thread in the short history of BP comments? Richard Bergstrom (36532) Eh... most of the arguments here (What is this doing on a BP site? The +/- system sucks, etc.) are a bit of a rehash. It's a good comment thread, but I'd probably nominate Joe Sheenan putting a suspended Manny Ramirez on his All-Star ballot instead... and there were some neat commentary threads during BP Idol. dpratola (1450) First, the article... I found it mildly amusing, but mostly... meh. But I've had the good fortune to read some of Emma's work in the past, and it's been fantastic, and I'm thrilled that BP has added her. I'll be looking for her byline. (And I share the suspicion of others above who think that some substantial amount of the negative reaction to this article is driven by homophobia.) rfhp (60008) I find the Dan Johnson and Kila Ka'aihue projections just as surprising as you do. mkdelucas (53108) My guess is that people are freaked by the homosexuality. amazin_mess (9525) My uncle was gay. The homosexuality isn't the issue for me. Its the fact that this topic was introduced to this site. Despite what some of the BP writers contend, this site is heading in new directions. Most I have enjoyed. This I found objectionable simply because it has nothing to do with the everyday baseball fan. TangoTiger (57181) This post seemed reasonable enough to me. I see already two minuses, and then I saw the poster's name. I think the "minusing" system is a terrible system, acting as both "disagree" and as "disagreeable". ostrowj1 (8095) I think there are many reasons to think that as a whole, BP readers are more open minded with regard to homosexuality than most internet forums. I am not naive enough to believe it doesn't exist here, but it seems crazy to assume that the real reason people are offended is homophobia. CRP13 (46873) This--along with all the other "homophobe suspicions" like it--is the most cop-out response in this thread. Don't like what somebody is saying? Attack them! Attack! No evidence here backs up your statement except A) there is some homosexual innuendos in the article, and B) people don't like it. Cory Schwartz (6431) Long-time BPro reader and fan. I didn't like this piece, not because I'm offended by it (I'm not) or I'm homophobic (I'm not) or because I have anything against Emma (I don't). amazin_mess (9525) LOL....trust me Tiger, I don't care. Once a post is gray-barred, more people read it anyway. It was a reasonable post. But the rule on the comment threads is simple, disagree with the majority or disagree with BP authors and you will be minused. Dan W. (42065) Listen, Span, nice column and all, but here's what I want to know: You play a fine center field, but is your OBP going to rebound this year? Or was 2009 just a BABIP-driven fluke? JParks (25951) Not even that entertaining. If this is the type of work we can expect from Ms. Span, this is a very disappointing hire for BP. Waste of a roster spot. gilgamesh (19005) Wow... this many comments for this fluff? That would be the definition of way too much time on your hands. braden23 (26308) I'm not offended, just not the baseball insight I am looking for. I skimmed this article, and that is becoming a much higher percentage here than I wish. amazin_mess (9525) Which means we'll get getting another dose. Might I suggest a tryst between Bud Selig and Pete Rose? drmagoo (4021) Count me in the list of people who were more amused than offended. Is this an article I expected to read on BP? No. But baseball is about a lot more than statistics, and so is this site - there's always (since I've been reading) been a bunch of articles about the history and culture of the sport. Dishonesty and deliberate ignorance offend me, this doesn't. ChinMusic (16135) I read almost every article on this site and can say that for my taste, the entertaining and useful content of the site has been in a free-fall since the departure of Joe and Will. This article was the giant "thud" of it finally hitting the bottom. I sincerely hope that at least a fraction of the new talent being brought in can begin to distinguish themselves as must-read baseball writers. The internet if full of people writing about baseball but very few can convey a combination of intelligence, information and entertainment. My wish is that BP's leadership will search for these individuals and focus on quality, not quantity. I look forward to the season starting and see what the new writers can do with something to work with. JParks (25951) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. Went and read a few of Ms. Span's other posts, on her blog, Slate, and on some other blogs. Pretty pedestrian stuff. Having a hard time understanding why the current Prospectus administration thought she would be able to make a contribution. Just another obnoxious New York City liberal as far as I could tell. At least she apparently has good taste in dogs - although being a fellow owner of a not-so-bright Labrador retriever will not be enough to get me to read any more of her columns. Richard Bergstrom (36532) Accusing her of East Coast bias already? Was it the Varitek and Nomar exploits or the Mirabelli fetish? Richard Bergstrom (36532) Actually, now that I look at it, everyone she listed besides Ian Kinsler played in the AL East or NL East. Adrian (23655) Were you to ask me what sort of article I would find most unlikely to grace the "pages" of BP, I think MLB slash fiction would be near the top of the list. RONCA2955 (30869) Looks like Prospectus is following the lines of ESPN the Magazine, Sporting News and others. The glitz and glitter attract a different audience. Maybe the new audience is more appealing than those of us who have supported Prospectus for years. Well, I guess we can look forward to the centerfolds and swim suit editions. Drew (16454) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. While everyone has the right to like or dislike what they want, I find it hard to believe that anyone "offended" by this article wasn't offended because of the homosexual references. samkparker (38372) This is enough to make me cancel my subscription to BP, which I will do right after I post this comment (I'll keep buying the annual though!) A small and irrelevant act of defiance against the mainstream-ization of porn and the continuing erosion of traditional social norms. amazin_mess (9525) Other readers have rated this comment below the viewing threshold. Click here to view anyway. I agree with you and there's definitely more of this cuming. I mean coming. Richard Bergstrom (36532) Under that rationale, do you stop reading ESPN because they post about Brett Favre sending naked pictures around, or CNN/MSNBC/Fox for talking about the latest sex tape (at best) or the newest exploits of Snooki (at worst)? touchstone033 (47728) Why invoke "free speech"? As far as I saw, no one suggested Span be hauled off to jail for the article. bbienk01 (42333) No but many people criticized BP for publishing this article. As a private company, BP has the right to censor itself without violating the First Amendment, but I'm glad they made a decision that promotes free expression rather than censoring it. thegeneral13 (32625) I answered this above. Irrelevant articles are a tax on those who don't wish to read them, as they can't be identified and skipped with zero cost. One article is a negligible tax, but the proliferation of content on this site has brought a lot of dubious material and the tax is mounting. In my view this has been going on for about a year now (BP Idol, half-baked statistical articles, etc.) and has culminated with Emma's piece above. What you are seeing in the comments section is a boiling over for many who feel the same way. I've seen similar sentiments expressed in other articles over the past year, but they seem to have coalesced over this article since it is so far removed from what BP has traditionally produced. So the outright dismissal of those who object as being homophobes is largely misplaced in my view - the "trend" that people are talking about goes far beyond this article or the topic of homosexuality - that's just so simple-minded of an explanation that I have a hard time believing so many commenters subscribe to it. We appreciate your input, especially when you take the time to lay out your thoughts carefully like this. The need for a new interface is recognized, and that is in the works. Feb 15, 2011 11:35 AM bbienk01 (42333) This is a very fair position. To the extent that people did not like this article because they found it inappropriate or offensive -- which is the position taken by many many people in the comments, though certainly not everyone who had a negative view of this article -- my point above stands. Shadetree42 (33584) Or...just keep non-baseball articles off the site -- and yes, politics aside, this is a non-baseball article. Saves countless subscribers time, and presumable saves some resources for BP. CRP13 (46873) One can protest an article containing references to sex (gay or not) without being a homophobe. "Homophobe" is a word that is thrown around almost as irresponsibly as "racist". amazin_mess (9525) It's a convenient cop-out for those that disagreed with those that didn't like the article. CRP13 (46873) Agreed. I'm accused of making "straw man" arguments. Well, I say that labeling dissenters as homphobes is a "cowardly lion" argument. bbienk01 (42333) "One can protest an article containing references to sex (gay or not) without being a homophobe." ostrowj1 (8095) I read "Some of it was indisputably because of homophobia (there are several comments that explicitly describe the article as inappropriate because it is about gay sex), though its obviously not fair to paint a majority of the criticism as homophobic." in a way similar to CRP. Specifically, the reason that "evidence of homophobia is indisputable" is that there are several comments that "explicitly describe the article as inappropriate because it is about gay sex". CRP13 (46873) Wow, you totally misunderstood me, so I'll chose not to be annoyed. I wasn't contradicting you, I was building on what you said (though I agree with ostrojw1....my first read-through of your post led me to believe you were making EXACTLY that claim). bbienk01 (42333) Sorry my last comment was rude and due to frustration. I should have gone by my initial instinct and not posted without taking a deep breath. Sorry about that. spinkate (27592) This is an amazing act of openmindedness samkparker. One article you don't like and you're done. seems rational. alangreene (1408) I thought it was an entertaining and actually informative article (I honestly had no idea). alangreene (1408) If anything, I'm more annoyed that it was YET another article that centered significantly on the Yankees. I'm a Padres fan with no interest in the Yankees -- why no Chase Headley/Will Venable stories? Not a subscriber? Sign up today!
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Welcome aboard Emma! A worthy addition to the BP fold.
Now, just wondering, did you happen to come across any BP writer fan fic? :-)
Good lord, don't give anyone ideas.
...and Steven leaned over to Kevin and whispered gently in his ear, "I'll be your velo whore anytime."
"What are you drinking?"
"Whatever you are having ..."
"I'm a .9er"
"Well, I'm a 10 incher."
Please minus that.
Psst, wanna see my PECOTA?
Suddenly, from out of the shadows, Jason appeared with a copy of BP2011. In a fit of rage, he struck Kevin with the weighty tome . . .
Don't forget Rule 35.