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August 19, 2011 Baseball ProGUESTusThe Dumbing-Down of ScoutingBelieve it or not, most of our writers didn't enter the world sporting an @baseballprospectus.com address; with a few exceptions, they started out somewhere else. In an effort to up your reading pleasure while tipping our caps to some of the most illuminating work being done elsewhere on the internet, we'll be yielding the stage once a week to the best and brightest baseball writers, researchers and thinkers from outside of the BP umbrella. If you'd like to nominate a guest contributor (including yourself), please drop us a line. Frankie Piliere is currently the National Baseball Expert for FOX Sports/Scout.com, and his analysis and scouting reports can be found at ScoutingBaseball.com. He previously filled the same role for AOL FanHouse. His work has also appeared in USA Today. Prior to that, he worked as a scout in the Texas Rangers’ pro scouting department. Frankie lives in Cape Cod, Mass. and is the only resident who moved there not for the beaches but for the baseball. You can find him on twitter @FrankiePiliere.
Most people don’t go as far as thinking scouts wander aimlessly around Mexico seeking 110-mph fastballs and carrying nothing but a scorecard, but some careless misconceptions continue to linger. Some are comical enough, but some perpetuate poor baseball philosophies. It’s often the media that is responsible for the dumbing-down of what scouting is all about. It’s at that point that what scouting departments do every day is taken from a science to a simplified process that would make Al Percolo and Steve Nebraska proud.
Myth #1: Players of Small Stature Are Ignored There are scouts who probably put more stock in physical size than they should. As is the case in any profession, there are evaluators who are less competent than others. Still, the idea that teams will ignore a player for being undersized couldn’t be more false.
Myth #2: Comparisons Are Skin Deep I get asked on a daily basis to give comparisons for prospects. The surprise for many people is that there isn’t always an obvious one. They’re surprised because for the longest time they’ve been the fed the idea that every prospect has to compare closely to a past or present big leaguer. Because of that, comparisons have become increasingly lazy. When I was filing reports for the Rangers, sometimes comparisons were included in the summations, and sometimes they weren’t. Often there would be a comparison that referred to one aspect of a player’s game, but rarely would there be a perfect fit. The need to give the casual fan a visual of what a young player could become is not lost on me, and making a comparison to a big leaguer that they know is a quick and easy way of accomplishing that. On the other hand, I have no doubt that fans are smart enough to accept a comparison of two players who don’t have the same skin tone. Every white center fielder is not Mickey Mantle, just as every hard-throwing, African-American right-hander is not Dwight Gooden. Some of you may laugh at this, but these examples are ones I’ve heard too many times to count.
Myth #3: Scouts Are Slaves to the Radar Gun Well, allow me to come to the defense of scouts everywhere on this. Simply because a scout carries a radar gun doesn’t mean he loses all ability to evaluate other aspects of a pitcher’s game. Radar guns are used in the first few innings of a game and then again in the final inning or so when scouting a starting pitcher. The rest of the evaluation is done from different angles around the field. Obviously, velocity is taken into account, but it is far from the last word in scouting a pitcher, and there are plenty of pitchers in the big leagues averaging under 90 mph to prove this. These players didn’t just materialize. They were evaluated by scouts.
Myth #4: A Strong Consensus Exists The media likes a consensus. It’s neat, and it helps make the desired point. It’s our job to make top prospect lists for entertainment purposes, but the reality is you’d have a wide variety of names showing up on these lists if you began asking scouts to make their own. After years of being fed lists, particularly leading up to the draft, by people like myself, there is a strong belief among fans that if a team deviates from this perceived consensus, then they’ve done a subpar job. Like clockwork, the backlash for a team’s draft class seems to come every year. Most of that backlash comes from what we in the media have said. While I’m the last one to complain about readers trusting my opinion, it always fascinates me that a fan is far more inclined to side with the media over the people paid to evaluate the players involved on a daily basis.
Frankie Piliere is an author of Baseball Prospectus. 20 comments have been left for this article.
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Myth #1 seems like a strawman. I don't hear announcers or fans or anyone else claim that short players just don't get looked at -- the argument, IME, is that short players aren't given the benefit of the scouting/projection doubt, and thus they have to do more to prove themselves worthy of a high draft pick, a big contract, a promotion, whatever.
The question isn't whether teams will give short players a chance -- the question is how much of a chance.
Agreed. I never heard someone couldn't pitch because they were 5'10" though I have heard that someone who is 5'10" doesn't project as well. Kind of like a slow first baseman who has "old player skills" will only go as far as his bat takes him.
Rhetorical question... Are these myths perpetuated by the media, in part, due to Fox Sports broadcasters?
Rupert Murdoch assured me that FOX perpetuates the truth.
They have less of a chance. Its a very common perception that at the HS and college levels that short players have the deck stacked against them. Its often said "Short players have to prove the CAN play, while tall players have to prove they can't."
Especially among pitchers, there is such a thing as a 'classic frame' which many MLB teams will gravitate towards. If all other factors are equal most pro teams will select the taller player, with the thought being his size makes him less likely to break down and therefore a safer investment.
But it's not a strawman, its a very real obstacle for players below 5' 10".
"Moneyball" may have perpetuated this. Lewis wrote about hoew the A's look for undervalued assets, such as pitchers under 6 feet tall.
If the A's ever did find undervalued short pitchers, they haven't lately. They have had just one SP (Gaudin) shorter than six feet since 2003.
"The question isn't whether teams will give short players a chance -- the question is how much of a chance."
Which is exactly what the author originally said. He never said, "short players never get drafted or signed." How does your point differ at all from what was presented?