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Portrait of Greg Maddux

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Career Summary
Years G IP W L SV ERA WARP
25 744 5008.3 355 227 0 3.16 141.4
Birth Date4-14-1966
Height6' 0"
Weight195 lbs
Age58 years, 0 months, 11 days
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WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

Historical (past-seasons) WARP is now based on DRA..
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA- WARP
1986 CHN MLB 6 5 31.0 2 4 0 44 11 20 3 107 12.8 3.2 0.9 5.8 0% .376 1.77 3.87 5.52 91 4.58 103.3 0.3
1987 CHN MLB 30 27 155.7 6 14 0 181 74 101 17 106 10.5 4.3 1.0 5.8 0% .325 1.64 4.49 5.61 94 4.95 104.0 1.4
1988 CHN MLB 34 34 249.0 18 8 0 230 81 140 13 104 8.3 2.9 0.5 5.1 0% .270 1.25 3.34 3.18 93 3.92 94.5 3.2
1989 CHN MLB 35 35 238.3 19 12 0 222 82 135 13 106 8.4 3.1 0.5 5.1 0% .273 1.28 3.34 2.95 96 3.86 93.0 3.3
1990 CHN MLB 35 35 237.0 15 15 0 242 71 144 11 107 9.2 2.7 0.4 5.5 0% .296 1.32 3.14 3.46 86 3.98 92.6 3.4
1991 CHN MLB 37 37 263.0 15 11 0 232 66 198 18 105 7.9 2.3 0.6 6.8 0% .274 1.13 2.99 3.35 75 2.52 58.3 8.5
1992 CHN MLB 35 35 268.0 20 11 0 201 70 199 7 102 6.8 2.4 0.2 6.7 0% .252 1.01 2.56 2.18 73 2.42 58.7 8.3
1993 ATL MLB 36 36 267.0 20 10 0 228 52 197 14 99 7.7 1.8 0.5 6.6 0% .269 1.05 2.83 2.36 67 2.57 55.5 9.1
1994 ATL MLB 25 25 202.0 16 6 0 150 31 156 4 102 6.7 1.4 0.2 7.0 0% .253 0.90 2.32 1.56 64 2.00 40.3 8.6
1995 ATL MLB 28 28 209.7 19 2 0 147 23 181 8 97 6.3 1.0 0.3 7.8 0% .244 0.81 2.22 1.63 55 2.15 44.1 8.5
1996 ATL MLB 35 35 245.0 15 11 0 225 28 172 11 97 8.3 1.0 0.4 6.3 0% .280 1.03 2.64 2.72 67 2.85 56.2 8.5
1997 ATL MLB 33 33 232.7 19 4 0 200 20 177 9 97 7.7 0.8 0.3 6.8 0% .280 0.95 2.39 2.20 66 2.40 49.9 8.8
1998 ATL MLB 34 34 251.0 18 9 0 201 45 204 13 96 7.2 1.6 0.5 7.3 0% .262 0.98 2.73 2.22 64 2.51 52.1 9.3
1999 ATL MLB 33 33 219.3 19 9 0 258 37 136 16 95 10.6 1.5 0.7 5.6 0% .324 1.34 3.34 3.57 79 3.47 67.5 6.5
2000 ATL MLB 35 35 249.3 19 9 0 225 42 190 19 106 8.1 1.5 0.7 6.9 0% .274 1.07 3.14 3.00 66 2.80 53.8 9.1
2001 ATL MLB 34 34 233.0 17 11 0 220 27 173 20 95 8.5 1.0 0.8 6.7 0% .286 1.06 3.07 3.05 74 2.59 53.7 8.3
2002 ATL MLB 34 34 199.3 16 6 0 194 45 118 14 98 8.8 2.0 0.6 5.3 0% .282 1.20 3.34 2.62 83 3.13 67.1 5.6
2003 ATL MLB 36 36 218.3 16 11 0 225 33 124 24 99 9.3 1.4 1.0 5.1 0% .282 1.18 3.83 3.96 88 3.52 73.8 5.4
2004 CHN MLB 33 33 212.7 16 11 0 218 33 151 35 96 9.2 1.4 1.5 6.4 0% .284 1.18 4.26 4.02 87 3.32 68.5 5.8
2005 CHN MLB 35 35 225.0 13 15 0 239 36 136 29 102 9.6 1.4 1.2 5.4 0% .288 1.22 4.02 4.24 90 3.45 74.3 5.2
2006 CHN 0 22 22 136.3 9 11 0 153 23 81 14 97 10.1 1.5 0.9 5.3 0% .306 1.29 3.75 4.69 94 3.79 77.1 3.0
2006 LAN 0 12 12 73.7 6 3 0 66 14 36 6 96 8.1 1.7 0.7 4.4 0% .256 1.09 3.75 3.30 87 3.88 79.1 1.5
2007 SDN MLB 34 34 198.0 14 11 0 221 25 104 14 91 10.0 1.1 0.6 4.7 0% .304 1.24 3.50 4.14 85 3.23 66.9 5.4
2008 LAN 0 7 7 40.7 2 4 0 43 4 18 5 94 9.5 0.9 1.1 4.0 0% .275 1.16 4.18 5.09 92 3.64 77.7 0.9
2008 SDN 0 26 26 153.3 6 9 0 161 26 80 16 89 9.5 1.5 0.9 4.7 0% .284 1.22 4.02 3.99 90 3.42 72.9 3.6
2006 TOT MLB 34 34 210.0 15 14 0 219 37 117 20 97 9.4 1.6 0.9 5.0 0% .000 1.22 3.75 4.20 91 3.82 77.8 4.6
2008 TOT MLB 33 33 194.0 8 13 0 204 30 98 21 90 9.5 1.4 1.0 4.5 0% .000 1.21 4.05 4.22 91 3.47 73.9 4.5
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Statistics for All Levels

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YEAR Team Lg LG G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA-
1984 PIK Rk APL 14 12 85.7 6 2 0 63 41 62 2 6.6 4.3 0.2 6.5 0% .000 1.21 3.55 2.63 0 0.00 0.0
1985 PEO A MDW 27 27 186.0 13 9 0 176 52 125 9 8.5 2.5 0.4 6.0 0% .000 1.23 3.13 3.19 0 0.00 0.0
1986 CHN MLB NL 6 5 31.0 2 4 0 44 11 20 3 107 12.8 3.2 0.9 5.8 0% .376 1.77 3.87 5.52 91 4.58 103.3
1986 PTS AA EAS 8 8 63.7 4 3 0 49 15 35 1 6.9 2.1 0.1 4.9 0% .000 1.00 2.52 2.68 0 0.00 0.0
1986 IOW AAA AA 18 18 128.3 10 1 0 127 30 65 3 8.9 2.1 0.2 4.6 0% .000 1.22 3.05 3.02 0 0.00 0.0
1987 CHN MLB NL 30 27 155.7 6 14 0 181 74 101 17 106 10.5 4.3 1.0 5.8 0% .325 1.64 4.49 5.61 94 4.95 104.0
1987 IOW AAA AA 4 4 27.7 3 0 0 17 12 22 1 5.5 3.9 0.3 7.1 0% .000 1.05 3.76 0.97 0 0.00 0.0
1988 CHN MLB NL 34 34 249.0 18 8 0 230 81 140 13 104 8.3 2.9 0.5 5.1 0% .270 1.25 3.34 3.18 93 3.92 94.5
1989 CHN MLB NL 35 35 238.3 19 12 0 222 82 135 13 106 8.4 3.1 0.5 5.1 0% .273 1.28 3.34 2.95 96 3.86 93.0
1990 CHN MLB NL 35 35 237.0 15 15 0 242 71 144 11 107 9.2 2.7 0.4 5.5 0% .296 1.32 3.14 3.46 86 3.98 92.6
1991 CHN MLB NL 37 37 263.0 15 11 0 232 66 198 18 105 7.9 2.3 0.6 6.8 0% .274 1.13 2.99 3.35 75 2.52 58.3
1992 CHN MLB NL 35 35 268.0 20 11 0 201 70 199 7 102 6.8 2.4 0.2 6.7 0% .252 1.01 2.56 2.18 73 2.42 58.7
1993 ATL MLB NL 36 36 267.0 20 10 0 228 52 197 14 99 7.7 1.8 0.5 6.6 0% .269 1.05 2.83 2.36 67 2.57 55.5
1994 ATL MLB NL 25 25 202.0 16 6 0 150 31 156 4 102 6.7 1.4 0.2 7.0 0% .253 0.90 2.32 1.56 64 2.00 40.3
1995 ATL MLB NL 28 28 209.7 19 2 0 147 23 181 8 97 6.3 1.0 0.3 7.8 0% .244 0.81 2.22 1.63 55 2.15 44.1
1996 ATL MLB NL 35 35 245.0 15 11 0 225 28 172 11 97 8.3 1.0 0.4 6.3 0% .280 1.03 2.64 2.72 67 2.85 56.2
1997 ATL MLB NL 33 33 232.7 19 4 0 200 20 177 9 97 7.7 0.8 0.3 6.8 0% .280 0.95 2.39 2.20 66 2.40 49.9
1998 ATL MLB NL 34 34 251.0 18 9 0 201 45 204 13 96 7.2 1.6 0.5 7.3 0% .262 0.98 2.73 2.22 64 2.51 52.1
1999 ATL MLB NL 33 33 219.3 19 9 0 258 37 136 16 95 10.6 1.5 0.7 5.6 0% .324 1.34 3.34 3.57 79 3.47 67.5
2000 ATL MLB NL 35 35 249.3 19 9 0 225 42 190 19 106 8.1 1.5 0.7 6.9 0% .274 1.07 3.14 3.00 66 2.80 53.8
2001 ATL MLB NL 34 34 233.0 17 11 0 220 27 173 20 95 8.5 1.0 0.8 6.7 0% .286 1.06 3.07 3.05 74 2.59 53.7
2002 ATL MLB NL 34 34 199.3 16 6 0 194 45 118 14 98 8.8 2.0 0.6 5.3 0% .282 1.20 3.34 2.62 83 3.13 67.1
2003 ATL MLB NL 36 36 218.3 16 11 0 225 33 124 24 99 9.3 1.4 1.0 5.1 0% .282 1.18 3.83 3.96 88 3.52 73.8
2004 CHN MLB NL 33 33 212.7 16 11 0 218 33 151 35 96 9.2 1.4 1.5 6.4 0% .284 1.18 4.26 4.02 87 3.32 68.5
2005 CHN MLB NL 35 35 225.0 13 15 0 239 36 136 29 102 9.6 1.4 1.2 5.4 0% .288 1.22 4.02 4.24 90 3.45 74.3
2006 CHN MLB NL 22 22 136.3 9 11 0 153 23 81 14 97 10.1 1.5 0.9 5.3 0% .306 1.29 3.75 4.69 94 3.79 77.1
2006 LAN MLB NL 12 12 73.7 6 3 0 66 14 36 6 96 8.1 1.7 0.7 4.4 0% .256 1.09 3.75 3.30 87 3.88 79.1
2007 SDN MLB NL 34 34 198.0 14 11 0 221 25 104 14 91 10.0 1.1 0.6 4.7 0% .304 1.24 3.50 4.14 85 3.23 66.9
2008 LAN MLB NL 7 7 40.7 2 4 0 43 4 18 5 94 9.5 0.9 1.1 4.0 0% .275 1.16 4.18 5.09 92 3.64 77.7
2008 SDN MLB NL 26 26 153.3 6 9 0 161 26 80 16 89 9.5 1.5 0.9 4.7 0% .284 1.22 4.02 3.99 90 3.42 72.9

Plate Discipline

YEAR Pits Zone% Swing% Contact% Z-Swing% O-Swing% Z-Contact% O-Contact% SwStr%
2008 2494 0.5646 0.4751 0.8675 0.6286 0.2762 0.9141 0.7300 0.1325
Career24940.56460.47510.86750.62860.27620.91410.73000.1325

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2002-03-26 2002-04-12 15-DL 17 10 Low Back Nerve Injury Nerves -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2008 SDN $10,000,000
2007 SDN $10,000,000
2006 LAN $9,000,000
2006 CHN $9,000,000
2005 CHN $9,000,000
2004 CHN $6,000,000
2003 ATL $14,750,000
2002 ATL $13,100,000
2001 ATL $12,500,000
2000 ATL $11,100,000
YearsDescriptionSalary
9 yrPrevious$104,450,000
9 yrTotal$104,450,000

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
22 y 21 dScott Boras

Details
  • 1 year/$10M (2008). Re-signed by San Diego 11/19/07. No-trade protection. Award bonuses: $0.1M for Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for MVP ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for WS MVP. $50,000 each for All Star selection, Gold Glove or LCS MVP. $25,000 for Silver Slugger. Perks: suite on road, membership at Del Mar Country Club. Acquired by LA Dodgers in trade from San Diego 8/19/08.
  • 1 year/$10M (2007), plus 2008 options. Signed by San Diego as a free agent 12/06. 07:$10M, 08:$6M player option or $11M club option. 2008 player option may increase to: $7.5M with 170 IP in 2007, $8.75M with 185 IP in 2007, or $10M with 200 IP in 2007. No-trade protection. Award bonuses: $0.1M for Cy Young ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for MVP ($50,000 for 2nd, $25,000 for 3rd). $0.1M for WS MVP. $50,000 each for All Star selection, Gold Glove or LCS MVP. $25,000 for Silver Slugger. Perks: suite on road, membership at Del Mar Country Club.
  • 3 years/$24M (2004-06). Signed by Chicago Cubs as a free agent 3/04. 04:$6M, 05:$9M, 06:$9M. Club may void 2006 if Maddux does not post 400 IP in 2004-05. Acquired by LA Dodgers in trade from Chicago Cubs 7/06 (Cubs paying Dodgers $2M as part of deal).
  • 1 year/$14.75M (2003). Re-signed by Atlanta 2/03 (avoided arbitration, $16M-$13.5M).
  • 5 years/$57.5M (1998-2002). Signed extension with Atlanta 8/97. $3M signing bonus. 98:$9M, 99:$10M, 00:$10.5M, 01:$12.5M, 02:$12.5M.
  • 5 years/$28M (1993-97) Signed by Atlanta as a free agent 12/92. $2.5M signing bonus. 93:$5M, 94:$3.5M, 95:$5M, 96:$6M, 97:$6M. Average salary of $5.6M/year was a record at time of signing.
  • 1 year/$4.2M (1992). Re-signed by Chicago Cubs 1/92 (avoided arbitration, $4.4M-$3.65M).
  • 1 year/$2.4M (1991). Signed extension with Chicago Cubs 3/90. $25,000 in bonuses.
  • 2 years/$0.7125M (1989-90). Signed extension with Chicago Cubs 1/89 (avoided arbitration). 89:$0.275M, 90:$0.4375M.
  • 1 year/$82,500 (1988). Signed by Chicago Cubs 2/88.
  • Drafted by Chicago Cubs 1984 (2-31) (Valley HS, Las Vegas).

2019 Preseason Forecast

Last Update: 1/27/2017 12:35 ET

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YearComment
2009 Greg Maddux’s reacquisition didn’t entirely pay off for the Dodgers, as he managed just two quality starts, one coming after they’d clinched. The Smartest Pitcher Who Ever Lived takes his 355 career wins (eighth-highest) and four Cy Youngs to Cooperstown.
2008 Maddux has 347 career wins. No pitcher born since 1921 has won 360 games, and no pitcher born since 1887 has won 365. If Cal Ripken Jr. wasn't a unanimous Hall of Fame selection, perhaps no one will ever be, but you have to wonder about people who would deny themselves the honor of voting for Greg Maddux for the Hall of Fame. With 2 2/3 strategically relocated innings, Maddux would have a 20-year streak of 200-inning seasons (he threw 199 1/3 in 2002). While he's no longer a Cy Young contender, he keeps piling up league-average seasons for winning teams. Look for more of the same this year.
2007 Maddux spent much of 2006 inducing goose bumps as he displayed the artistry which will one day make him a first-ballot Hall of Famer, but he spent nearly as much time reminding followers that he`s a 40-year-old legend whose best years are behind him. After a fantastic April (5-0, 1.35 ERA), he rode the down escalator as the Cubs` season collapsed, yielding a 5.77 ERA over the next three months. Nonetheless, Ned Colletti liberated Maddux from Chicago just moments before the trade deadline. Maddux tossed six no-hit innings in his first start in Dodger blue, and chased no-hitters two other times, at one point retiring 32 straight hitters for a `hidden perfect game.` His acquisition bolstered the staff, and much was made of his imparting pitching wisdom to his new teammates. Although Grady Little kept Maddux on an even shorter leash than Dusty Baker had (go figure), Maddux still tossed more innings over the entire season than any Dodger starter other than Derek Lowe; he made his bullets count, which is part of the reason why a plaque in Cooperstown awaits. Bet on him to continue doing so in San Diego, where he signed a one-year, $10-million deal.
2006 Back in the uniform he never should have had to take off in the first place, he`s now as out of place as Jimmy Buffett touring with the Sex Pistols. The pitcher formerly famous as Greg Maddux provided durable mediocrity on a staff not known for either. Parked in a more Don Sutton-like stage, he`ll give you at least 33 starts, and if you field an adequate lineup to support him with, he`ll win games for you. The Cubs aren`t very gifted on that score, making it likely that he`ll spend the last year of his deal watching the playoffs on TV. Notoriously close-mouthed about the art of pitching, Maddux might well make as good a pitching coach as his brother Mike, if he has any interest. That`s still years off; people who take their turns with Maddox`s regularity don`t grow on trees.
2005 Three factors are responsible for Maddux's 305 major league wins. The first and most important is his uncanny command, which save for a couple of rough cold-weather outings in April, is just as intact as ever. The second is his pitch efficiency, to which he owes his longevity: Maddux had just four outings last year in which he topped the 100-pitch mark, and not because his manager is prone to do his pitchers any arm-saving favors.

The third factor is his capacity to induce groundballs, and that ability appears to be eroding. The movement on Maddux's fastball isn't quite as good as it once was, and the 35 home runs that he allowed in 2004 were a career high, his 1.78 groundball-to-flyball ratio a career low. Without his groundball mojo, Maddux can still be a good pitcher, but he's not going to set the aging curve on its end the way Randy and Roger have.
2004 Even chess players show their age after a while. While his control is still impeccable, and while his fastball is no slower than it's ever been, Maddux's strikeout rate declined for the third consecutive season. Hitters were also able to loft the ball against him more frequently, leading to a big jump in his home run rate. It is evident that the movement on his pitches isn't quite what it used to be. It is blasphemous to suggest, but Maddux might be more effective if he were willing to waste a few more pitches; opposing batters hit .367 and slugged .597 when they put the first ball in play against him. A reasonable risk at one year and about $6 million, especially when you consider what he might be able to teach to young pitchers, but the Braves were wise to resist the temptation to offer him more than that out of sentimentality.
2003 Apparently the projection system thinks Maddux’s minor physical ailments are going to grow less minor. It’s perfectly logical to predict that for a 38-year-old pitcher, but this is Greg Maddux. He’s the rarest of animals—the starting pitcher who misses hardly any starts, ever. There aren’t too many of those, so it’s hard to predict how long he’ll hold up. He’ll be pitching for a new contract, so the Braves might toss caution to the wind and stop handling him with kid gloves. If that happens, he could break down, or he could throw 260 great innings.
2002 We could just as easily address this issue in the Roger Clemens comment, but how could anybody, from advertisers to fans, mistake Nolan Ryan for the best right-handed starter in baseball history? Clemens and Maddux are arguably the greatest tandem anyone has ever seen, yet you’re more likely to find some whiskey-soaked New York journalist blathering about almost anybody but Clemens or Maddux. In part, that’s a matter of choice by the athletes themselves. Maddux’s historical legacy lies in his performance, not his chattiness with some writer trying to bring an athlete’s story to life for the right compensation. The crime lies in the way that journalists pretend that workaday mythmaking has nothing to do with popular perception. Trying to make a buck is all well and good, but when there’s nothing to support an argument for Ryan or Tom Seaver or anybody else who happened to be good when you were under 40, why pretend? Parochial or generational hosannas are not victimless crimes. Worse than being mere back scratching, they obfuscate genuine greatness. Maddux has 20 more wins than Tom Seaver had at the same age, and a lower career ERA to boot, despite never getting the benefit of pitching in the low-offense 1970s. Ryan, for what it's worth, wasn't even as good as Seaver. In terms of career value, if Clemens isn’t the best right-handed pitcher we’ve ever seen, Maddux is. Pedro Martinez would have to be Pedro Martinez for another six full seasons or so before he really enters the discussion. Do we have to be polite about this?
2001 Like Glavine, Greg Maddux bounced back from a subpar 1999. Like Glavine, the big difference was in his number of hits allowed, lending some credibility to the idea that that number isn't so reflective of performance or of much predictive value. Maddux is going to win 300 games; he's actually got a chance to move close to 350, mostly depending upon how long he wants to pitch.
2000 See above. Maddux’s walk rate actually dropped in 1999, which is pretty good evidence he wasn’t throwing a lot more balls because of the strike zone. He was missing up in the zone a lot, leading to more balls hit in the air and more extra-base hits. Expect him to return to his 1998 level in 2000. This was the first year since 1991 in which Maddux posted an ERA above 2.72. Think about that.
1999 Don Sutton, the Braves’ announcer, has gone on record to say there will never be another 300-game winner. Sutton is an intelligent man and he has first-hand knowledge of how difficult that feat is, but that’s an incredibly short-sighted comment. I mean, he’s an announcer for the Braves, meaning he sees Greg Maddux every day - and he thinks 300 wins is unreachable? Maddux already has 202 wins, and was 32 when last season ended. At the same age, Sutton had 190 wins. Of the nine 300-game winners in the live-ball era, you know how many had more wins at the same age? One - Tom Seaver, with 203. Of course, the pitchers who rack up wins early in their career are usually overworked and burn out, and Bob Feller and Catfish Hunter did just that. But Maddux ain’t being overworked. It’s a wild prediction, but I’ll make it anyway: before he retires, Maddux is going to pass Sutton himself with his 325th win, becoming the winningest righthander since Pete Alexander.
1998 The only unknown thing about Maddux is how much longer he’ll keep this up. His K rate and K/BB ratios are so good now that when he slips, he’s got forever to go before he’s even average. He never has high pitch counts, and Cox babies him anyway, so abuse isn’t a concern. With a little luck, he could have another 1995 in him. Remains the most enjoyable pitcher to watch in the game.
1997 I realize it’s common to acknowledge this guy as the best pitcher of our generation, but he’s not. Roger Clemens has still been more impressive. That said, Maddux could surpass Clemens, and the run he’s on now is unequalled in history. Even Koufax’s best five years aren’t particularly close. Remember: Koufax pitched in the ’60s in Dodger Stadium. Maddux is pitching in the new live ball era in a hitter’s park. I was in Las Vegas for a wedding last year, and four out of 10 Las Vegans claim to have taught Greg everything he knows. Already a lock for the Hall of Fame, and a sheer joy to watch.
1996  Maddux's 1994 or 1995 seasons are not, individually, unique; Gooden in 1985, Guidry in 1978, and Gibson in 1968 all had comparable seasons. But taken together, the past two seasons for Maddux represent a level of dominance that baseball hasn't seen in over half a century. Koufax's best two-year stretch, when adjusted for the hitters' hell of Dodger Stadium in the mid-60's, doesn't compare to Maddux. The last pitcher to come close was probably Lefty Grove in 1930-31, and Maddux probably overmatches him too.

Calling Maddux the best pitcher in the game today is insulting to him; calling him the best of our generation is hardly news. It's time we start lumping him with the all-time greats - Young, Mathewson, Johnson, Grove, Seaver - and by the end of his career, Maddux could be looking down on all of them.

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DateQuestionAnswer
2019-06-12 20:00:00 (link to chat)I know Mike Soroka is not Greg Maddux. With that said, is Mike Soroka the closest thing we've seen to young Greg Maddux in a long time? I can't think of another young pitcher this good with the type of command-over-stuff with perfectly decent stuff profile that's come along in the recent past.
(Peter from Durham, NC)
It gets really tricky to try and peg "command over stuff" guys. I recently wrote about Kyle Hendricks, and he certainly fits the bill of a top-level starters -- seriously, go look at Hendricks' numbers -- who is doing it without eye-popping velocity. But no one is touching Maddux numbers except for the Max Scherzers of the world, and it's a bit too early to give Soroka that type of label, either. His results HAVE however been amazing and I love the way he pitches.

The visual of Soroka's two-seamer and slider is one of the game's great illustrations of the concept of tunneling -- of which Maddux was an important proponent -- and a joy to watch as hitters guess and fail. Could he keep up some sort of level to be an elite pitcher? Yeah, I'm beginning to think it's possible. But Maddux-ian numbers and performance take a long time to establish. For now, the aesthetic similarities will have to be enough, but feel free to relish them. It's very fun. (Zach Crizer)
2017-09-28 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which Braves pitcher has the highest upside ?
(Jason from Charlotte)
Greg Maddux.

I dunno, man. I can tell you who intrigues me the most, just because of the narrative around them selecting him at the time and his pro success to date. That's Ian Anderson. But I'll leave questions of the absolute highest ceiling to our prospect gurus. (Matthew Trueblood)
2017-09-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)What's your best moment of seeing a prospect or young player and having him jump out at you, to where you think "Yeah, I get it. This guy is a stud."
(jfegan from Chicago, IL)
This is a terrible answer and not at all what you're looking for, but I always remember going to Felix Pie's major league debut at Wrigley back in 2007. He doubled off of Greg Maddux and threw out a runner at home on an absolutle laser in the 10th inning to keep the game tied. Also, I was way wrong, so maybe I don't actually know anything.

OK more recent ... I went to Willie Calhoun's second game in Round Rock after coming over in the Yu Darvish trade. His first PA he destroyed a Chad Bettis pitch for an oppo dinger. That power is so legit. I just hope he can find a position to stay on the field. (Collin Whitchurch)
2016-11-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)If #BigSexy were a 21-year-old in Double-A but had the same command and movement, where would he have ranked on the Braves' top 10?
(ssimon from Pelham, N.Y.)
So this is the ol' "you can't comp Greg Maddux" problem. "Good" command guys sitting 86-89 with no secondaries are not uncommon in the minors and usually don't even get to Double-A. So basically you need to be confident that your 21-year-old has elite command and two-seam movement. Bartolo wasn't even close to that guy at 21. There is an argument that kind of stuff only comes after twenty years. (Jeffrey Paternostro)
2016-06-13 23:00:00 (link to chat)Do you think Schwarber could be on Babe Ruth's level? Almora like a Ricky Henderson type? Pierce Johnson like a Greg Maddux. I really like these comps.
(BC from Urbandale)
Sure, why not. Year a the Cubs, baby. (Wilson Karaman)
2015-09-30 19:00:00 (link to chat)What are some of your least favorite MLB players that people try to make comps to? Not like Mike Trout, or Clayton Kershaw, where the prospect simply can't be anywhere near as good, but they are comparing prospect to unicorns, such as when every command/control guy with low whiffs is Mark Buehrle. This is rambling. I'm sorry, Mau.
(James Fegan from Elkhart, IN)
First the good James question.

I know it's not technically what you were asking but I hate it when a right handed dude with solid average to plus command who throws in the 89-91 range gets comp'd to Greg Maddux. Everyone has this warped idea of what Maddux was and it needs to stop. I'm sick of it!

The Baez-Sheffield comps were both irresponsible and irksome when people couldn't properly separate the swing comp to the actual player skills.

And yeah the MB comps are tiresome as well. Comps on twitter are generally awful. (Mauricio Rubio)
2015-02-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)Most difficult pitcher to analyze from a PITCHf/x perspective?
(DBITLefty from Floating )
Trevor Bauer, too many offspeed pitches.
Odrisamer Despaigne, too many arm angles.
Greg Maddux, was just a cloud.
Yu Darvish, similar to Bauer but with more varieties in more places. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-04-04 11:00:00 (link to chat)When teams designate legends as special assistants (take the Rangers with Greg Maddux, Tony Fernandez, and Pudge Rodriguez) do you think it's more on the basis of projecting their ability to instruct, or for their value in giving prospects someone to look up to and strive to emulate?
(Or from Denton)
I think it can have several benefits. Obviously, giving a young prospect the opportunity to stand on the same field and receive instruction from a giant at that position carries a lot of weight. I've seen Alfaro around Pudge; Sardinas around Fernandez; Martin Perez around Greg Maddux. It means something to the kids. The other major positive is that these guys are also good teachers. That's not true of every former player or every special assistant, but the ones I just mentioned know how to listen and they know how to express themselves without getting overly didactic or alienating non-hall of fame level talent. I cant stress how great this is for the players. They might be on the field, but at heart they are just fans of the game as well, and when Greg Maddux gives you pointers about a grip or a few thoughts about a release, you listen and you love every minute of it. (Jason Parks)
2013-03-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)Who is the best current pitching coach and why?
(Rice Cube from Chicago)
Greg Maddux, Team USA. Because he's Greg Maddux. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-03-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hi, thanks for the chat. Who have you seen that may not have the best "stuff" but finds success because of really good at sequencing?
(The Shoe from Marvin Gardens)
Ted Lilly pops to mind. You can even point to late career Greg Maddux. I suspect it's a common trait with veteran guys, and a good research idea. We'll touch on this point a couple more times based on the questions in the queue. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-02-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you see out of Medlen in 2013? He seems to be one of the most polarizing players this draft season after his Greg Maddux impersonation in the summer of 2012
(Doug from Brooklyn)
I like Medlen. Not to keep up the Maddux act, but to be a solid mid-rotation guy. I was actually surprised by how optimistic PECOTA was: projected to be the 22nd-best pitcher, by WARP. (Ben Lindbergh)
2012-10-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)Professor Parks, With the season-long hubub of Stephen Strasburg's successful return from injury, I recall the sad case of Mark Prior and his derailed career. The popular party line when Prior was actually a good pitcher was that "all the scouts say he has perfect mechanics". Now that he's been released from his 5th (?) organization, there are plenty of people who look back and readily point out some pretty substantial problems with Prior's mechanics. Problems that, you would think, are now so obvious that it's curious that anyone at the time would have claimed Prior was so mechanically sound when he was not. So this begs a couple of questions. Did we all just hear what we wanted to hear and nobody who really mattered in baseball was actually saying that Prior's mechanics were sound? Or did scouts and industry professionals really just miss the mark so badly? Or is the truth somewhere in the middle, and the consensus in the industry is that Prior was in the same boat as many other pitchers in having a few flaws, but they didn't want to change him (because that's easier said than done) and he was just unlucky in being hit hard by the same injury bug that gets many other pitchers? And lastly, are there any lessons in the Prior story that can be applied to Strasburg? Maybe the lesson with him is that few people not named Greg Maddux have perfect mechanics, lots of pitchers get hurt, and we need to stop freaking out about them before or after the fact?
(Erik from Longwood, FL)
Every pitcher is different. You can look at bad mechanics and raise the red flag, and then watch that pitcher throw 200 innings a year without an issue. Arm injuries happen, and pitchers break for a variety of reasons, and more often than not, our injury projections aren't on the same level as our tool projections. It has to be player specific. Some pitchers just make it work, while others can look clean and effortless and then the arm explodes and lands in the fourth row on the lap of a crying child. What caused it? Was it bad mechanics after all? Was it the result of overwork? I'm not fond of the mechanical revisionists who cry foul after the fact. It's easy to be right when you don't have to worry about being wrong. (Jason Parks)
2012-02-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Any chance Derek Jeter or Greg Maddux gets 100% of the HOF vote on his first try?
(Bobby from New York)
No, because there still exists a small handful of clowns who insist upon sending back blank ballots in general protest of the steroid era. This is akin to a grown-ass man throwing himself down in the middle of the supermarket aisle to protest mommy not buying him sugar cereal when he was a kid. (Jay Jaffe)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hey Jay - Do you feel that the Hall of Fame will start to give guidelines to the voters sooner rather than later when it comes to steroids? I have seen comments regarding how quickly Bagwell shrunk in size as to why someone was not going to vote for him (Chicago Tribune). As Phil Rogers says, 580+ writers, 580+ opinions on the matter. Thanks
(Brian from Tinley Park)
Good question. I think we're years away from that, because while there are several candidates about to hit the ballot whose careers have been linked to PED use, there are also a bunch of milestone candidates whose elections are a virtual lock. Even without Barry Bonds and Roger Clmeens, you'll still have Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson and Craig Biggio on that score, as well as solid candidates without the milestones OR PED connections such as John Smoltz and Curt Schilling. I think we're years away before the Hall feels a need to interject itself into the debate on the guideline grounds. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Most likely to break 1st year ballot vote percentage record: Jeter or Mariano?
(tommybones from brooklyn)
Tough call. I'd bet both are high 90s but that Greg Maddux tops either; Jeter's defense and Mariano's relief role will keep a few voters away. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2011-05-12 13:00:00 (link to chat)How DOES Shawn Marcum work? Its bizarre that someone who doesn't break 90 on a radar gun gets those Ks. Is it sustainable?
(WisconsinRob from Madison)
I sure hope so. Theoretically, at least, a sub-90 mph pitcher can sustainably strike players out with smart sequencing, good pitches, and good accuracy. Trevor Hoffman, Jamie Moyer, Greg Maddux, etc... Whether Marcum continues to do that is tough to say. He's done a remarkable job of keeping it up since last year, though. I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to do so. (Larry Granillo)
2011-04-18 13:00:00 (link to chat)Can you compare Greg Maddux to Jamie Moyer?
(Jeff from Eh...)
Bo Jackson has better tools. (Kevin Goldstein)
2010-12-07 13:00:00 (link to chat)There was interesting article I believe in FanGraphs on the decline of Greinke. That it's not just an off year. Thoughts? I watch him and his stuff, arsenal of pitches, and approach to pitching, I'm blown away. I see a guy i'd want more than Felix. Am I hallucinating?
(SK from DC)
Greinke's command was a little off this year on all of his pitches. He still had his control, he just didn't fool hitters as much with it, hence fewer strikeouts. Without the extra-special command, he's still great, he's just not Greg Maddux. There is no shame in being Greg Maddux Lite. (Marc Normandin)
2010-03-24 11:00:00 (link to chat)So if the qualities of Colby Lewis' pitches are nothing special, what's made him able to dominate hitters in Japan? Presumably that's a skill hitters aren't used to seeing over there, but isn't special in MLB. Identifying those specific factors could be valuable to both MLB teams and Japanese teams. Heck, maybe Matsuzaka's struggled with the same thing -- he can throw many decent pitches but without any one that's great.
(Sky from The Roc, NY)
One way to look at it is by analogy to pinpoint control guys who struggle when they hit the majors. Lewis had a (filthy) 369/49 K/BB ratio in two season in Japan. He walked 19 guys last year. That just isn't realistic in the major leagues, because if you left that many low-90s fastballs in the zone, American League hitters would eat your lunch. *Unless you're Greg Maddux, and he isn't. (Tommy Bennett)
2009-12-29 15:00:00 (link to chat)When eligible Greg Maddux will receive ___% of the vote for the Hall of Fame.
(paulbellows from Calgary)
99.3%. There's always someone.

Here's my problem: if you're a "no first ballot" guy, you've never gotten to vote for some of the greatest players in history. There's a guy out there who never voted for Rickey, Cal, et al, and to me, that's just sad. It would be an honor to vote for a player like that. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-10-13 14:00:00 (link to chat)Your thoughts on Jair Jurrjens' future please.
(Frug from UIUC)
There were some who thought his 2008 season would be his best; obviously, he chose to disagree. He suffers from some of the biases against "short" right-handers, and he isn't throwing any harder. Still, he outperformed Lowe (and Kawakami). It seems crazy that even before this season, two of his top comps were Greg Maddux and Dave Stieb, two of the best "short" right-handers of the past generation. It also suggests how extraordinary Jurrjens already is, which is where all the doubt comes from. Could he really be that good? I don't think we can say yes or no with anything like the same sort of authority as we can with more typical players. I'd take my chances with him, certainly. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-10-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)So how good is Porcello, now that he's shown he can strike guys out when needed?
(Wendy from Madrid)
Do I need to write an article comparing him to Greg Maddux every six weeks? I love the guy. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-10-05 16:00:00 (link to chat)In what year do you think HOF voting will be "correct" in terms of who gets in (i.e. 98 of 100 or so of the inductees are actually deserving)? Will it have to wait for the fan base to be better versed in statistics?
(Tony from Brooklyn, NY)
The first thing that needs to happen is for people who won't vote based on dumb principles like players not ratting on others who took steroids to not have their votes anymore. Or for people who forget to vote for deserving players or neglect to include them because "they'll get in anyway" to lose their voting rights. If Greg Maddux is not a 100% unanimous choice... if Pedro Martinez is not 100%... if Randy Johnson is not 100%... etc. (Eric Seidman)
2009-09-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)Eric, what team do you root for and who was your favorite player as a kid?
(Tex Premium Lager from NJ)
Phillies. Greg Maddux is and always will be my favorite baseball player. (Eric Seidman)
2009-06-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hey Will. Do you have any idea what Jose Contreras did during his demotion to AAA Charlotte to transform himself into 1995 Greg Maddux?
(Phil S. from NJ)
No, and things like this are a great mystery. Teams credit their minor league coaches about as often as Apple credits an engineer. (Will Carroll)
2009-06-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)He went on strike, but isn't Greg Maddux the next test case?
(Jon from DC)
No, because he went on strike. I don't remember which guy(s), but at least one voter is on record as saying he'll never vote for a player who went on strike. Jeter doesn't have that. He doesn't have PEDs. He is fully qualified even noting the defense. He's visible and popular and nice. If he's not unanimous, the guy who leaves him off is showboating, plain and simple. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-06-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)Mussina won 20 last year. I think that gets him over the hump. I think people tend to lump him in with the Greg Maddux's of the world. Maybe not a first balloter, but I think he's a certainty.
(shamah from NYC)
I'm aware of that. He's still the "almost" guy.

I like Mike Mussina as much as anyone, and I'll tell you right now that no one on this planet lumps him in with "the Greg Maddux's of the world." Nor should they. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-06-05 15:30:00 (link to chat)Eric, on your IMDB page it says you haven't missed a 76ers game in years. Might we see you write for Basketball Prospectus?
(Jay from SD)
One of my goals for 2009 was to get more in tune with advanced basketball analysis. It hasn't happened yet for lack of time but I think it would be fun to compare my scouting eyes from watching so much over the years to what the numbers say. With baseball, I tend to only watch the Phillies, Greg Maddux, Matt Cain, and the 5 innings of Javier Vazquez before he implodes. With the NBA, I could watch a Grizzlies-Wizards game and be entertained. (Eric Seidman)
2009-06-05 15:30:00 (link to chat)Thanks for answering my question. What's your take on the not-so-great reputation of Phillies fans? Do you think it's deserved/accurate or overblown? You don't hear the same thing about other East Coast teams in the area (Orioles, Mets, Yankees, Pirates), so I'm curious if this a matter of perception vs. reality.
(David S from Oakland)
It's odd... in many cases it is overblown. For instance, Phillies fans went crazy for Ken Griffey, Jr last year when he came to town with 599 HR, giving him these loud standing ovations every time he came up and every time he went back to the dugout. They also gave Greg Maddux a loud ovation when he left a game, because even though he was a rival for about 13 years, they understood how special of a player they got to see. They even cheered Pat Burrell on when he was struggling in 2003, hoping it might get him out of it. But then again there are certainly knuckleheads, like in any city, who seem to remember one thing about a player and assign that characteristic no matter what. (Eric Seidman)
2009-01-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jeff Kent - Hall of famer?
(leitch71 from Baltimore)
I'm considering taking up this question -- and that of other recent retirees like Greg Maddux and Mike Mussina -- for my next piece, so I'll withhold comment until then.

Apologies for the technical difficulties thus far. The epically slow load times I'm experiencing on this end have me needing to reset the chat. Back momentarily... (Jay Jaffe)
2008-10-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)While I admire the Rays' long term plan and also recognize that this idea may be impossible financially, similar to how the Braves signed Greg Maddux prior to the 1993 season, I am intrigued by the idea of the Rays signing CC Sabbathia this offseason. What do you think?
(Brent from Raleigh)
It's an interesting thought, and who's to say it couldn't happen, but I think they are probably pretty set in the rotation and focused on continuing to build from within rather than making that huge signing. If you figure that Price slots into the rotation next year, that's Shields, Kazmir, Garza, Price, and Sonnanstine, with Jeff Niemann and Edwin Jackson as insurance. Of course, injuries could upset that, and you can never have too much starting pitching, but I think the Rays will probably focus on offense. Remember, they were second in the AL in run prevention this year, but only ninth in runs scored. I would think they might look at getting another outfield bat for right field/DH, and as more insurance in case Baldelli is unable to play a full season again. (Caleb Peiffer)
2008-10-06 14:00:00 (link to chat)Okay, to take Pete from Boston's question to the next level... will we ever have a unanimous first ballot hall of famer? I know there are some who refuse to vote for anyone from the steroid era... but that era has passed. So perhaps Evan Longoria? Madison Baumgarner?
(Nick from Chicago)
There are actually some who refuse to vote for any player who went on strike, so you need someone who's career started in 1995 or later. I don't think anyone has said they wouldn't vote for anyone from the steroid era, and in fact, I've heard more the opposite--we can't know who did what, so it's unfair to punish only a few.

Jeter is the obvious choice. Greg Maddux before him, I guess, will be a test. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-08-01 14:00:00 (link to chat)Jay, what do you see happening over the waiver wires in the next month? And can I still dump Jack Wilson for more prospects, or do I need to wait until the winter?
(NealH from Pittsburgh, PA)
I have it on good authority that Jeff Conine will come out of retirement for the express purpose of being included in a waiver deal.

Beyond that I think we can expect to see action on some of the aforementioned Mariners, maybe some junk from the Orioles (Millar, Payton, Mora, Huff) or the Giants (Aurilia, Winn). Paul Byrd, Greg Maddux, maybe either Pierre or Andruw if the Dodgers are willing to eat a whole lot of salary.
Jack Wilson can probably be dumped for prospects if you're willing to eat salary, but given what he's locked in for ($6.5M this year, $7.25M in 2009, $8.4M/0.6M club option in 2010) I don't think he's all that appealing or will draw much in the way of prospects. Thank your predecessor once again. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-07-29 16:00:00 (link to chat)Padres trade: Adrian Gonzalez, Greg Maddux, Heath Bell Yankees send: Austin Jackson, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera, Cano and a throw-in of Kei Igawa
(dcoonce from bloomington, indiana)
You've been at Nick's early, haven't you? (Will Carroll)
2008-07-25 14:00:00 (link to chat)Loved your recent articles on santana. The other day my friend said he was having a bad year, when I asked how he came to that conclusion his response was "his era is in the threes." (its 3.05). Let me just say I now completely understand why some people may consider you a bit hawkish, my response used worse language than I have ever heard you use. Has there ever been another multiple cy young award winner that somehow managed to become underrated?
(kevin from boston)
Greg Maddux. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-05-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)Halladay has always been known for having some pretty good stuff as well as great control. He's kind of reminded me of Greg Maddux with a fastball. So his drop in strikeouts the past couple of years concerned me. Why have his strikeouts increased this year? What is he doing differently?
(Wendy from Madrid)
I'm not sure--probably just a random fluctuation. Unless you can divine something from his pitch data: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1303&position=P (Caleb Peiffer)
2008-03-11 12:00:00 (link to chat)What do you expect out of Chien-Min-Wang this year and for the future, it seems like we may have already seen his best pitching.
(SnakeDoctor18 from Washington DC)
There's an upper bound on how good a pitcher with his contact rate can be, so I'd agree with the idea. It's always possible that he'll end up in front of some terrific defense, in which case he could post an ERA in the 2.50 range. He never gives up homers and doesn't walk people; take away the hits, and you have Greg Maddux just outside of his peak. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-03-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)I think it's unfair to label Randy Johnson a "freak show". Roger Clemens had a freakishly powerful and durable arm; Greg Maddux had a freakish ability to locate a pitch. To be that good one has to have some "freak" in their DNA.
(havybeaks from Michigan)
That wasn't meant to be derogatory at all. Most major leaguers are freak shows in that their skill sets are so incredibly rare that the average major leaguer is worth a couple million dollars a year, and the best of them are worth upwards of $20 million at their peak.

At those prices, i wish I could get my freak on.

Ok folks, I'm going to take one more question.... (Jay Jaffe)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2010-10-06 10:00:002010 Playoffs Day One"Paul (Drexel Hill): Gentlemen, prepare to watch the best pitcher of our generation work his magic. Sit back and enjoy."

Honest question, but how do we quantify our generation? Does this current generation include Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clemens?

Halladay is a good one, but he's definitely in their rear-view mirrors. (Brandon Warne)
2010-10-06 10:00:002010 Playoffs Day One"Paul (Drexel Hill): Gentlemen, prepare to watch the best pitcher of our generation work his magic. Sit back and enjoy."

Honest question, but how do we quantify our generation? Does this current generation include Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clemens?

Halladay is a good one, but he's definitely in their rear-view mirrors. (Brandon Warne)
2009-10-16 13:00:00NLCS Game Two/ALCS Game OneA year out of date, but compare the peak scores of these then-active pitchers:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7451

Roger Clemens: 83.9
Greg Maddux 86/0
Randy Johnson 77.3
Pedro Martinez 68.8
Curt Schilling 65.9
Mike Mussina 64.3
Tom Glavine 63.7
John Smoltz 58.5
Avg HoF SP 67.2
(Jay Jaffe)
 

PITCHf/x Pitcher Profile

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Although he has not thrown an MLB pitch in 2024, Greg Maddux threw 4,399 pitches that were tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2007 and 2008, all of them occuring in Spring Training. In 2008, he relied primarily on his Sinker (84mph) and Change (79mph), also mixing in a Cutter (83mph). He also rarely threw a Curve (71mph), Slider (78mph) and Fourseam Fastball (85mph).