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Years	PA	AVG	OBP	SLG	DRC+	WARP
22	10174	.284	.377	.509	131	36.4

Birth Date	10-31-1963
Height	6' 3"
Weight	225 lbs

Age	60 years, 5 months, 26 days
Bats	L
Throws	L

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MLB Statistics

YEAR	TEAM	AGE	G	PA	H	2B	3B	HR	BB	SO	HBP	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	DRC+	DRAA	BRR	FRAA	BWARP
1986	TOR	22	3	5	1	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	.200	.200	.200	78	-0.1	0.0	0.1	0.0
1987	TOR	23	107	356	73	16	0	20	60	104	1	3	2	.247	.376	.505	121	9.5	0.0	-0.8	1.2
1988	TOR	24	154	623	151	35	4	34	79	149	4	6	1	.282	.376	.552	148	33.1	-0.4	2.6	4.5
1989	TOR	25	161	680	148	27	3	36	119	132	4	7	4	.269	.399	.525	157	43.9	-1.1	1.5	5.5
1990	TOR	26	153	658	167	21	1	35	94	108	2	5	3	.300	.400	.530	151	37.8	1.1	3.2	5.2
1991	SDN	27	153	642	147	19	1	31	105	135	2	4	1	.278	.396	.494	144	34.0	-5.5	-10.3	2.6
1992	SDN	28	152	632	152	30	4	35	96	108	1	8	6	.286	.394	.556	157	42.0	-4.2	-13.2	3.3
1993	ATL	29	68	291	79	18	1	19	34	51	1	1	0	.310	.392	.612	143	16.5	1.8	1.8	2.3
1993	SDN	29	83	349	83	11	1	18	42	55	1	4	3	.275	.361	.497	144	20.0	-0.6	-3.6	2.0
1994	ATL	30	113	478	135	25	1	34	50	76	1	7	3	.318	.389	.623	152	34.0	-1.0	-7.1	3.0
1995	ATL	31	144	604	148	27	1	27	65	99	5	3	6	.280	.361	.489	114	12.7	-1.6	-13.5	0.4
1996	ATL	32	159	691	182	37	1	28	68	116	2	7	3	.295	.365	.494	117	19.1	-5.9	-4.2	1.6
1997	ATL	33	152	641	156	25	1	22	68	112	4	5	0	.277	.356	.441	109	9.7	-2.0	-8.4	0.4
1998	TBA	34	151	649	160	33	0	19	79	118	2	7	2	.284	.371	.443	109	8.7	-5.3	-11.5	-0.3
1999	TBA	35	144	620	164	30	1	32	86	107	1	1	0	.310	.405	.552	133	30.3	-4.2	-6.0	2.4
2000	TBA	36	158	664	157	18	0	27	91	120	0	2	0	.277	.373	.452	115	18.0	-2.0	-32.0	-0.8
2001	CHN	37	49	201	48	7	2	12	26	37	3	0	1	.282	.383	.559	135	10.0	-1.5	-3.0	0.8
2001	TBA	37	97	385	109	18	0	19	40	69	0	1	1	.318	.387	.536	135	19.1	-1.9	3.6	2.5
2002	CHN	38	146	595	143	27	2	30	63	99	4	1	2	.273	.353	.505	121	18.2	-5.3	-12.5	0.7
2003	LAN	39	86	329	74	14	0	13	31	66	1	0	0	.249	.322	.428	100	1.0	-1.3	-8.7	-0.6
2004	TBA	40	27	81	13	3	0	2	9	19	0	0	0	.181	.272	.306	70	-2.9	0.2	-1.0	-0.3
Career			2460	10174	2490	441	24	493	1305	1882	39	72	38	.284	.377	.509	131	414.5	-40.7	-123.0	36.4

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YEAR	Team	Lg	LG	G	PA	oppAVG	oppOBP	oppSLG	BABIP	BPF	BRAA	repLVL	POS_ADJ	DRC+	DRC+ SD	FRAA	BRR	DRAA	BWARP
1983	FLO	A	SAL	33	141	.000	.000	.000	.385			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
1983	KIN	A+	CRL	94	416	.000	.000	.000	.291			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
1984	KNX	AA	SOU	56	222	.000	.000	.000	.304			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
1984	SYR	AAA	INT	70	266	.000	.000	.000	.314			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
1985	SYR	AAA	INT	51	204	.000	.000	.000	.294			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
1986	TOR	MLB	AL	3	5	.277	.354	.424	.333	97	-0.6	0.1	-0.1	78	14	0.1	0.0	-0.1	0.0
1986	SYR	AAA	INT	133	563	.000	.000	.000	.309			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
1987	TOR	MLB	AL	107	356	.266	.336	.430	.310	99	12.8	10.5	-6.7	121	9	-0.8	0.0	9.5	1.2
1988	TOR	MLB	AL	154	623	.261	.323	.392	.328	102	39.7	16.3	-10.3	148	10	2.6	-0.4	33.1	4.5
1989	TOR	MLB	AL	161	680	.262	.324	.388	.289	98	47.8	17.8	-11.4	157	7	1.5	-1.1	43.9	5.5
1990	TOR	MLB	AL	153	658	.262	.328	.393	.316	102	43.6	17.7	-11.3	151	9	3.2	1.1	37.8	5.2
1991	SDN	MLB	NL	153	642	.250	.315	.370	.314	102	36.7	17.4	-11.1	144	8	-10.3	-5.5	34.0	2.6
1992	SDN	MLB	NL	152	632	.252	.311	.370	.298	103	42.3	16.4	-10.5	157	14	-13.2	-4.2	42.0	3.3
1993	ATL	MLB	NL	68	291	.261	.321	.394	.323	100	24.8	8.3	-5.3	143	12	1.8	1.8	16.5	2.3
1993	SDN	MLB	NL	83	349	.266	.325	.402	.279	96	13.1	10.0	-6.4	144	12	-3.6	-0.6	20.0	2.0
1994	ATL	MLB	NL	113	478	.271	.334	.425	.319	101	33	14.5	-9.3	152	10	-7.1	-1.0	34.0	3.0
1995	ATL	MLB	NL	144	604	.267	.333	.416	.297	99	15.5	18.1	-11.6	114	10	-13.5	-1.6	12.7	0.4
1996	ATL	MLB	NL	159	691	.266	.330	.418	.323	98	20	21.4	-13.7	117	10	-4.2	-5.9	19.1	1.6
1997	ATL	MLB	NL	152	641	.261	.331	.408	.308	99	7.1	17.0	-12.1	109	7	-8.4	-2.0	9.7	0.4
1998	TBA	MLB	AL	151	649	.272	.336	.430	.327	94	17.7	17.7	-12.3	109	7	-11.5	-5.3	8.7	-0.3
1999	TBA	MLB	AL	144	620	.274	.343	.436	.335	97	45.3	17.3	-12.4	133	10	-6.0	-4.2	30.3	2.4
2000	TBA	MLB	AL	158	664	.271	.342	.435	.305	88	19	20.9	-13.3	115	10	-32.0	-2.0	18.0	-0.8
2001	CHN	MLB	NL	49	201	.263	.329	.435	.293	98	12	6.0	-3.8	135	7	-3.0	-1.5	10.0	0.8
2001	TBA	MLB	AL	97	385	.266	.332	.425	.350	96	22.3	11.5	-7.2	135	7	3.6	-1.9	19.1	2.5
2002	CHN	MLB	NL	146	595	.260	.331	.417	.283	101	24.6	17.1	-10.9	121	9	-12.5	-5.3	18.2	0.7
2003	LAN	MLB	NL	86	329	.266	.331	.428	.280	91	4.7	8.7	-6.1	100	10	-8.7	-1.3	1.0	-0.6
2003	VRO	A+	FSL	2	7	.000	.000	.000	.250			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0
2004	TBA	MLB	AL	27	81	.259	.325	.401	.216	99	-5.1	2.4	-1.4	70	12	-1.0	0.2	-2.9	-0.3
2004	DUR	AAA	INT	7	26	.000	.000	.000	.286			0.0		0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0

Statistics For All Levels

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Year	Team	lvl	LG	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	BB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	ISO	SF	SH
1983	FLO	A	SAL	141	119	26	37	3	1	7	63	26	20	35	3	0	.311	.411	.529	.218	1	1
1983	KIN	A+	CRL	416	350	53	85	14	1	21	164	57	55	112	3	2	.243	.353	.469	.226	3	3
1984	SYR	AAA	INT	266	238	28	56	10	1	13	107	28	26	89	0	1	.235	.309	.450	.214	1	1
1984	KNX	AA	SOU	222	189	29	47	13	2	9	91	25	29	55	0	2	.249	.352	.481	.233	0	0
1985	SYR	AAA	INT	204	176	19	40	8	2	5	67	20	23	53	0	0	.227	.328	.381	.153	1	1
1986	SYR	AAA	INT	563	468	69	121	23	4	19	209	74	83	119	0	3	.259	.375	.447	.188	0	0
1986	TOR	MLB	AL	5	5	1	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	2	0	0	.200	.200	.200	.000	0	0
1987	TOR	MLB	AL	356	295	58	73	16	0	20	149	43	60	104	3	2	.247	.376	.505	.258	0	0
1988	TOR	MLB	AL	623	536	100	151	35	4	34	296	82	79	149	6	1	.282	.376	.552	.271	4	0
1989	TOR	MLB	AL	680	551	98	148	27	3	36	289	92	119	132	7	4	.269	.399	.525	.256	5	1
1990	TOR	MLB	AL	658	557	91	167	21	1	35	295	88	94	108	5	3	.300	.400	.530	.230	4	1
1991	SDN	MLB	NL	642	528	84	147	19	1	31	261	106	105	135	4	1	.278	.396	.494	.216	7	0
1992	SDN	MLB	NL	632	531	79	152	30	4	35	295	104	96	108	8	6	.286	.394	.556	.269	4	0
1993	ATL	MLB	NL	291	255	59	79	18	1	19	156	55	34	51	1	0	.310	.392	.612	.302	1	0
1993	SDN	MLB	NL	349	302	52	83	11	1	18	150	46	42	55	4	3	.275	.361	.497	.222	4	0
1994	ATL	MLB	NL	478	424	81	135	25	1	34	264	94	50	76	7	3	.318	.389	.623	.304	3	0
1995	ATL	MLB	NL	604	528	85	148	27	1	27	258	93	65	99	3	6	.280	.361	.489	.208	6	0
1996	ATL	MLB	NL	691	617	81	182	37	1	28	305	107	68	116	7	3	.295	.365	.494	.199	4	0
1997	ATL	MLB	NL	641	564	77	156	25	1	22	249	97	68	112	5	0	.277	.356	.441	.165	5	0
1998	TBA	MLB	AL	649	564	73	160	33	0	19	250	81	79	118	7	2	.284	.371	.443	.160	4	0
1999	TBA	MLB	AL	620	529	75	164	30	1	32	292	104	86	107	1	0	.310	.405	.552	.242	4	0
2000	TBA	MLB	AL	664	566	82	157	18	0	27	256	106	91	120	2	0	.277	.373	.452	.175	7	0
2001	TBA	MLB	AL	385	343	40	109	18	0	19	184	61	40	69	1	1	.318	.387	.536	.219	2	0
2001	CHN	MLB	NL	201	170	27	48	7	2	12	95	41	26	37	0	1	.282	.383	.559	.276	2	0
2002	CHN	MLB	NL	595	523	67	143	27	2	30	264	103	63	99	1	2	.273	.353	.505	.231	5	0
2003	LAN	MLB	NL	329	297	32	74	14	0	13	127	40	31	66	0	0	.249	.322	.428	.178	0	0
2003	VRO	A+	FSL	7	6	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	1	2	0	0	.167	.286	.167	.000	0	0
2004	DUR	AAA	INT	26	21	4	5	0	0	1	8	4	5	6	0	0	.238	.385	.381	.143	0	0
2004	TBA	MLB	AL	81	72	7	13	3	0	2	22	7	9	19	0	0	.181	.272	.306	.125	0	0

Plate Discipline

YEAR	Pits	Zone%	Swing%	Contact%	Z-Swing%	O-Swing%	Z-Contact%	O-Contact%	SwStr%	CSAA

Injury History — No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On	Date Off	Transaction	Days	Games	Side	Body Part	Injury	Severity	Surgery Date	Reaggravation
2003-06-14	2003-08-22	60-DL	69	60	Right	Groin	Strain		-

Compensation

Year	Team	Salary
2003	LAN	$3,750,000
2002	CHN	$7,250,000
2001	TBA, CHN	$6,500,000
2000	TBA	$5,945,818

Years	Description	Salary
4 yr	Previous	$23,445,818
4 yr	Total	$23,445,818

Service Time	Agent	Contract Status
16 y 9 d	Jim Krivacs

Details
1 year (2004). Signed by Tampa Bay as a free agent 2/04 (minor-league contract). Contract purchased by Tampa Bay 5/04. DFA 7/04. Signed 7/04 (minor-league contract). 1 year/$3.75M (2003). Signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 12/02. Chicago Cubs declined 2003 option 10/02 ($0.5M buyout). Acquired by Chicago Cubs in trade from Tampa Bay 7/01. Chicago Cubs exercised $7.25M for 2002 option 11/01.

2019 Preseason Forecast

Last Update: 1/27/2017 12:35 ET

PCT	PA	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	DRC+	VORP	FRAA	WARP
Weighted Mean	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	0	0	?	?	.000	.000	.000	0	0.0	?	0.0

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Date	Question	Answer
2014-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)	What is it going to take for Fred McGriff to be elected to the baseball Hall Of Fame? What are your thoughts and insights on his chances? Second question not related to the above question. How do you guys project Angels prospect Kaleb Cowart going forward, he had a slow year last season so how do the Angels see him in their organization going forward? Thanks again, Chris Hart (chris hart from south georgia)	More Tom Emanski videos and a bigger dad hat. I'll bet McGriff comes up short because MVP voting is even dumber than HOF voting. (Jeff Moore)
2013-01-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)	I know Carlos Delgado isn't up for election until 2015, but given that a comparable player (on another site) is Fred McGriff (though McGriff's JAWS socre is higher than Delgado's; 40.7 to 36.3, though their peaks are very close, off by 1 point, with McGriff's being higher), do you forecast that he'll experience a similar voting path McGriff is currently experiencing? Of course, their eligibility windows are different entities, and it may be somewhat like comparing apples to oranges, but the big link between the two is that their careers overlapped the PED era. (Mike Shumka from Milton, Ontario)	Yeah, I don't see Delgado getting anywhere in the voting if McGriff doesn't. It doesn't help his cause that nothing he did after age 34 had much value, WAR-wise. (Jay Jaffe on the Hall of Fame)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)	As an obvious Braves fan, what's the rational for Dale Murphy and Fred McGriff being left out of the Hall of Fame. I understand, although though don't completely agree with, the lack of dominance factor for McGriff, but he was one of the most consistent hitters in the 1990s. As for Murphy, he is being punished for the opposite, lack of consistency despite his dominance. It is hard to neglect the fact that Murphy was one of the top ten hitters of the 1980s, which should be reason enough to elect him. Sorry, I am not working with a lot of data here, but I wanted to here your rationale and opinion. Thanks again. (UCBravesKing from Erlanger, KY)	Murphy's peak was high but short, and there was little in between his good years and his awful ones. We have him with six seasons of 5.0 WARP or more, while his seventh best is worth less than 2.0, and only three of them are worth between 1.0 and 2.0. McGriff has just three above 5.0, and six more between 2.0 and 3.0. First base is a position for MASHERS, and he just didn't fit that description for long enough. The average HOF 1B has a True Average of .320, and while the Crime Dog was at .317 or higher nine times, he's down in the .265-.285 range for almost as many. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2010-07-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)	How about Fred McGriff? Big HR guy with no steroid taint. (SIERAmist from Clean Coal Fantasyland, WV)	Unless he's added a few homers since December, what I wrote back then (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9871) still applies: For years now, there's been talk of the fact that with his 493 homers, McGriff might unseat Dave Kingman (442 homers) as the player with the highest total not to make the Hall of Fame. Jose Canseco (462 homers) has already erased the so-called "Kingman Line," but then his transgressions insured he'd never make Cooperstown anyway. There's bound to be a certain nostalgia among voters for McGriff, who hit the majority of his shots before the pharmaceutically-fueled assault on the single-season home-run record began, and an acknowledgment that the round-numbered milestone he fell short of means less today than it did a generation ago. Even so, McGriff doesn't have a particularly strong case for Cooperstown. Despite the two home-run titles, he's well short of the Black Ink of a typical Hall of Famer (though that Jamesian metric fails to adjust for expansion). He never won an MVP award (his top single-season WARP total of 6.8 isn't quite MVP territory), and while he did place in the top 10 in the voting in six straight seasons (1989-1994), he only cracked the top five in 1993. JAWS-wise, that stretch of six-win seasons still isn't enough for him to measure up to the average Hall of Famer on peak score, and he's even further below the standard on career WARP. The shape of his JAWS line is very similar to that of Tony Perez (59.0/41.3/50.2), but that particular Doggie had five pennants, two rings, and a more famous dynasty to his name. The guess here is that he'll fall far short, but linger on the ballot for a long time. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)	Jay, thanks for the chat. Tyler Kepner in yesterday's NYT handicapped the HOF choices, in which he made reference to stat-based criteria, but he remains confoundingly lukewarm on Tim Raines (in my opinion, the highest impact player on the ballot), yet high on Fred McGriff. While I agree with you that McGriff is not an overwhelming candidate (please don't tell Bill James, who loved him), he has a case, but so does Raines, of an order of magnitude several notches greater than McGriff. And Kepner continues the patronizing commentary on Bert Blyleven. You can tell where my vote would go, but I cannot understand the lukewarm response to Raines. When will these guys learn? (BeplerP from New York, NY)	I don't know exactly how Kepner voted (or if he even has a ballot) but I think you're in danger of mistaking his opinion of those players' cases for his assessment of their chances in this year's voting, at least when it comes to Raines. When will the voters learn? Some of them may never change their views on guys like Raines and Blyleven whom the statheads like us hold dear. The best we can hope for is that newer generations who come to the question with open minds can be swayed by the preponderance of evidence in their favor. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)	I'd call this good news for Bert. I was worried he'd stagnate around 62%. do you have the % of the vote for Edgar, Raines and Barry? They don't have it on espn.com. Thanks. (collins from greenville nc)	539 ballots, five blanks, Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%), Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%), Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%), Jack Morris 282 (52.3%), Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%), Lee Smith 255 (47.3%), Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%), Tim Raines 164 (30.4%), Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%), Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%), Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%), Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%), Dave Parker 82 (15.2%), Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%), Harold Baines 33 (6.1%), Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%), Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%), Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%), Eric Karros 2 (0.4%), Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%), Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%), David Segui 1 (0.2%), Mike Jackson 0, Ray Lankford 0, Shane Reynolds 0, Todd Zeile 0. Segui gets his vote. Baines remains on life support thanks to the persistence of a stubborn few. Karros receives more votes than he had All-Star appearances. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-08-04 14:00:00 (link to chat)	Think Canseco is telling the truth when he says a juicer is already in the Hall of Fame? (Greg from Des Moines)	My little brother was kidding me at the park a couple of months ago: "The thing about the steroids scandal is, Jose Canseco?--complete vindicated." Given how much the worm's turned on the perception front, do we really want to say he's not telling the truth? If there is one already in, that might be the right sort of tonic to those who on the one hand seem to noisily against certain players for the Hall, but then seem to be notably silent about Fred McGriff. And while it's easy to get overly worked up about slippery slopes, if McGriff's in and Rice is in but Keith Hernandez or Tim Raines isn't, is this really just "the Hall of People Who Didn't Use a Few of Our Least Favorite Substances, but Not All of Them, Insofar as We Know." (Christina Kahrl)
2009-03-30 18:30:00 (link to chat)	Jim Rice - Hall of Famer? (john from chicago)	Before I answer, let me acknowledge that (a) Jim Rice was my favorite player growing up, and (b) I'm a "big Hall" kind of guy. With that context, I disagree with what seems to be the prevailing sabermetric opinion, including here at BP, that Rice was obviously unworthy as a HOF selection. I don't think he's a no-brainer Hall of Famer, but I think he has a legitimate argument. Rice's case is obviously one built on peak value, not career length. Also, the argument has been that he is less valuable according to sabermetric models than how he was regarded at the time. His OBP, home park, double-play totals, and positional adjustments are counterbalanced by the notion that he was the most "feared" hitter or his day. But how do you actually assess how "feared" he was, and how that reputation played out in his peak value. I actually did some work on this back when the election was on people's minds. Rice had 6 Top 10 finishes in the MVP voting. Among players with exactly 6 Top 10 finishes, 11 are in the HOF, 6 are active or too recent, and only 4 are not in the Hall (Vern Stephens, Dave Parker, Andres Galarraga, Fred McGriff). Even among those with just 5 such finishes, the ratio is 17 HOF, 6 not HOF, 5 active. There's a reasonable case that players with Rice-like peaks get into the Hall about 2/3rd of the time. Of course, all of Rice's Top 10 finishes were in fact Top 5 finishes. All of the players with 6 such rankings are in the Hall (4) or obviously qualified barring PED-externalities (Frank Thomas, Albert Pujols, A-Rod). Of those with exactly 5 Top 5 MVP years, only Pete Rose and Dave Parker aren't in the Hall or active. Sorry for taking so much time to answer this one, but I think Rice looks better through contemporary views than through a modern analytical lens, and I don't think it's silly to consider that perspective. (Keith Woolner)
2008-12-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)	Will, it seems that Teixeira will surely sign a long contract, maybe even 8 or 10 years. Does he seem like a good bet to provide solid value over the life of that contract, particularly the last couple seasons? (Phil from NJ)	NFL.com ads on BP? That's a bit odd looking ... Ok, it's impossible to project 10 years out. Three is tough. Without the PECOTA comps, I go to BRef. There, you start seeing comp names like Willie McCovey, Jeff Bagwell, Fred McGriff and if you want a downside, Glenn Davis. All are pretty good physical comps, so that's a plus. McCovey was a HOFer and good until 37, with a nice peak through age-33, so getting those years of Teixeira cover most of an 8 year deal. Bagwell has a similar career path with a bit steeper of a drop due to the shoulder. Still, if you'd signed him to a big deal at age-28, you wouldn't have been unhappy. Davis had a HUGE dropoff and was out of the game at 32, so there's your worst-case. It's McGriff who I think is most comparable. Really good through 31, then good enough to be an All-Star for four more years. Worth $20 million a year? Not for the whole contract, but you don't kick yourself for doing it. For Teixeira, I wonder if the off-field value holds as much as we think for Baltimore (where he could be a huge difference maker in a lineup with Markakis and Wieters) or for Washington (where they're gonna stink no matter what and he could end up A-Rodding by the middle of the deal). (Will Carroll)
2008-09-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)	With the Jays on the noggin, who's going to be the first player into the HoF with a Blue Jays cap? (Aaron from YYZ)	Rickey Henderson? Fred McGriff? Lyle Overbay? Maybe a successful VC campaign for Dave Stieb? That's a stumper. I honestly don't know the answer. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-06-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)	And don't forget the Yankees' own "Attorney General," Alberto Gonzalez! Now that I think of it, did you coin that one? Or maybe it was Pete Abe? (G-MOTA from Bumpus, MA)	I think, like Fred McGriff, "The Crime Dog," that was an example of convergent evolution. I think Pete Abe and I started doing that at roughly the same time. With McGriff, I remember calling him the Crime Dog long before I saw it in the media anywhere, but I was 15 and not writing anywhere but my school paper, so I doubt it got much further than Mrs. Futterman's homeroom. It just must have been obvious to a number of people at the same time. PS: I made up Mrs. Futterman, homeroom teacher/bondage freak. (Steven Goldman)

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