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MLB Statistics
| YEAR | TEAM | AGE | G | PA | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | SO | HBP | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | DRC+ | DRAA | BRR | FRAA | BWARP |
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| 2018 | NYA | 21 | 123 | 484 | 117 | 16 | 1 | 24 | 42 | 122 | 5 | 6 | 2 | .271 | .340 | .480 | 121 | 13.5 | 0.8 | 6.9 | 3.7 |
| 2019 | NYA | 22 | 144 | 604 | 152 | 26 | 0 | 38 | 48 | 129 | 3 | 5 | 2 | .278 | .337 | .535 | 124 | 21.9 | -1.0 | -2.4 | 3.9 |
| Career | 267 | 1088 | 269 | 42 | 1 | 62 | 90 | 251 | 8 | 11 | 4 | .275 | .338 | .511 | 123 | 35.4 | -0.1 | 4.5 | 7.6 | ||
Statistics for All Levels
'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.Minor league stats are currently shown —Click to hide.
| YEAR | Team | Lg | LG | G | PA | oppAVG | oppOBP | oppSLG | BABIP | BPF | BRAA | repLVL | POS_ADJ | DRC+ | DRC+ SD | FRAA | BRR | DRAA | BWARP |
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| 2014 | BOI | A- | NOR | 7 | 32 | .265 | .336 | .381 | .500 | 123 | 3.8 | 0.9 | 0.4 | 165 | 0 | 0.4 | 0.6 | 1.0 | 0.4 |
| 2014 | CUB | Rk | AZL | 43 | 183 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .339 | 0.0 | 150 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 1.0 | 0.0 | |||
| 2015 | SBN | A | MID | 119 | 514 | .256 | .315 | .361 | .373 | 102 | 3.8 | 14.1 | 6.5 | 116 | 0 | -9.5 | -2.0 | 1.4 | 1.1 |
| 2015 | MYR | A+ | CAR | 7 | 24 | .258 | .310 | .372 | .250 | 92 | -2.6 | 0.6 | 0.3 | 43 | 0 | 0.2 | -0.3 | -1.8 | -0.1 |
| 2016 | MYR | A+ | CAR | 94 | 409 | .258 | .331 | .386 | .341 | 101 | 7.6 | 11.7 | 4.7 | 127 | 0 | 0.6 | 0.2 | 0.2 | 1.8 |
| 2016 | TAM | A+ | FSL | 31 | 138 | .260 | .325 | .380 | .299 | 101 | 2.7 | 3.9 | 1.3 | 118 | 0 | -0.9 | -2.9 | -0.5 | 0.1 |
| 2016 | SCO | Wnt | AFL | 18 | 76 | .000 | .000 | .000 | .431 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | |||
| 2017 | TRN | AA | EAS | 32 | 139 | .267 | .332 | .417 | .295 | 95 | 9.2 | 3.8 | 1 | 138 | 0 | 2.7 | 1.3 | 5.5 | 1.5 |
| 2017 | SWB | AAA | INT | 23 | 96 | .265 | .328 | .404 | .426 | 101 | 5.3 | 2.8 | 0.7 | 127 | 0 | 2.4 | -1.8 | 2.7 | 0.7 |
| 2018 | NYA | MLB | AL | 123 | 484 | .248 | .317 | .416 | .321 | 109 | 9.1 | 13.6 | 0.4 | 121 | 8 | 6.9 | 0.8 | 13.5 | 3.7 |
| 2018 | TAM | A+ | FSL | 3 | 11 | .245 | .293 | .369 | .500 | 104 | 1.5 | 0.3 | -0.1 | 120 | 0 | -0.2 | 0.0 | 0.2 | 0.0 |
| 2018 | SWB | AAA | INT | 14 | 56 | .262 | .327 | .400 | .400 | 103 | 2.7 | 1.6 | 0.3 | 119 | 0 | 0.8 | 0.1 | 1.1 | 0.4 |
| 2019 | NYA | MLB | AL | 144 | 604 | .255 | .323 | .446 | .296 | 101 | 19.4 | 18.2 | 3.7 | 124 | 8 | -2.4 | -1.0 | 21.9 | 3.9 |
Statistics For All Levels
Minor league stats are currently shown —Click to hide.| Year | Team | lvl | LG | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | TB | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | ISO | SF | SH |
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| 2014 | CUB | Rk | AZL | 183 | 154 | 33 | 43 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 58 | 29 | 25 | 33 | 8 | 7 | .279 | .372 | .377 | .097 | 4 | |
| 2014 | BOI | A- | NOR | 32 | 28 | 4 | 11 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 22 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 2 | 0 | .393 | .469 | .786 | .393 | 0 | |
| 2015 | MYR | A+ | CAR | 24 | 23 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 7 | 0 | 1 | .174 | .208 | .174 | .000 | 0 | 0 |
| 2015 | SBN | A | MID | 514 | 464 | 53 | 136 | 24 | 5 | 3 | 179 | 62 | 43 | 108 | 22 | 13 | .293 | .353 | .386 | .093 | 4 | 1 |
| 2016 | MYR | A+ | CAR | 409 | 356 | 62 | 98 | 23 | 3 | 9 | 154 | 47 | 42 | 87 | 19 | 10 | .275 | .359 | .433 | .157 | 1 | 5 |
| 2016 | TAM | A+ | FSL | 138 | 122 | 19 | 31 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 47 | 19 | 16 | 23 | 2 | 3 | .254 | .341 | .385 | .131 | 0 | 0 |
| 2016 | SCO | Wnt | AFL | 76 | 62 | 15 | 25 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 40 | 11 | 14 | 8 | 4 | 2 | .403 | .513 | .645 | .242 | 0 | 0 |
| 2017 | SWB | AAA | INT | 96 | 81 | 9 | 25 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 37 | 16 | 13 | 26 | 2 | 2 | .309 | .406 | .457 | .148 | 1 | 0 |
| 2017 | TRN | AA | EAS | 139 | 121 | 22 | 33 | 10 | 1 | 5 | 60 | 18 | 17 | 21 | 5 | 4 | .273 | .367 | .496 | .223 | 0 | 0 |
| 2018 | SWB | AAA | INT | 56 | 49 | 6 | 17 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 25 | 11 | 5 | 10 | 1 | 1 | .347 | .393 | .510 | .163 | 2 | 0 |
| 2018 | TAM | A+ | FSL | 11 | 9 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | .333 | .455 | .444 | .111 | 0 | 0 |
| 2018 | NYA | MLB | AL | 484 | 431 | 54 | 117 | 16 | 1 | 24 | 207 | 77 | 42 | 122 | 6 | 2 | .271 | .340 | .480 | .209 | 5 | 1 |
| 2019 | NYA | MLB | AL | 604 | 546 | 96 | 152 | 26 | 0 | 38 | 292 | 90 | 48 | 129 | 5 | 2 | .278 | .337 | .535 | .256 | 6 | 1 |
Plate Discipline
| YEAR | Pits | Zone% | Swing% | Contact% | Z-Swing% | O-Swing% | Z-Contact% | O-Contact% | SwStr% | CSAA |
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| 2018 | 1936 | 0.4576 | 0.4850 | 0.6869 | 0.6637 | 0.3343 | 0.7806 | 0.5299 | 0.3131 | 0.0000 |
| 2019 | 2379 | 0.4666 | 0.5174 | 0.7230 | 0.7351 | 0.3270 | 0.7966 | 0.5783 | 0.2770 | 0.0000 |
| Career | 4315 | 0.4626 | 0.5029 | 0.7068 | 0.7031 | 0.3303 | 0.7894 | 0.5566 | 0.2932 | 0.0000 |
Injury History — No longer being updated | Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET |
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2019 Preseason Forecast | Last Update: 1/27/2017 12:35 ET |
| PCT | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | DRC+ | VORP | FRAA | WARP |
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| 90o | 59 | 15 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 13 | 1 | 1 | .288 | .373 | .462 | 132 | 0.0 | 2B 0, | 0.0 | ||
| 80o | 39 | 10 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 9 | 1 | 0 | .294 | .368 | .529 | 124 | 0.0 | 2B 0, | 0.0 | ||
| 70o | 25 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 | .273 | .333 | .455 | 119 | 0.0 | 2B 0, | 0.0 | ||
| 60o | 13 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | .273 | .333 | .364 | 114 | 0.0 | 2B 0, | 0.0 | ||
| 50o | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | .000 | .000 | .000 | 109 | 0.0 | 2B 0, | 0.0 | ||
| Weighted Mean | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | .250 | .250 | .250 | 111 | 0.0 | 2B 0, | 0.0 |
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BP Articles
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| 2020-05-15 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Last years july2 class aside from Rodriquez, puasaon, and j Dominguez - anyone else standout this early or creating buzz? (John e from Quest) | Erick Pena, Maximo Acosta, and Hedbert Perez have stood out, impressing in instructs and flashing big tools. Pena could develop into a 6/7/5 bat (hit/power/speed) who may stick in center field. He notably ripped a single off of a Michael Kopech heater. Acosta has received comps to a young Gleyber Torres, which is high praise. He has a well-regarded hit tool with potential average-to-above power and some speed. Perez is the son of former big-leaguer Robert Perez. He has a Tyler O'Neill-type physique (the kid is jacked), and probably similar FV grades for his tools with maybe a bit more hit. (Jesse Roche) |
| 2020-02-14 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Top five second basemen in 2025 (steve from wis) | The most difficult part about this is figuring how who will actually be a 2B in 2025!
Keston Hiura, Gavin Lux, Brendan Rodgers, Ozzie Albies & Vidal Brujan (Wander Franco & Gleyber Torres stick at SS) (Jesse Roche) |
| 2019-11-26 14:00:00 (link to chat) | Should the Brewers consider potentially shopping Josh Hader to fill other holes on the roster? He could command a big return while they have massive uncertainty in the rotation(to be generous) and could definitely stand to upgrade at 1B,SS, and 3B.(almost forgot Catcher now too). I can’t imagine they have a ton of money to spend. I’m not sure betting on the bullpen to stay elite to bail out the rotation and win 1-run games is wise.
To a lesser extent, the same question, but regarding the Reds and Luis Castillo. Maybe one of the few piece that the Dodgers would dangle a Lux led package for(or say Ruiz,Maeda,Downs,Gonsolin in a non-Lux package). Or a Castillo-Gleyber Torres basis swap make some sense if the Yankees acquire a better SS(Didi,Lindor,Story..etc). Thank You! (Matt from Boston) | I can't see the Brewers going this way. You could make the argument a reliever who has been as heavily used and as good as Hader is always a liability to implode, but there's also the value a fireman-type pitcher provides. I think it's more likely the Brewers add on in free agency—a few positions will likely be filled with less-than-premier stopgaps, but the team actually has a lot more money to move around than some might think. Their only contracts are Braun (mutual option after 2020), Cain (through 2022), and an enormously cheap Yelich deal (2021). I can see the team trying to scrape out the farm system coffers to bring in a player or two via trade, but for all the talk of teams restructuring by trading some of their best I'm not sure those sort of moves will actually make the teams that do them appreciably better. As for Castillo, the largest issue I see is dangling him would seem an admission the Reds don't see his 2019 breakout as real—and if they don't, why would other teams pay that way? But I doubt the Dodgers are going to trade for a starter with their wealth right now. And I don't think the Yankees want to join the Cubs in trading Gleyber Torres... (Free Agent Chat w/Ginny Searle) |
| 2019-11-04 13:00:00 (link to chat) | So, looking back at Mountcastle's 2019, an .871 OPS is certainly good, but maybe not great? There were a lot of people talking about service time manipulation as the reason for holding him at AAA, but is it possible that the numbers say he wasn't quite ready? (bpalee from DC) | There's an argument to let him get his licks in now in low stakes end-of-the-season scenarios so you can start to see what if any adjustments you need to make against major league arms. Also there's the benefit of giving the fans watching an endless parade of dingers from Gleyber Torres et. al. something to hang their hat on. But sure, you could make an argument he didn't force the issue. (You could also make an argument that by May 2020 the games will be low stakes again anyway). (Baltimore Orioles Top 10 Chat) |
| 2019-07-29 13:00:00 (link to chat) | I am in first place with the most points scored in a daily H2H league where pitching dominates. I have Kopech, Hunter Greene and Dustin May as prospects, but more importantly also have Wander Franco. I've through some luck (and skill!) put together a bunch of "good" starters, Woodruff, Wainwright, Darvish, Stroman, E-Rod, and Ryu. I've essentially been offered DeGrom for Franco. Do I take it as insurance for Woodruff and the increased likelihood of winning this year, or do I hold on to Franco and try to go for more of a dynasty approach with the pitching prospects and Franco?
I should also point out I have Bellinger, Gleyber Torres, Puig, Donaldson, Rendon, Wil Myers and Schoop as well and this is a 30 team league with 10 MLB keepers and 8 MILB keepers that keeps players forever. Help! (Ian from Los Angeles) | That's a really close call, but I think I would make the move. In that context, you'd get to hang on to deGrom, so essentially your staff would be set up for a few years to take advantage of the prime of your hitters, which is pretty much now. I *love* Franco, but championships are nice too. (Mark Barry) |
| 2018-09-04 19:00:00 (link to chat) | What is Gleyber Torres looking like as an everyday SS in this trial? Will he unseat DD in the long run or is he going back to second pronto? (Graybar from Hotel) | From what I can tell, Torres is fine at short, but Gregorius is better there and a Gregorius SS / Gleyber 2B situation definitely seems like an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" type thing.
Then again maybe Machado insists on playing short and all of this gets jumbled even further. (Nick Schaefer) |
| 2018-07-30 23:00:00 (link to chat) | If anyone, who's the next Gleyber Torres coming up through the minor leagues? i.e., the prospect underrated by most due to purported lack of power? (Clint from Saugahatchee) | I dunno if you can really make a case that Gleyber was ever really underrated? We were "conservative" on him last year and had him 15th overall, and then we were "bullish" on him heading into this year as the #3 prospect in baseball. He's been pretty universally regarded as an elite dude for a while now, though, regardless of power. But I guess Willy Adames might count for that kind of vein if you're looking for another MLB-ready six-spotter a step or three behind that level? Yusniel Diaz maybe? (Wilson Karaman) |
| 2018-05-25 12:15:00 (link to chat) | Your thought on picking up Vlad G jr .For Gleyber Torres one yr league h2h.Thanks (Chesty from New Bern,NC) | This year alone? Stick with Gleyber, I think. We don't know if/when Toronto promotes him (it's not causing ANY issues for the mid-season list thanks for asking) and Gleyber is damn good on his own, plus even if Vlad comes up it's not like you're regretting it forever. It's a re-draft. (Craig Goldstein) |
| 2018-05-04 13:00:00 (link to chat) | How long before Gleyber Torres is hitting leadoff for the Yanks? (Mr. Fister from Arlington) | I'm sure he'll get a look this year, but I doubt he sits there in the order this season. (Anthony Rescan) |
| 2017-11-03 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Has anyone done anything in the AFL to change their outlook a decent amount?
I know many preach that they don't give much weight to AFL performance...and then those same people rank Gleyber Torres #1 after what he did in 2016. (Marvin from FLA) | I don't really put much stock in Fall Ball past seeing if guys are healthy (Albert Abreu for example). Wide variety of competition level, pitchers are gassed, run environment akin to the surface of the moon. If you need the league to tell you Ronald Acuna, Estevan Florial, and Justus Sheffield are really good prospects, I wonder what you were doing all Summer (and in some cases, in 2016). (Jeffrey Paternostro) |
| 2017-10-23 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Who leads the next wave of Yankee prospects to make it to the big leagues, Gleyber or one of the young pitchers? (Joao from Baltimore) | I'm assuming this means who gets there first? As of right now I would say that Chance Adams may find himself in New York before Gleyber Torres, but only because they may want to keep Gleyber down for Super Two purposes. The Yankees may be losing both CC Sabathia and Masahiro Tanaka this winter (although I wouldn't be shocked if they both come back). They may go out and get someone like Alex Cobb, but Adams will have a role to play. You'll also see Justus Sheffield at some point, but he's a little bit further off. Adams could probably break camp with the big team and be okay, but I doubt that happens. (Nicolas Stellini) |
| 2017-10-23 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Rank these 3 long term: Victor Robles, Gleyber Torres, Fernando Tatis Jr. (Dave from Williamsburg) | Torres and Robles are suuuper close right now. I'll take Torres first, but by a hair, then Robles and Tatis. It's hard to tell for sure with Fernandito right now because he's so dang young, but he could wind up just as good as the first two. (Nicolas Stellini) |
| 2017-10-23 13:00:00 (link to chat) | what do you see as the big next steps for the Yankees? (a.j. from las vegas) | So they obviously will need to do something with the rotation, as I said earlier. There's also the matter of Clint Frazier likely needing regular ABs and a very full outfield, and that Gleyber Torres will need somewhere to play rather soon. I wouldn't be shocked if Brett Gardner and Starlin Castro are playing elsewhere next year, and if someone like Alex Cobb is wearing pinstripes. There's also Shohei Otani. (Nicolas Stellini) |
| 2017-09-07 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Within the context of a deep dynasty, if you were going to load up on prospects with an ETA of late 2018/2019/early 2020 for a single position (CI, MI included), which position would you choose and why? Who would some of the standout names be for you? (Punchoutpappy from First In Flight) | I'd load up on shortstops because a lot of non-shortstops in the majors started out as shortstops. Plus, the current crop is deep: Gleyber Torres, Kevin Maitan, Delvin Perez, Brandan Rodgers, Willy Adames, Bo Bichette, Jorge Mateo, Nick Gordon, Isan Diaz... (Scooter Hotz) |
| 2017-08-21 13:00:00 (link to chat) | My farm consists of Gleyber Torres, Vlad Guerrero Jr, Franklin Barreto, Austin Meadows, Scott Kingery, Mickey Moniak, Blake Rutherford, Michael Kopech, Mitch Keller and Tyler Mahle. Plus recently graduated Amed Rosario, Bradley Zimmer and Clint Frazier.
Is there any positions or areas I should focus on as I work to be competitive in 2019? (Trip from SC) | Trip. Dude. You're kidding me, right? That is a ridiculous farm system, and seems pretty well-timed for your 2019 target date. I mean, really.
Just to be sure, I checked with Scooter Hotz of our prospects team. His take: "I agree with your assessment. I would also add that with prospects, don’t worry about positional need. Focus on getting the best prospects regardless of position. If you end up with a surplus of players at a position in the majors, use the trade market to re-organize your roster positionally. That will give you more value than prioritizing positional need over getting the best player available." (I will note that Scooter and I are in a fantasy league together. I've spent the entire year with a surplus of OFs and a lack of RPs, and he had a surplus of RPs and a lack of OFs, and we never got it together to make a trade. So do as we say, not as we do) (Rob Mains) |
| 2017-07-12 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Who will finish with the better career: Gleyber Torres or Addison Russell? (number1beepsfan from St. Louis) | I'm going to proceed assuming Torres recovers from his non-throwing arm UCL tear for the purposes of this question. Russell is the safer bet, certainly, as he's already demonstrated that he can handle MLB pitching and I'm a little skeptical of Torres staying at short. Russell also got raced to the majors in part because of his defense and sometimes those guys can develop more with the bat after presenting a seemingly steady level of production--thinking of say, Adrian Beltre or Elvis Andrus.
I'm going to go with Gleyber just because he hasn't failed yet and he likely has a higher upside at the plate. (Nick Schaefer) |
| 2017-06-27 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Two part question and thanks for doing the live chat!
First, what's a way to evaluate minor league numbers? I see a guy like Willy Adames put up a mediocre BA but some put him developmentally ahead of Gleyber Torres at his age. How can we read beyond scouting reports and box scores to see the real talent?
Second, do guys like Ryan McMahon or Alex Verdugo have a shot of getting a permanent callup this season? (tbdubbs from New York) | Adames hasn't been ahead of Gleyber Torres for some time. Torres has way more hitting potential, but it's not something that's necessarily obvious from a triple-slash; it's more to due with raw power and bat speed. The best way to tell is, of course, making it out to games and watching a lot of baseball. Secondarily, talk to as many people as you can who know the players and know the game.
McMahon and Verdugo could both be up at any time. Both those teams are contending and don't have an immediate organizational need, so it depends on injuries and the like. (Jarrett Seidler) |
| 2017-05-02 13:00:00 (link to chat) | With Jeimer Candelario off to a great start in AAA do you think the Cubs move him for pitching help this summer ? (Jim from Chicago) | They moved Dan Vogelbach last summer, but I think that had more to do with him lacking a natural position and they liked the return in Montgomery. I don't think they're trading Ian Happ, but I was saying that about Gleyber Torres at this time a year ago... (George Bissell) |
| 2017-05-10 13:00:00 (link to chat) | in your opinion, if Gleyber Torres becomes a perennial all-star, was it still worth it for the Cubs to get Aroldis last year? (Dustin from West Des Moines ) | Well, flags fly forever, and going into the 2016 season, that was probably true for no franchise more than the Cubs. And one could make the case that they wouldn't have gotten the championship without him. It's not an airtight case, but if you believe that, then, yeah, it was worth it.
Personally, I think they paid too high a price, both personnel-wise and ethically. But I probably don't assign the same importance to a pennant that says "World Series Champions" than others. (Rob Mains) |
| 2017-05-18 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Are there some people who actually still consider Gleyber Torres a better prospect than Amed Rosario? Do you think that's reasonable or do you just not see it (Mat from Delaware ) | I believe there are. I don't personally see it, but I get why it is said. (Jeffrey Paternostro) |
| 2017-03-23 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Who are the top 5 prospects in 2018?
Who are the top 5 prospects in 2019? (Cubs Fan 69 from Illinois) | The correct answer is I have no idea. But this is fun. Let's say 2018: Victor Robles, Eloy Jimenez, Brendan Rodgers, Gleyber Torres, and Nick Senzel. 2019: Robles, Anderson Espinoza, Acuna, Michael Kopech, and Anderson Tejada. (Mark Barry) |
| 2017-03-22 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Are there any prospects at AA that you feel could contribute at the MLlevel in 2018?
Thanks (Tito from Cleveland) | Gleyber Torres is going to start at Double-A, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's a MLB contributor in *2017* let alone 2018. (Jarrett Seidler) |
| 2017-03-22 20:00:00 (link to chat) | In the upcoming season for you when you are going to games who are you most excited to see in the Eastern & Sally Leagues? (Leonard from None of Your Business) | Just my *home* teams project to have Gleyber Torres, Justus Sheffield, Mickey Moniak, probably Sixto Sanchez and/or Adonis Medina, maybe Jhailyn Ortiz or Kevin Gowdy, Jorge Mateo and James Kapielian within a month or two, and some other interesting arms. (Jarrett Seidler) |
| 2017-02-14 12:00:00 (link to chat) | Gleyber Torres is 3yrs younger than Swanson. I assume GT has more upside than Swanson? (Dave from NJ) | I could see the argument for that. I don't think it's significantly more though. There's a Casey Stengel quote about prospect age that applies here as well. (The Top 101 Prospect Chat with Jeffrey Paternostro) |
| 2017-02-14 12:00:00 (link to chat) | Refreshing to see the overhyped Gleyber Torres to not be in a top 5. Did you guys discuss his ranking a lot, and was there a consensus that he was being overhyped by others for whatever reason (classic Yankee overhype)? (Riley from Boston) | I mean, we still have him as a top 20 prospect in baseball, so we like him. There were some divergent opinions even among staff that saw him in the AFL this year. And yeah, he got discussed a lot.
I think how you judge the profile comes down to how much power you think he ultimately develops--and the desert air and gassed marginal Double-A arms of the AFL may not give you that much insight on if something has changed there--and what the major league defensive profile is, both in terms of position and value of the glove. I don't think it is specifically Yankees hype (and we think they are one of the best systems in baseball and they had 9 101 guys, so some hype is warranted), but you do get more attention on the big prospects dealt at the trade deadline generally. Captive media audience that doesn't normally talk prospects. (The Top 101 Prospect Chat with Jeffrey Paternostro) |
| 2017-02-14 12:00:00 (link to chat) | The Amed Rosario v Gleyber Torres debate is one of my favorites. Which side are you on and why? (Demi from Canton) | Rosario due to the superior shortstop tools. It's another one within the fudge factor though depending on how you feel about the relative risks in the offensive profile. (The Top 101 Prospect Chat with Jeffrey Paternostro) |
| 2017-01-25 13:00:00 (link to chat) | How is a current starlin castro/prime starlin castro as a floor/ceiling for Gleyber Torres?
(Ryan from NJC) | a wide enough range to fit most players through (Harry Pavlidis) |
| 2017-02-06 23:00:00 (link to chat) | Hey Wilson, I asked this to Trevor but am interested in hearing your take on it: Do you agree or disagree with the notion that Yankee prospects tend to be overhyped? Joba and Jesus Montero were obviously way overhyped. I know its early, but Severino and Judge appear to have been a bit overranked as well. On that topic, Gleyber Torres was a top 20-40 prospect at midseason, is traded to the Yankees, plays worse in the minors and is now being rated in the top 5 by various outlets. I know he had a great AFL, but it was only 18 games and I don't remember offensive stats in the AFL ever being weighed as heavily as they seem to be with Gleyber.
Thank you!! (Art from Baltimore) | Mmmm, I guess it depends a bit on the nature of the "overrating" you're talking about. Internally by clubs, no, I don't believe there's any valuation change priced in by anybody on account of a player's system of residence. For general list-makers like us and others, I can't speak to other places, but I don't think I really buy that notion either. We may be marginally more likely to have first-hand coverage in places that Yankee affiliates play, but when we make our lists we're factoring in our own and plenty of secondary sources, and making the calls based on a combination of many factors (age-level, proximity, projection/production, ceiling, etc.). Organizational stuff maaaay be, like, tangentially factored in (e.g. certain orgs have long track records maximizing return with certain types of talent, so a guy in that mold might get the benefit of the doubt on a margin or something minor like that). I do think broadly that Yankee prospects (and others belonging to teams in major media centers) will have their names heard by more people just by virtue of their fanbases being larger, so I guess that's something to your point. Gleyber was well on the rise based off in-season reports already, and then he did follow that up with an outstanding fall, as you note. The regular season reports were far and away the primary driver of his rankings gains, though.
I will note that the Yanks system is legitimately as strong as it's been in a hot minute. Between a couple interesting draft classes, some monster trade hauls, and a few truckloads of IFA cash, there's intrigue at every level now. (Wilson Karaman) |
| 2017-02-06 23:00:00 (link to chat) | I'm always a little unsure of how to view Fall/Winter ball seasons- uneven competition, varied field and park conditions, etc. Any prospects who you think really raised their profile coming into next season? (smelmoth from America's Most Educated State) | I think that's right, and players are various stages of gassed by the time they come along, too. We talked a bit earlier about Gleyber Torres, he's probably the guy that impressed the most in Arizona? How much that helped his "stock" overall is up for debate, but it certainly doesn't ever *hurt* when a dude rakes against quality competition for a stretch.
One place where post-season leagues are genuinely helpful is for injury rehab guys. Ronald Acuna's a good example of that, he went down to Australia and absolutely destroyed the league for 20 games after missing half the season with a thumb injury. Looked good doing it, and reinforced the optimism scouts had after watching him play in the first half. This kid has a pretty obscene ceiling, and it was helpful for everyone to get another glimpse of it in the fall. (Wilson Karaman) |
| 2017-02-21 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Gleyber Torres or Amed Rosario and why?
(George from NY) | I love this question. I'll go Rosario, simply because he's closer to the majors, probably has more stolen base upside, is a better defender (a surefire bet to stick at shortstop) and might have the better hit tool. I really like Rosario and I think the AFL performance is causing Torres to be slightly overrated. (George Bissell) |
| 2017-02-09 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Is Gleyber Torres the most overhyped prospect in baseball right now?
(Thomas from LA) | Depends on how you choose to quantify over-hypeness. Are we talking a pure delta, (hype - talent)? Or are we looking at more of a percentage, like (hype / talent)? Because if it's the latter, there's no way Torres is more overhyped, relative to his own means, than Angels no. 2 prospect Matt Thaiss, who is probably both not a good baseball player and one of the main hopes for a large number of fans. So I'm going to say that we need to stop with all the Matt Thaiss hype. (Patrick Dubuque) |
| 2017-02-02 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Do you agree or disagree with the notion that Yankee prospects tend to be overhyped? Joba and Jesus Montero were obviously way overhyped. I know its early, but Severino and Judge appear to have been a bit overranked as well.
On that topic, Gleyber Torres was a top 20-40 prospect at midseason, is traded to the Yankees, plays worse in the minors and is now being rated in the top 5 by various outlets. I know he had a great AFL, but it was only 18 games and I don't remember offensive stats in the AFL ever being weighed as heavily as they seem to be with Gleyber. (Art from Baltimore) | Hey Art. Yeah, I think I agree with this general sentiment; there's something of a Yankee mystique that I think gets lumped in with prospects in their system. Similar to the Red Sox or Cubs, though they have the shine largely because of their top tier front office reputation. For the Yankees I think it's purely a tautology -- the Yankees are so good that they'd only acquire good players. So even players like Tyler Austin get the benefit of the doubt for a while, and every player is untouchable and a future HoF. I think their system is the best its been in ages, but I also think there's a ton of risk in all three of the names you mentioned, especially Torres, who could easily be a no-hit glove guy. (Trevor Strunk) |
| 2017-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Apparently 2 execs said that's Gleyber Torres is the number one prospect in the majors. What do you think about that? (Wesley from Anaheim) | I talked about this a bit on Flags Fly Forever, and it's too rich for my blood. We have him ranked very highly, but he's not a sure-shot shortstop, nor a lock to get to 50 pop, so I don't see how you get him over the guys that have performed in the majors, or the guys with more upside in the minors. (Jeffrey Paternostro) |
| 2017-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat) | hi jeff, 2 questions for you...
1)Lucas Giolito or Gleyber Torres, who you take first and why? what will their numbers look like once they hit the bigs?
2)Zach Collins of the CWS, is he actually that good or will he end up being a backup catcher or transform to 1b? what you think he can do at the major league level?
thanks (troykocur from Grand Coulee, Saskatchewan, Canada) | 1. Close enough here I might take the bat? There's a lot of volatility around Giolito right now, though I think a change of scenery could help.
2. It is way more likely he is a 1B than backup C. I think he probably has to catch to have a real major league career, but the bat is legit so (Jeffrey Paternostro) |
| 2016-12-08 23:00:00 (link to chat) | Higher ceiling Eloy Jimenez or Gleyber Torres?
(JON from CHICAGO) | Eloy. It takes a lot for me to say that about a corner outfielder over a competent defender in e middle of the infield dirt, but, well, it's appropriate that we're talking about Eloy right now because he should only ever be discussed #afterdark (Wilson Karaman) |
| 2016-12-08 23:00:00 (link to chat) | Gleyber Torres or Amed Rosario and why? (Riley from NYC) | I'll take Rosario. He's an above-average defensive shortstop, and that just locks it down for me over a guy like Torres, who's more likely to move off the position or play it marginally. Also I have a soft spot for guys who just up and figure out how to tack a grade and a half onto their raw speed over the course of a single calendar year. (Wilson Karaman) |
| 2016-12-05 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Is it apparently clear that the Yankees wont commit to any long term big contracts to get ready for Harper and Machado? (David from NY) | There's zero guarantee that Harper, Machado or any of the other potential names in that free agent class actually reach the open market, but I think the signing of Matt Holliday to a short-term deal revealed a lot about what Cashman is planning to do. The big question is how their prospect haul pans out. We have a pretty good idea that Gary Sanchez is a core performer. Are Gleyber Torres and Clint Frazier too? What about guys like Greg Bird, Aaron Judge, etc...Tons of variables to consider, but you have to love the position the Yankees have put themselves in long-term. (George Bissell) |
| 2016-12-05 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Better long term? The Mets or Yankees? (David from NY) | New York. Just kidding. I'll take the Yankees. Amed Rosario vs. Gleyber Torres is going to be a fun debate in two or three years... (George Bissell) |
| 2016-11-22 20:00:00 (link to chat) | What a fall for Gleyber Torres. Where does he rank among SS prospects? (Reggie from AZ) | Not quite 101 time yet, but off the top of my head, probably fourth or fifth. In no real order, there's the Crawford, Rosario, Swanson trio out of the NL East likely still ahead of him, and they all should stay at short. Next tier, there's probably Torres and Brendan Rodgers? Am I missing anyone? (Jarrett Seidler) |
| 2016-11-22 20:00:00 (link to chat) | What are your thoughts on Aneury Tavares. Any chance he gets taken in the Rule 5 draft and has a shot to stick? Do you think you'll get to see Brendan Rodgers in AA next season? Who are you most looking forward to seeing in the league? (AJ from Ottawa) | I think I saw him approximately four or five times this year and I still had to just look it up to make sure I was thinking of the right short dude with the odd-looking swing. That probably says it all, honestly. I don't expect him to taken, but stranger things have happened.
I sure hope Rodgers makes Double-A, but I mean, my home park of Trenton alone rates to have Gleyber Torres, James Kaprelian, Jorge Mateo, and perhaps Albert Abreu. The EL is gonna be loaded next year. (Jarrett Seidler) |
| 2016-11-22 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Do you rank Gleyber Torres 4th or 5th among SS because of ceiling, distance from Majors, or both? Is he far behind Crawford, Rosario, and Swanson? (Chris from NY) | I don't think his ceiling is much behind those guys, but they're all actualized more in some marginally to significantly greater way. Dansby Swanson is already a major leaguer, and Gleyber hasn't hit Double-A yet. That matters. (Jarrett Seidler) |
| 2016-08-25 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Big Yankee fan here. My friend who is a Mets fan is trying to tell me Amed Rosario is better and will be better in MLB than Gleyber Torres. Tell him that hes wrong please (Dan from Yankee Farm) | Eeeeeeesh. Just agree with your Metsfan friend to both be happy your respective New York team has a quality shortstop prospect in the pipeline. (Adam McInturff) |
| 2016-06-09 13:00:00 (link to chat) | What type of player do you see Gleyber Torres being? Can he be a fantasy star? (Chris from Chicago) | I don't see fantasy star, even playing a premium position. Think...think a poor man's J.P. Crawford. (Christopher Crawford) |
| 2016-06-09 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Best SS prospect in 2018? (Nicky from Texas) | Gleyber Torres. (Christopher Crawford) |
| 2016-06-21 20:00:00 (link to chat) | Who are the 5 best players in A ball not named Victor or Yoan (since he's called up anyways)? (Rawnie from Boston) | Rafael Devers, Gleyber Torres, Ian Happ, Bobby Bradley, Cornelius Randolph (obligatory homer pick) (Scooter Hotz) |
| 2016-04-12 18:00:00 (link to chat) | Your take on current and future hit tool for Gleyber Torres? (Mark from Chicago) | Hit tool right now -- if using it in the "what would he hit" kind of way, is 20. Using it in the more useful "how far along is the tool" kind of way, I'd say 40-45. The hit tool potential for me is 55-60. (Christopher Crawford) |
| 2016-01-21 19:00:00 (link to chat) | Is Franklin Barreto a top 10 prospect by midseason? Or is that above his ceiling? ( Billy B from Oakland) | Hey there Billy. That DePodesta thing in Cleveland is crazy right??? Um...Barreto is getting close to that already given the glut of elite prospects that reached the Majors last season. He's not near the level of someone like J.P. Crawford tho. I'd put him, Rodgers, Turner, Swanson, Anderson and Arcia ahead of him at the position just off the top of my head. Gleyber Torres is in the mix there too. (George Bissell) |
| 2016-01-21 19:00:00 (link to chat) | What are your thoughts on Raul Mondesi? His stock seems to be pretty low right now. I realize he hasn't lived up to expectations offensively, but the tools are still there, right? Would you take his upside over someone like Gleyber Torres? (Kevin from Arlington, VA) | Nope. (George Bissell) |
| 2015-09-30 19:00:00 (link to chat) | Do the Cubs still have a top 8 farm system? (Randy from Iowa) | Yes and the emergence of Willson Contreras helps that out a lot. They have Gleyber Torres and Ian Happ in the farm to go along with some arms like Duane Underwood and Pierce Johnson. Opinions on Dylan Cease are mixed because of his command profile but the man throws in the upper 90's and I have heard reports that he was pressing 99 in a few starts. (Mauricio Rubio) |
| 2015-08-25 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Is Gleyber Torres a legit top end prospect, or is he just an over-hyped Cubs middle infielder? (Scott from Lincolnshire) | What's up with all the Cubs hate? Jeez. I really like Torres, and assuming Schwarber graduates (he will) I think he might be their best overall prospect. High ceiling with a relatively high floor as a shortstop is pretty nice. (Christopher Crawford) |
| 2015-07-23 17:00:00 (link to chat) | I've got Jose Fernandez in my 5x5 dynasty. Currently have an offer of Price, Puig & Gleyber Torres for him. Am I crazy to take this? Crazy not to? (Undecided from Windy City) | Neither. It seems like a reasonable offer with a good amount of risk/reward on both sides. If you believe in a bounce back from Puig, you have a slight advantage on that end even if Torres never works out. (Mike Gianella) |
| 2015-07-23 17:00:00 (link to chat) | Should Gleyber Torres be virtually untouchable for the Cubs in any trade? Is he going to be that good? (Chris Lundin from Iowa) | I don't like saying anyone is untouchable, but they don't want to deal him unless it's a big upgrade. The ceilingg is a .300 hitter with 15/30 numbers, so I'd say that's good. (Mike Gianella) |
| 2015-07-23 17:00:00 (link to chat) | What do you think Gleyber Torres' ceiling is? (Bubba from Chicagooo) | .300 BA, 15 HR, 35 SB (Mike Gianella) |
| 2015-07-15 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Hey Chris, I'm stuck in Chicago but love following prospects. Outside of Nick Gordon, Gleyber Torres, Grant Holmes, Kodi Modieros, am I missing anybody to watch in the MWL? Closest teams to me are Kane, then South Bend and Beloit. Thanks (Will from Chicago) | Hi Will. Don't feel bad about being stuck in Chicago. It's a great city. I like how there's beautiful architecture and a beach. You don't get that from many other places. Of course the last time I went someone stole my laptop, so nuts to your stupid city now that I think about it. Also those are pretty much the guys. (Christopher Crawford) |
| 2015-07-15 13:00:00 (link to chat) | I'm rebuilding in a dynasty mixed league. Was offered my Ervin Santana, Eovaldi or Leake, and Jim Johnson for Alen Hanson and Gleyber Torres. Yay or nay? Thanks! (Mark from Connecticut) | Do it. Embrace the rebuild. (Christopher Crawford) |
| 2015-06-18 13:00:00 (link to chat) | What are your thoughts on Gleyber Torres? Should I grab him in my dynasty league? (Eric from The couch) | He's young with a fairly high ceiling and good makeup. You're in a better position to judge whether he's someone you should snatch up. (R.J. Anderson) |
| 2015-06-16 20:00:00 (link to chat) | These rumors about my facial hair hiding another fist are false, they infact hide another Cubs SS prospect. (Chuck Norris from Chicago) | Is Gleyber Torres is blocked by Chuck Norris' facial hair? My column: (Ben Carsley) |
| 2015-06-10 14:00:00 (link to chat) | Hey J.P. Do you have any Low Minor, high ceiling prospects your a fan of and are looking to jump on before their stock gains recognition this season? (kiper90 from Rochester, NY) | Gleyber Torres (SS - CHC) is someone to pay attention to, though he's starting to get attention from die-hard fans in deeper leagues. Luis Ortiz (SP - TEX) should be owned in almost all deeper dynasty leagues. It's been a tough start to the season, but I'm not ready to give up on Magnerius Sierra (OF - STL), either. I think he has really nice fantasy potential. (J.P. Breen) |
| 2015-06-10 14:00:00 (link to chat) | In middle of dynasty prospect draft. coming up on my 2nd pick in 1st rd. in middle of rebuild, maybe another year or so away. can you rank or tier these guys for me? Snell, Marcos Molina, Sierra, Jorge mateo, gleyber, daniel robertson, fedde, kopech, honeywell, daz, carson fulmer, or any other player just drafted with the exception of the top 4. (Matt from Wis.) | That's quite the position. I'd say: Snell, Molina, Robertson, Mateo, Gleyber Torres, Honeywell, Fedde, Fulmer, etc. (J.P. Breen) |
| 2015-06-10 14:00:00 (link to chat) | In a dynasty league, how would you rank Wilmer Difo, Brett Phillips, Gleyber Torres and Derek Fisher for offensive production? (NorDub from Seattle) | Proximity to the majors also matters. I'd say Phillips, Difo, Fisher, Torres. (J.P. Breen) |
| 2015-05-27 14:00:00 (link to chat) | Ceiling on Gleyber Torres? How does he shake out with glut of Cubbie middle inf prospects? (sean3258 from Coatesville) | Can really hit. Wouldn't say impact guy like most of them but solid-average regular is possible. I wouldn't be too worried about it because if they really think he can hit, he will play somewhere. (CJ Wittmann) |
| 2015-01-15 18:00:00 (link to chat) | I'm having a hard time getting a read on Willy Adames ... getting the impression Ahmed Rosario, Gleyber Torres are better prospects (bat and defense) ... what's your take? (Jim from Orlando) | I really like Adames and believe he could be a solid regular at the MLB level. That said, I'm a bigger fan of Rosario and Torres. I would take both as low-level shortstop prospects ahead of Adames. There's too much in Adames' game that leaves me slightly down on the defensive profile and an aggressive approach that could limit the offensive output. That said, Adames is a very good prospect, and one the Rays were smart to target at the deadline last year. (Mark Anderson) |
| 2015-01-28 19:00:00 (link to chat) | Do you have a favorite prospect who's been under the radar (real life or fantasy)? (Ben from New York) | I have a few at varying levels. Gleyber Torres is starting to get some love around the industry and I think this year is going to be a big one for him. In terms of real life I have a big crush on Tyler Danish. Dude competes and has the type of fastball I'm a sucker for.
Sean Coyle isn't going to be a special player in all likelihood but I like the way he plays. It's easy to slap grinder on him because he's a short MIFer but well, he's a grinder. I dig it. (Mauricio Rubio) |
| 2015-01-28 19:00:00 (link to chat) | Hey Mauricio, who do have as some of your favorite Low Minor, high ceiling prospects to keep an eye on for 2015, and are looking to acquire before their stock gains recognition this season, ex. Tapia last pre-season or Devers by its conclusion? (kiper90 from Rochester, NY) | I mentioned him earlier but Gleyber Torres is up there. Forrest Wall is getting a lot of BP love as well that's a dude I'm keeping tabs on. It's a shame you missed the Reynaldo Lopez train but Tucker Blair just drove that one right into the mainstream. (Mauricio Rubio) |
| 2014-12-18 15:00:00 (link to chat) | If Rafael Devers, Eloy Jimenez, and Gleyber Torres were available in the 2015 draft, how high would they be ranked? How do they compare with recent high schools draftees (Jackson, Frazier, Meadows, etc.)? (Kevin from DC) | It's a good question I can't really answer right now. I don't think they'd top the lists, exactly but it's hard to say since they've also had the benefit of pro ball. Devers or Torres would rank highest, based on polish and positional value, I'd guess, but I'd still be looking at guys like Matuella above them. Still, we're so far out from the draft, that I don't think it's particularly useful to rank draft guys at present. (Craig Goldstein) |
| 2015-02-09 20:00:00 (link to chat) | What does the prospect team need to see out of Gleyber Torres for him to crack the Top 101 in 2016? (Jon from Illinois) | He was pretty darn close this year -- about as close as you can get without making the cut. If he has even a solid developmental year he'll likely debut with prominent placement. I love the profile and had to restrain myself some not to push him even further up the Cubs Top 10. (Top 101 Chat) |
| 2014-11-24 13:00:00 (link to chat) | How many of your NL Central Top 25 do you expect to make it on the top 100 list when BP publishes it? Average would be around 16 or 17 assuming talent is evenly distributed, right? (Mike from Texas) | I did say I'd throw a top 25 NL Central Prospects list out there during this chat. With the understanding this is a work in progress (Mellen and I are starting to dig in on the framework for the Top 101), this is my own personal ranking of the prospects covered in our NL Central rankings:
1. SS Addison Russell 2. 3B Kris Bryant 3. RHP Robert Stephenson 4. OF Jorge Soler 5. OF Albert Almora 6. OF Stephen Piscotty 7. LHP Marco Gonzales 8. RHP Tyler Glasnow 9. RHP Jameson Taillon 10. OF Jesse Winker 11. OF/1B Josh Bell 12. RHP Alex Reyes 13. C Kyle Schwarber 14. RHP Michael Lorenzen 15. SS Orlando Arcia 16. OF Tyrone Taylor 17. OF Billy McKinney 18. RHP Pierce Johnson 19. SS Gleyber Torres 20. RHP Jack Flaherty 21. OF Yorman Rodriguez 22. C Reese McGuire 23. RHP Nick Howard 24. RHP Devin Williams 25. LHP Rob Kaminsky I think all of those guys will be in the discussion for the 101, and expect there to be some shuffling in order of course. Definitely more than the average of 16 or 17. (NL Central Top 10s With Nick Faleris) |
| 2014-11-24 13:00:00 (link to chat) | Pick two offensive prospects not yet on the radar that you expect to break out in a big way in 2015. (Shawn from Pittsburg) | I don't know what qualifies as off the radar, but there is a lot of talent in the lower levels right now. Just grabbing a few at random Forest Wall, Ti'Quan Forbes, Jakson Reetz, Gleyber Torres, could all have impactful 2015s. New college acquisitions I think Derek Fisher has been overlooked some in the public arena. (NL Central Top 10s With Nick Faleris) |
| 2014-11-04 18:00:00 (link to chat) | In keeping with my Gleyber Torres fascination, how well-equipped is he for full season ball? (Jon from Illinois) | Get him to full-season ball! I think he's going to be the type of player that needs that level of challenge and I won't be surprised at all if he shows well in the Midwest League next year. I'm very high on Torres. (Mark Anderson) |
| 2014-11-04 18:00:00 (link to chat) | As a follow up on Torres, how is the power going to play, and how soon could we see the future projection fulfilled? (Jon from Illinois) | The power is going to take some time for Gleyber Torres. There's strength in the swing but it doesn't always come through when he swings the stick and makes contact. I think it can play to an average level if things click developmentally, but that won't happen until he's much closer to the big leagues. (Mark Anderson) |
| 2014-10-09 15:00:00 (link to chat) | How does Gleyber Torres' season bode for his ranking? With the graduated prospects, does he have a shot at top ten in the org this winter? (Jon from Illinois) | The Cubs list has gone through the BP evaluation process, but I'd prefer not to say where his placement is, or if he's been placed. After the world series, we're going to start rolling out top ten lists. (Jordan Gorosh) |
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