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Birth Date4-7-1994
Height6' 3"
Weight180 lbs
Age29 years, 11 months, 21 days
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ThrowsL
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WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

Historical (past-seasons) WARP is now based on DRA..
cFIP and DRA are not available on a by-team basis and display as zeroes(0). See TOT line for season totals of these stats.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA- WARP
2017 MIL MLB 35 0 47.7 2 3 0 25 22 68 4 4.7 4.2 0.8 12.8 36% .233 0.99 3.05 2.08 84 3.31 70.4 1.0
2018 MIL MLB 55 0 81.3 6 1 12 36 30 143 9 94 4.0 3.3 1.0 15.8 31% .220 0.81 2.18 2.43 62 2.00 44.7 2.7
2019 MIL MLB 61 0 75.7 3 5 37 41 20 138 15 95 4.9 2.4 1.8 16.4 22% .232 0.81 3.04 2.62 64 2.20 45.2 2.6
CareerMLB1510204.7119491027234928734.53.21.215.329%.2280.852.702.42682.3850.96.3

Statistics for All Levels

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg LG G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA DRA-
2012 ABE A- NYP 5 0 8.3 0 0 0 2 2 13 0 2.2 2.2 0.0 14.0 0% .143 0.48 1.29 0.00 53 1.40 29.2
2012 ORI Rk GCL 12 0 20.3 2 0 2 12 7 35 2 5.3 3.1 0.9 15.5 0% .294 0.93 2.59 2.66 73 2.35 49.0
2013 DEL A SAL 17 17 85.0 3 6 0 67 42 79 4 90 7.1 4.4 0.4 8.4 0% .265 1.28 3.92 2.65 108 4.04 87.8
2013 QUD A MID 5 5 22.3 2 0 0 14 12 16 0 104 5.6 4.8 0.0 6.4 0% .230 1.16 4.05 3.22 113 4.20 91.3
2014 LNC A+ CAL 22 15 103.3 9 2 2 76 38 112 9 104 6.6 3.3 0.8 9.8 0% .266 1.10 4.09 2.70 90 2.78 58.8
2014 CCH AA TEX 5 4 20.0 1 1 0 16 16 24 2 96 7.2 7.2 0.9 10.8 0% .286 1.60 4.87 6.30 120 5.39 114.2
2015 BLX AA SOU 7 7 38.7 1 4 0 27 11 50 3 98 6.3 2.6 0.7 11.6 0% .282 0.98 2.81 2.79 71 2.51 55.1
2015 CCH AA TEX 17 10 65.3 3 3 1 60 24 69 5 116 8.3 3.3 0.7 9.5 0% .301 1.29 3.46 3.17 88 4.02 88.1
2015 SUR Wnt AFL 7 2 16.0 2 0 0 8 7 19 0 4.5 3.9 0.0 10.7 0% .242 0.94 2.71 0.56 0 0.00 0.0
2016 BLX AA SOU 11 11 57.0 2 1 0 38 19 73 1 94 6.0 3.0 0.2 11.5 41% .291 1.00 2.14 0.95 68 2.64 58.4
2016 CSP AAA PCL 14 14 69.0 1 7 0 63 36 88 5 107 8.2 4.7 0.7 11.5 43% .345 1.43 3.80 5.22 89 3.63 80.2
2017 MIL MLB NL 35 0 47.7 2 3 0 25 22 68 4 4.7 4.2 0.8 12.8 36% .233 0.99 3.05 2.08 84 3.31 70.4
2017 CSP AAA PCL 12 12 52.0 3 4 0 49 31 51 14 118 8.5 5.4 2.4 8.8 37% .265 1.54 7.05 5.37 125 4.82 102.5
2018 MIL MLB NL 55 0 81.3 6 1 12 36 30 143 9 94 4.0 3.3 1.0 15.8 31% .220 0.81 2.18 2.43 62 2.00 44.7
2019 MIL MLB NL 61 0 75.7 3 5 37 41 20 138 15 95 4.9 2.4 1.8 16.4 22% .232 0.81 3.04 2.62 64 2.20 45.2

Plate Discipline

YEAR Pits Zone% Swing% Contact% Z-Swing% O-Swing% Z-Contact% O-Contact% SwStr%
2017 780 0.5205 0.4846 0.6217 0.6724 0.2807 0.6630 0.5143 0.3783
2018 1314 0.5236 0.5190 0.6056 0.7078 0.3115 0.6653 0.4564 0.3944
2019 1139 0.5408 0.5847 0.5826 0.7841 0.3499 0.6211 0.4809 0.4174
Career32330.52890.53380.60140.72610.31760.64920.47900.3986

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2028 HOU $19,000,000
2027 HOU $19,000,000
2026 HOU $19,000,000
2025 HOU $19,000,000
2024 HOU $19,000,000
2023 SDN $14,100,000
2022 MIL $11,000,000
2021 MIL $6,675,000
2020 MIL $4,100,000
2019 MIL $687,600
2018 MIL $556,500
2017 MIL $
YearsDescriptionSalary
6 yrPrevious$37,119,100
2019Current$19,000,000
7 yrPvs + Cur$56,119,100
4 yrFuture$76,000,000
11 yrTotal$132,119,100

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
6 y 115 dCAA5 years/$95M (2024-28)

Details
  • 5 years/$95M (2024-28). Signed by Houston as a free agent 1/19/24. 24-28:$19M annually. Award bonus: $1M for Reliever of the Year. Full no-trade protection.
  • 1 year/$14.1M (2023). Re-signed by San Diego 1/13/23 (avoided arbitration). San Diego made $20.325M Qualifying Offer 11/6/23.
  • 1 year/$11M (2022). Re-signed by Milwaukee 3/22/22 (avoided arbitration). Acquired by San Diego in trade from Milwaukee 8/1/22 with $3,928,571 remaining on contract.
  • 1 year/$6.675M (2021). Re-signed by Milwaukee 1/15/21 (avoided arbitration)
  • 1 year/$4.1M (2020). Lost arbitration with Milwaukee 2/14/20 ($6.4M-$4.1M).
  • 1 year/$687,600 (2019). Renewed by Milwaukee 3/19.
  • 1 year/$556,500 (2018). Re-signed by Milwaukee 3/18.
  • 1 year (2017). Contract selected by Milwaukee 11/18/16. Re-signed by Milwaukee 3/17.
  • Acquired by Milwaukee in trade from Houston 7/30/15.
  • Acquired by Houston in trade from Baltimore 7/31/13.
  • Drafted by Baltimore 2012 (19-582) (Old Mill HS, Millersville, Md.). $40,000 signing bonus.

2019 Preseason Forecast

Last Update: 1/27/2017 12:35 ET

PCT W L SV G GS IP H BB SO HR BABIP WHIP ERA DRA VORP WARP
90o 0.1 0 0 0 0 14.1 7 5 22 1 .233 0.83 1.34 1.68 0.1 0.0
80o 0.1 0 0 0 0 9.2 5 3 14 1 .247 0.89 1.66 2.06 0.0 0.0
70o 0.1 0 0 0 0 5.8 3 2 9 0 .257 0.94 1.90 2.34 0.0 0.0
60o 0.1 0 0 0 0 3.0 2 1 5 0 .265 0.99 2.10 2.58 0.0 0.0
50o 0.1 0 0 0 0 0.4 0 0 1 0 .273 1.03 2.29 2.81 0.0 0.0
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DateQuestionAnswer
2021-02-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)Who are the two best non-closers who you think will be the next stud closer.
(Simon from Miami)
Devin Williams and Brusdar Graterol. There have been intermittent rumors that Josh Hader may be dealt, and Williams is next in line. Kenley Jansen is in the final year of his contract. Graterol has filthy stuff that fits perfectly in the 9th. (Jesse Roche)
2020-09-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)For dynasty purposes, does it make more sense to hang on to a mid tier starter with upside (think ERod or Dane Dunning) Or a young stud bullpen arm like Devin Williams? Or another way to put it is Williams the next Josh Hader?
(Tyler from Memphis, TN)
It really depends on your roster composition and league depth but I prefer going with the starter just because so many of those arms pop up and come out of nowhere almost every year. I do really like Williams and while he might not be the next Hader he could easily be a top 5 closer if he gets the job. (Mike Gianella)
2020-06-10 19:00:00 (link to chat)Is Crochet gonna wind up a reliever?
(Jim from Albany)
Every one of the pitchers selected in the first two rounds, outside maybe Burl Carraway if he goes that high, is chosen to be a starter first. Part of the decision and evaluation process is wondering what happens at their ceiling, their floor, and the likely outcome. In Crochet's case, his floor could be Josh Hader. (Keanan Lamb)
2020-03-23 12:00:00 (link to chat)Which of these 2B options are you buying in an OBP league: Lourdes Gurriel, Kolten Wong, Brandon Lowe, Rougned Odor (15% k rate in ST), Nick Madrigal, Jonathan Schoop, Kevin Newman or Nick Kingery? Alternatively, an opportunistic owner has offered me Ketal Marte for Josh Hader. The speed of Madrigal is attractive, but he sounds a bit Dee Gordon-ish, and wonder how you think his situation will play out.
(Karl from hands)
We are apparently the official publication of Nick Madrigal, so...(I'd be fine with Brandon Lowe too). If this is otherwise a standard roto I'd take Marte for Hader though, assuming you have other relief options. (Jeffrey Paternostro)
2020-02-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)What is your general approach to pitching in a 12-team roto dynasty startup assuming the minor league draft is already out of the way? Thinking X pitchers by Y round What is your dynasty startup approach in general? Are you all in it to win early championships, draft young and try to build a super team, or thread the needle and take the middle ground?
(MK from Houston)
I normally avoid pitching early in dynasty startups. Pitching is risky and deep, especially in 12-team formats. My strategy varies league-to-league, but I tend to aim to capture 27-or-younger value throughout with a preference for 25-or-younger. I do not employ the tanking strategy that some do. I want to always be competitive while building my farm through waivers and the draft. My goal is to try to always win, though maybe not in year 1 unless things fall right. For example, my first 7 picks in P365XDL this offseason were: Trevor Story (27), Jose Ramirez (27), Josh Bell (27), Mike Soroka (22), Gary Sanchez (27), Josh Hader (26), and Forrest Whitley (22). If I had to do it over again, I may have done things a bit differently, but my team is in a position to win and be competitive over many years. You can see the draft results here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oOr5RHFObDBt6fZPegvhLW5EDie7XYXYu4OvAMDoRp0/edit?usp=sharing (Jesse Roche)
2019-11-26 14:00:00 (link to chat)Should the Brewers consider potentially shopping Josh Hader to fill other holes on the roster? He could command a big return while they have massive uncertainty in the rotation(to be generous) and could definitely stand to upgrade at 1B,SS, and 3B.(almost forgot Catcher now too). I can’t imagine they have a ton of money to spend. I’m not sure betting on the bullpen to stay elite to bail out the rotation and win 1-run games is wise. To a lesser extent, the same question, but regarding the Reds and Luis Castillo. Maybe one of the few piece that the Dodgers would dangle a Lux led package for(or say Ruiz,Maeda,Downs,Gonsolin in a non-Lux package). Or a Castillo-Gleyber Torres basis swap make some sense if the Yankees acquire a better SS(Didi,Lindor,Story..etc). Thank You!
(Matt from Boston)
I can't see the Brewers going this way. You could make the argument a reliever who has been as heavily used and as good as Hader is always a liability to implode, but there's also the value a fireman-type pitcher provides. I think it's more likely the Brewers add on in free agency—a few positions will likely be filled with less-than-premier stopgaps, but the team actually has a lot more money to move around than some might think. Their only contracts are Braun (mutual option after 2020), Cain (through 2022), and an enormously cheap Yelich deal (2021). I can see the team trying to scrape out the farm system coffers to bring in a player or two via trade, but for all the talk of teams restructuring by trading some of their best I'm not sure those sort of moves will actually make the teams that do them appreciably better. As for Castillo, the largest issue I see is dangling him would seem an admission the Reds don't see his 2019 breakout as real—and if they don't, why would other teams pay that way? But I doubt the Dodgers are going to trade for a starter with their wealth right now. And I don't think the Yankees want to join the Cubs in trading Gleyber Torres... (Free Agent Chat w/Ginny Searle)
2019-05-17 16:00:00 (link to chat)In a roto league where I'm leading the world in saves but my offense is struggling. If I were to offer up, say, Josh Hader, what kind of offensive player should I be looking for in return?
(Six callers ahead from of us, Jimmy)
You should want to get someone who is a top 30 player (not hitter, player). I don't think you can trade that combination of saves/strikeouts away without at least getting a near-elite talent in return. (Mike Gianella)
2018-07-24 20:00:00 (link to chat)In a keep forever dynasty league (20 teams), I've got a major trade brewing. Team A is a rebuilding/reloading team with Aroldis Chapman, Giancarlo Stanton, and Josh Hader. Team B is a perennial contender looking to plug some holes owning Nomar Mazara, Shohei Ohtani, and Casey Mize. Think these teams can line up with a fair deal, or is there two much value disparity?
(Tom Hagen from The Hot Stove)
A lot of it depends on the trading culture in the league. Most leagues have an exchange rate that is the rough baseline for deals like this, and the exchange rate isn't just a function of the league's parameters. Something could probably get done, but Mize probably isn't a #1 and Mazara and Ohtani have a fair number of question marks. Team A could probably get a better keeper asset or two than anyone that Team B has. (Scooter Hotz)
2018-07-24 20:00:00 (link to chat)20-Team Keep Forever Dynasty: Bryce Harper, Carter Kieboom, Rd 1 pick, Rd 2 Pick (2-round draft, 40 picks total) for Juan Soto, Josh Hader, Shohei Ohtani (pitching version). Team getting Harper side is in the bottom 3, team getting Soto side is in top 5, fair deal?
(AJ from Phoenix)
Fair, yes. I like the Harper side more despite my love of Juan Soto. (Scooter Hotz)
2018-02-05 12:00:00 (link to chat)Thoughts behind Alcantara's ranking? Seems a lot of people don't think he'll stick as a starter in the big leagues.
(Tony from Work)
If he's 'just' a good late inning reliever (and I think it's closer stuff in that eventuality), I'm find ranking him 70. I've said the same thing about Josh Hader at 19 last year, which is I think a bit more extreme example of this. I think his struggles this year in Springfield got a little overblown because of the park, but there's command and change issues, as you see in a lot of arms in that range. (Top 101 with Jeffrey Paternostro)
2017-03-09 20:00:00 (link to chat)I'm in a 10 team keeper league fantasy draft (league is pitching dominant). I will probably have a choice between Josh Hader or Michael Kopech. What arm should I target?
(Degromination from Bronx)
You are asking us to choose between our left hand and our right. We love both players about as much as you can love pitching prospects, as they check all of our upper level performance prospect boxes. If pressed, we'd probably take Kopech, as it's a little more obvious how he does it, and I trust his ability not to be a knucklehead more than Hader's potential of cutting out one walk a start. (Ben Murphy, Ian Lefkowitz and Jared Weiss)
2017-02-14 12:00:00 (link to chat)To put a guy like Gsellman at 17 overall has to mean he has Ace upside right? Or is a guy with the high floor of a #3 starter ranked in that range too? Basically, do you have to have Ace potential to be a top 15/20 prospect
(Dave from Queens)
A few different ideas to unpack here.

I haven't done my most recent check, but I'm guessing there's maybe 10-12 "aces" in the majors right now. So in any given year, they might not be an "ace" in the minors. Alex Reyes is the closest to that now, hence his ranking, but I couldn't quite pull the trigger on an 80 OFP there because of the control and command concerns. A sure shot #3 could definitely rank there though, and if you want to talk about *ceiling*--which isn't a word I love to discuss--is it impossible Gsellman gets another grade of change and command and turns into Jacob deGrom? No, it isn't, but that wasn't the line of thinking that led us to rank him there. And you could say the same things about Josh Hader, Anderson Espinoza, Brent Honeywell, plenty of pitchers in that same area of the list.

There aren't that many more #2 starters either, so guys with that potential should be top 25 guys. (The Top 101 Prospect Chat with Jeffrey Paternostro)
2017-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)How much more would we be hearing about Robert Gsellman if he was on, say the Orioles or the Marlins?
(Yachty from NM)
How much do we talk about the Orioles and Marlins systems though? I get what you are saying, but he gets talked about more than Amir Garrett and Josh Hader who are ranked roughly similar. I mean I might be yammering on about him less of course. The Angry Bird man would be thrilled as well. (Jeffrey Paternostro)
2016-12-05 20:00:00 (link to chat)Anything you can do for my fantasy baseball itch right now? Still too far away!!!!!!! who are your top 5 must stash prospects for keeper leagues? Thanks for your time tonight!
(James from OKC)
I'll give you five names off the top of my head that aren't like consensus at the top of any prospect lists: Eloy Jimenez, Brent Honeywell, Josh Hader, Mitch Keller, Isan Diaz (George Bissell)
2016-08-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)I missed out on or traded numerous prospects in my NL-only keeper league. Who are some under the radar guys (it's a 10-team league, large reserve list)? They need to have an ETA of 2018 at the latest as the three year clock starts running on them as soon as they are drafted.
(johnklein from east coast)
This is a tough question. Josh Hader is worth rostering in keeper leagues, despite the risky profile. I'm not sure what qualifies for "under-the-radar" in a 10-team league (as it depends on the size of the reserve list), but guys like Forrest Wall, Yusniel Diaz, Cody Ponce, and Jack Flaherty are guys I like. (J.P. Breen)
2016-08-24 20:00:00 (link to chat)How good can Josh Hader be? Has he finally turned a corner in Triple A?
(jdc1989 from MO)
I feel like this question is from my buddy Bobb who plays in a league with me and has asked me about Hader multiple times this season.

He's still walking way, way too many batters. Still, from a prospect, I'd rather have a guy who can strike batters out but issues a lot of walks than a guy with a subpar strikeout rate who doesn't walk many batters. Strikeout rate is the separator for me when it comes to minor league pitching stats. (Scooter Hotz)
2016-07-22 13:00:00 (link to chat)Josh Hader seems to be getting lit up in his 6 starts in Triple A. Is it the lack of his third pitch (Changeup), or just trying to adjust to the better hitters? Possibly both? Does he still profile as a starter, or are we looking at high leverage reliever, with possible closer?
(jdc1989 from MO)
He's so unusual, though unusual isn't bad--especially if you're a lefty. Being left-handed and having his velocity and angle are going to give him more chances to compensate for holes he may presently have in traditional pitchability. I think this season, specifically, has been the 'nail in the coffin' in terms of him at least getting the chance to start. Milwaukee isn't in a hurry to put him in a 'pen role to blow it out for a stretch run, either. (Adam McInturff)
2016-07-13 15:00:00 (link to chat)Josh Hader, Reynaldo Lopez, and Amir Garrett seem to have similarities in their profiles with similar volatility. Which of those guys is your preference long-term? Why?
(Matt from KY)
I'll take Lopez on upside, even if he's not a lock to remain a starter. Hell, none of them are. (Brendan Gawlowski)
2016-06-07 12:00:00 (link to chat)I picked up Josh Hader a few weeks ago after seeing his gaudy numbers. He's put up similar numbers all the way up the ladder, and this year in AA the numbers are even better. Do his stuff and ceiling seem to match the numbers, or am I looking at a back-end guy, in your opinion? Cause when I watch video of him, it's hard to not see a little bit of Chris Sale, and his numbers back that up
(lipsgardner from Toilet)
The dangerous thing about Chris Sale comps is you usually end up with Alex Wood. (Jeffrey Paternostro)
2016-06-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)The next BIG prospect nobody is talking about?
(Ed from Pitt)
As much as I don't like the delivery, I don't think we're talking about Josh Hader enough. This could be the next Chris Sale. Probably not THAT good, but man, he's really impressive. (Christopher Crawford)
2016-06-16 21:00:00 (link to chat)Who'd you rather have: Reynaldo Lopez or Josh Hader?
(bradmorgan27 from DC)
Give me the little guy with the big fastball. (Bret Sayre)
2016-06-21 20:00:00 (link to chat)Josh Hader... What are you thoughts on him, does he start 2017 in the rotation and what kind of numbers do you see? Lover or Hader on Josh? ;)
(Cole Thornton from El Dorado)
I didn't think much of Hader coming into this season but his performance and some touting by a friend of mine from a home league has turned me around. I think there's a decent chance he makes at least one start for the Brewers in the majors this season, and he should be in the mix for a rotation spot coming out of spring training next year unless the Brewers decide to limit his service time. He could be a decent # 3 starter option in roto next year if he's up with his K rate and his decent control, but Miller Park could make his ERA look subpar.

FYI, I'm probably going to end this in about 5 minutes, around when the US-Argentina soccer match mercifully ends. (Scooter Hotz)
2016-05-12 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which group of players will the Astros regret trading more? Dealing away Vincent Velasquez and Mark Appel or Brett Phillips, Domingo Santana, and Josh Hader?
(Okie from Muskogee)
The latter, which is weird to say, because I've been pretty slow to come on the Hader train. I have loved most of what Houston has done, but I think they're really going to come to regret that deal. (Christopher Crawford)
2016-04-12 18:00:00 (link to chat)Who do you have more faith in to be successful, Mike Clevinger, Jorge Lopez, or Josh Hader?
(WickedCurve26 from B-More)
Jorge Lopez by quite a bit. He's the one I'm most comfortable will be starting long-term. Clevinger has his share of supporters, as does Hader, but Lopez is the guy in that trio for me. (Christopher Crawford)
2016-03-09 19:00:00 (link to chat)Which group sucks less? Anthony Alford, Rusney Castillo, Manuel Margot, Brett Phillips, Nick Williams,Spencer Adams, Mark Appel, Dylan Cease, Josh Hader, James Kapeielian, Triston McKenzie,Vince Velasquez or Blake Swihart, Jon Singleton, Dansby Swanson, Alex Jackson, Clayton Blackburn,Tyrell Jenkins, Rob Kaminsky, Zach Lee, Keuy Mella, Justin Nicolino, Aaron Nola, Tyler Jay. God these teams are awful.
(Clark from The 19th Hole)
The first group, but you're right, but they're both bad. (Mike Gianella)
2016-03-04 13:00:00 (link to chat)I need 1 more player for my fantasy minor league team. The choice is a SP prospect (Kolby Allard, Amir Garrett, Josh Hader, Grant Holmes, Yadier Alvarez or Dylan Cease), position player (Dominic Smith or Trent Clark) or lottery ticket (Willie Calhoun). Which SP and position player would you choose and also your overall pick, taking into account not only ceiling/floor but also proximity to the bigs (the closer the better).
(paladin from philippines)
I really like a bunch of those dudes. Calhoun can be a special hitter, but he's a butcher defensively and loses value if (when) he moves to the OF. Allard and Garrett are two really high-upside arms, and Alvarez could turn into any pitcher you can think of (good or bad). I probably go Clark there, but you've got options depending on what you're into. (Wilson Karaman)
2016-01-29 11:00:00 (link to chat)Did Josh Hader garner much consideration for the back end of the 101? How concerned were/are you and others about his ability to remain a starter?
(Mokajige from The cold embrace of space, or WI)
He was a point of discussion. Much of the debate centered around that exact issue. I'm still pessimistic on his ability to remain a starter, but will admit it's getting harder and harder to hold that line. (Top 101 Chat with Craig Goldstein)
2015-02-25 14:00:00 (link to chat)Do you have any particular love for any of the following minor league pitchers? Luis Ortiz, Spencer Adams, Nick Howard, Josh Hader, Keury Mella, Garrett Fulenchek I know they are in various stages of development, but do any one of the above stand out? Any that you feel may not have much of a chance of success?
(Gravybill from Behind You!)
Ortiz and Spencer are two of my favorite helium arms that I think can explode to top prospects in 2015. I saw Howard on the Cape and he didn't thrill me, but he's gotten a lot better since the last time I saw him and people I trust who saw him last Spring had very good things to say. So I think you have those top three ordered right. Don't have much on Hader, Mella or Fulenchek. (Al Skorupa)
2014-08-06 16:30:00 (link to chat)With Josh Hader's increased velocity (touches 95) and by all accounts improved command and control of his change do you still believe his ceiling is back end of the rotation starter? I've also read reports that his delivery is as deceptive as they come. Basically what I'm saying is I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that Hader's ceiling is that low. Please enlighten me.
(elwinzer from Houston, TX)
We're not scouts, so our evaluations of him should be taken with several thousands of grains of salt. However, we saw him in Wilmington at the Carolina/California League All-Star Game and looked really good in his one inning of work. The stuff about the deceptive delivery is accurate; it's hard to really explain without seeing it live but it's almost like the ball is coming from behind his head. I think we should just wait and see what he can do at the upper levels of the minors before concluding anything about his ceiling. (Cespedes Family BBQ)
2014-07-01 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which pitcher will have the highest impact in the Majors: Josh Hader, Aaron Blair, or Ben Lively?
(Steve from nowhere)
Tough one. Hader is a reliever for me but could be nasty. Lively back-end guy. Blair back-end guy with a chance for more. I'll go Blair. (Chris Rodriguez)


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PITCHf/x Pitcher Profile

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Although he has not thrown an MLB pitch in 2023, Josh Hader threw 7,025 pitches that were tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2015 and 2024, all of them occuring in Spring Training. In 2024, he relied primarily on his Sinker (95mph) and Slider (88mph). He also rarely threw a Change (89mph).