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July 20, 2017
Eyewitness Accounts
July 20, 2017
by BP Prospect Staff
Daniel Zamora
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Born: 04/15/1993 (Age: 24) |
Bats: Left |
Throws: Left |
Height: 6' 3" |
Weight: 190 |
Tall, high waist, slender; pitches from the first base side, stretch-only, good separation, medium leg lift, slightly closed through drive; long arm action with wrap, low three-quarter slot, quick arm, clean foot strike; repeats, mild effort, creates angle to the plate; fields his position |
Javier Barragan |
05/10/2017 |
Bradenton Marauders (High A, Pirates) |
5/8 & 5/10/17 |
40/Moderate |
30: Org Value |
None |
No |
Fastball |
30 |
40 |
90 |
92 |
Sinks to both side of the plate, controls it down, occasional out pitch at corners, inconsistent command, can get flat
Movement - 30/40
Command - 30/40
Control - 40/50 |
Slider |
40 |
50 |
78 |
80 |
Tight sweeper, 2-7 movement, tough track, can generate swings & misses even in obvious counts, throws to both sides, flashes as an out pitch, comfort backfooting it to righties and taking it down and away to lefties; below-average command and control
Control - 30/40 |
Zamora creates a solid angle to the plate and deception, with a sweeping, sharp slider flashing as a quality pitch that he can sweet with reasonable consistency to the glove side. Hitters often start and stop their swing too late, or miss badly. This puts him in consideration for middle relief, but the fastball is below-average in both command and movement, and the resulting margin for error is very small. Org value is most realistic.
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Wander Suero
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Born: 09/15/1991 (Age: 25) |
Bats: Right |
Throws: Right |
Height: 6' 3" |
Weight: 195 |
Physical: Wirey build with lengthy limbs; Lacks athleticism in his frame. Not a lot of power coming from the lower half.
Low ¾ delivery with clean arm action; Average arm speed; Bends when he throws to create deception; Choppy throughout his throwing motion, has some quirks and stops to it; Closes shoulder before throwing, makes it difficult for RHH to pick up on his pitches; Finishes slightly off balance; Moderate effort.
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Greg Goldstein |
06/08/2017 |
Harrisburg Senators (AA, Nationals) |
6/1/2017 |
40/Moderate |
30; Up-and-down reliever |
2018 |
No |
Fastball |
45 |
45 |
88-90 |
91 |
Cutter with considerable glove-side movement; Movement and deception make it difficult to square; Worked corners successfully at times; Rather mess around then go after hitters.
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Slider |
45 |
50 |
80-81 |
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Average tilt; Produced late swings and weak contact; Average sharpness; Sweeps the pitch in and then out of the zone; More effective vs. RHH; Hitters swing and miss by chasing; Plays more to weak contact at higher levels.
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Suero closes ballgames for Harrisburg and shows some capability to be a middle-relief option because of the quirkiness, deception and movement in his pitching profile. He’s already 25 years old so there isn’t much projectability left, he kind of is what he is, which is a quality minor league relief arm who uses deception and movement effectively. However, he lacks the pure stuff to be anything more than an average relief pitcher at best.
Control: 50/50
Command: 50/50
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Jordan Romano
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Born: 04/21/1993 (Age: 24) |
Bats: Right |
Throws: Right |
Height: 6' 4" |
Weight: 200 |
Ideal pitchers frame, lacks remaining projection, TJ in 2015. Pitches from a full windup, long arm action, average arm speed, three-quarters slot, lacks deception, hitters get a long look at ball. |
Steve Givarz |
07/04/2017 |
Dunedin Blue Jays (High A, Blue Jays) |
6/22/2017 |
45/High |
Role 4, Up/Down Arm |
2019 |
No |
Fastball |
60 |
60 |
91-95 |
95 |
Features some cutting action, but fringe-average to average control.
Movement- 45/45 |
Slider |
45 |
55 |
80-83 |
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Can vary in shape from 10/4-9/5, some had downer action, has feel for spin and is confident in it, some were sharper than others but is still a swing-and-miss offering, over-relied on it at times. |
Changeup |
30 |
30 |
83 |
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Fringe-offering, can drop v. LHH but lacks action, more a change of pace pitch than one he would throw all the time. |
See as an up/down reliever with potential for 7th inning work.
Command- 40/45
Control- 50/55
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Lucas Giolito
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Born: 07/14/1994 (Age: 22) |
Bats: Right |
Throws: Right |
Height: 6' 6" |
Weight: 255 |
Big body; stands tall on mound; athletic build; above average arm speed; high-three-quarters slot; arm stab; long extension to plate; minimal activation of lower half; controlled, easy delivery; loses some balance out of stretch; moderate-high leg kick. |
Jeff Long |
07/11/2017 |
Charlotte Knights (AAA, White Sox) |
7/8 |
60/Moderate |
60; No. 3 Starter |
2017 |
Yes |
FA |
60 |
70 |
92-94 |
95 |
Mid-90s offering with late life; fairly straight; occasionally arm-side run at lower velocities; better command to glove-side; moved around the zone with ease; sometimes loses the ball up and to arm-side; holds velocity well; average command; Not the elite offering it once was, but uses the pitch well to set up other offerings. |
CB |
60 |
70 |
79-81 |
82 |
Hard-spinning curve; excellent depth; 11-5 shape; lots of tilt, significant horizontal movement; will throw in any count; able to bury in the dirt for strikes; occasionally slows down arm when trying to throw for a strike; throws to both LHH and RHH; flashes plus-plus; shows the potential to be an elite offering, but needs stronger consistency to rely on it more. |
SL |
50 |
60 |
85-87 |
88 |
New pitch in mix; significant tilt and depth; sweeps across the zone; can throw for strikes or whiffs; above-average velocity; flashes plus; not a wipeout pitch; new velocity profile helps fastball and curve play up. |
CH |
40 |
50 |
81-83 |
83 |
Below-average offering; moderate fade; uses to keep LHH off-balance; replicates arm speed well; command below average; could be a ML-average pitch long term. |
This new Giolito is still very, very good. He's just not a dominant stuff guy anymore, showing elite pitchability and getting outs by outsmarting hitters rather than overpowering them. He uses his two breaking balls to change the hitter's eye level, often pitching backward and starting hitters with breaking balls to get to the fastball later in the plate appearance. Sometimes became too predictable, with hitters taking big cuts on first pitch curves.
His fastball-curve-slider combination is major-league quality, with only consistency and command potentially holding him back. Whether or not his changeup will develop enough to get opposite-handed hitters out enough is an open question. There's also a question of whether or not getting his lower half more engaged might lead to more velocity, or if it would undo some of the command gains he's seen.
Giolito brings a maturity to the mound that is clearly evident as he works. He works methodically, setting hitters up with purpose pitches, to maximize the effectiveness of pitches later in the plate appearance. His margin for error is much lower than it once was, but he seems to have bridged that gap with a more cerebral approach. Right now Giolito is a likely mid-rotation starter, and at 23 years old there's reason to think he can still improve. The ceiling just isn't quite as high as it once was.
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Harold Ramirez
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Born: 09/06/1994 (Age: 22) |
Bats: Right |
Throws: Right |
Height: 5' 10" |
Weight: 220 |
Primary Position: RF |
Secondary Position: LF |
Stocky build with short legs, better athleticism than expected given frame
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Greg Goldstein |
06/22/2017 |
3x May |
New Hampshire Fisher Cats (, Blue Jays) |
2018 |
High |
40 |
30: Org bat |
No |
Doesn't show much emotion, can lack for hustle at times, though has suffered multiple leg injuries
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Ramirez was inconsistent in these viewings, flashing plus hit skills in some at-bats, but looking lost and producing weak choppers in others. His ability to create hard line drive contact is his strength, but the lack of power in his profile leaves his offensive projection on the fringy side, and I’m not confident he will consistently barrel up pitches against better arsenals because of the lack of athleticism in his stroke. It’s difficult to envision him as anything more than a potential reserve, and a lack of defensive versatility in the outfield gives him a very small window for logging consistent time on a big-league roster.
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Austin Hays
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Born: 07/05/1995 (Age: 21) |
Bats: Right |
Throws: Right |
Height: 6' 1" |
Weight: 195 |
Primary Position: CF |
Secondary Position: RF |
Muscular frame, defined body; definitely does his work off-the-field to stay in shape.
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Greg Goldstein |
06/22/2017 |
4/23/17 (2), 6/5/17 (2), 6/6/17 |
Frederick Keys (High A, Orioles) |
2018 |
Low |
55 |
50; Major League regular |
No |
Flat out competitor. Only knows one speed, which is full-go. His aggressive style of play can hurt him at times, but it's hard to root against the passion and old school mentality he has for the game.
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Hays is fun to watch because of how hard he goes all the time. While he is an easy guy to root for, Hays also has all the tools to become a starting caliber outfielder at the next level. His power to all fields as well as his ability to barrel up balls and consistently make hard contact will make him a dangerous hitter in the future, despite his aggressive plate approach. You will have to put up with a few chased balls and miscues along the way, but Hays is a complete player that will be able to hit for both average and power at the next level, while remaining versatile in the outfield.
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Daniel Johnson
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Born: 07/11/1995 (Age: 21) |
Bats: Left |
Throws: Left |
Height: 5' 10" |
Weight: 185 |
Primary Position: RF |
Secondary Position: CF |
Smaller frame, but strong and in shape; Quick-twitch athlete. |
Greg Goldstein |
06/22/2017 |
4/9/17, 6/9/17-6/11/17 |
Hagerstown Suns (Low A, Nationals) |
2020 |
Moderate |
45 |
40; Reserve outfielder |
No |
Calm player, goes about his business with out much emotion. Doesn't get too high or low.
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While his plus tools shine when a bat isn't in his hands, Johnson flashes plus raw power and should continue to be able to barrel up balls as he moves up. His ability to wait for his pitch and improve his bat control on outside offerings is what will determine if he can be a regular at the major league level. I’m not so confident that he will make enough adjustments in order to reach this point, but he’ll find a place on a big league roster given his power, speed and fielding ability.
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Sheldon Neuse
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Born: 12/10/1994 (Age: 22) |
Bats: Right |
Throws: Right |
Height: 6' 0" |
Weight: 195 |
Primary Position: 3B |
Secondary Position: SS |
Not the thinnest guy, has some thickness throughout frame, stronger and more athletic than frame would indicate
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Greg Goldstein |
06/22/2017 |
4/9/17, 6/9/17-6/11/17 |
Hagerstown Suns (Low A, Nationals) |
2019 |
Low |
50 |
50: Major League regular |
No |
Neuse is an advanced hitter for Low-A, and he shows power and a feel for hitting that gets you excited about his potential with the bat. He has above-average bat speed and power to all fields that can play at any level. He will swing too hard at times and the approach is still developing, but major-league average hitting skills are apparent. He has the arm to play third base, with sneaky athleticism allowing him to make the plays he needs to. There’s not a ton of relative risk in the profile, nor is there much gap between the ceiling and the likely outcome. He has a fairly straight path to an average regular role down the line.
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Where do future 70s come from on Giolito? How do you figure a guy whose stuff has gone backwards is going to take a few steps forward stuff-wise?
"flashes plus-plus; shows the potential to be an elite offering, but needs stronger consistency to rely on it more."
Well played. I am curious, though, why a guy with two future 70 pitches is described as "not a dominant stuff guy"...?
Future is of course indicating that there is potential for improvement here. If you look at the five other reports we have for Giolito in the system, he's receiving 70s and 80s for his fastball and curveball. So the stuff has clearly taken a step back, but we know that there's the potential for improved velocity (e.g., if he engages his lower half more).
The difference between Giolito now and Giolito in A-ball is that the future is a matter of choice/approach rather than development. So could he get back 2-3 mph to his fastball? Sure, I think he can. Can he do that and keep his current command? I don't know.