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November 19, 2013 Pebble HuntingThe Hall of Fame 50 Percent Probability Test
I was wondering whether Andrew McCutchen, after winning his first MVP award, was on a Hall of Fame track. So I went to look at what the typical Hall of Famer had at the same age, then realized with shame that the thing I’ve been doing all these years—looking at what the typical Hall of Famer had at the same age—doesn’t make any logical sense. Yes, the average Hall of Famer might have had (X) WARP through age 26, but
or any of billions of similar examples that make the point that my way wouldn’t have shown how many non-HOFers at the same level washed out. So if I can’t just look at what the median Hall of Famer had at McCutchen’s age, what can I do? Find the Wins/Age combination at which exactly 50 percent of players (or as close as possible) end up in the Hall of Fame. And then use that to name all the active players who are likely to make the Hall of Fame, times two. (Definition of terms: We’re using Baseball-Reference’s WAR for this, as WARP is limited to seasons since 1950. We’re ignoring pitchers. That’ll be a post for a different day. And to account for players who are retired and, in my opinion, likely to make the Hall of Fame but ineligible or unapproved yet, I am assigning eight future Hall of Famers into the historical count: Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Ken Griffey Jr, Chipper Jones, Mike Piazza, Frank Thomas, and Jim Thome. Of course, there’s a logical problem with this approach, too, which we’ll get to.) Age 20 Harper’s 9.0 wins are the fourth-most in history; Mike Trout almost certainly surpassed the 2.1-win threshold in a single month at least once during his age-20 season. Machado is solidly into the likely zone, but the names immediately around him are especially distinguished:
Bob Horner marks the lowest limit of probability—that is, he had exactly 2.1 wins through age 20. Age 21 Quick fact about Trout: The youngest active player with more wins than he has already: McCutchen! Five-years-older McCutchen. Willie Randolph marks the highest limit of improbability, with 4.7 wins through age 21. Age 22 Grady Sizemore is the low end of Hall of Fame probability: [all the sad face emoticons go here] Age 23 A year or so ago, I wrote briefly about Starlin Castro’s chances of making the Hall, based solely on his playing time and age. “Knowing nothing about Starlin Castro except his age and how much he has played, we can say he is in a group from which 44 percent of players have become Hall of Famers.” Castro never felt like a future Hall of Famer, but he was an actuary’s version of a future Hall of Famer. Fittingly, so far in his career he has straddled these thresholds, too. Through age 20, he was 0.7 wins short of qualifying as likely; through age 21, he was 0.4 wins short; through age 22, he was 0.3 wins ahead of pace; and now, after a lost season, he is nearly three wins short. He’s tied with Willie McCovey at the same age, but he’s also tied with Eddie Murphy—who, like the other Eddie Murphy, didn’t age well. Only 39 percent of players with 7.4 wins or more, as Castro has, made the Hall. Age 24 Andrus, unlike Castro, has kept his head above the line from age-20 on, and at age 24 he’s comfortable ahead, with 17 wins. About 62 percent of players with 17 wins made the Hall, but even though Andrus has more wins than Frank Thomas I’d bet my house against your car that he won’t make the Hall. Age 25 Age 26 Austin Jackson just, just misses making the age-26 half-probables. Buster Posey misses, too, and isn’t nearly as close. That seems like an oversight by the method. I’d probably bet on Posey over anybody named thus far except Trout, Harper, Stanton and perhaps McCutchen. Jason Kendall is the lowest end of probability. This was the year that Chipper Jones (20.0, with a career path not unlike Posey’s) edged into likelihood. Age 27 Upper end of improbability: Fred McGriff Age 28 Dale Murphy and Juan Gonzalez are the low end of probability. Age 29 For players who want to stay on pace, the biggest jumps come from ages 23 to 24, ages 24 to 25, and ages 25 to 26: about 3.6 wins per year, peaking at a 3.7-win jump for 25-year-olds. Then it settles around three wins a year for the traditional prime seasons; age 29, at 3.2 wins, is the last year before the real decline starts for the group. The next year’s Hall of Fame probables will add only 2.4 wins, and the typical Hall of Famer will be only about a league-average player through his 30s. He’ll be Raul Ibanez, basically. The upper end of improbability is Graig Nettles, followed by a bunch of fun names: Sammy Sosa, Kirby Puckett, Carlton Fisk, others. Age 30 Age 31 Age 32 Age 33 I told you there was a different problem with this method, and here’s where it’s most obvious. Pujols and Teixeira are both over 38 wins; combined, they are each 50 percent likely to make the Hall of Fame; and, in reality, only one is going to make the Hall of Fame. But Pujols and Teixeira aren’t really in a group at all; Pujols has produced well over twice as many wins as Teixeira has. He’s a 100 percent lock to make the Hall (on merits, anyway). So
In this case,
In Teixeira and Holliday’s cases, I can just about buy that. This doesn’t seem to be much of a problem when the players are young. A player’s chances don’t go up much whether he has, say, seven wins or 10 by age 21. But by now the 50 percent talk is totally misleading; there are just way too many sure things, guys who have already passed not just the on-pace mark but the guaranteed-enshrinement threshold. Which is just to note that we have named 25 players so far. About half will make the Hall of Fame. They are not, obviously, all 50 percent likely to. Age 34
Sam Miller is an author of Baseball Prospectus. Follow @SamMillerBB
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Did Elvis Andrus refuse to autograph something for you?
Learn to love Elvis!
Love him as a player, and he'll be more valuable than some HOFers by the time it's done, but I'd guess there aren't many players in the Awards era who play five full seasons without a single MVP vote or Gold Glove award who go on to make the HOF
Let me complete your sentence.
...unless they stick around long enough to collect 3,000 hits.
Andrus has almost 800 hits. He seems durable enough. If he collects 170 hits per year, he'll reach 3,000 at the age 38. It's not likely, but it is definitely more likely than you are giving him credit!
I would imagine by then that we might have got to the stage of not just chucking people into the Hall for reaching arbitrary milestones.
True, but if you can stick around and be useful enough, long enough, to reach some of those big round numbers, you've probably got something going for you.
Now, if what you've got is mind-numbing consistency, well, that's not going to get people excited over you, but it's not without merit.
Yeah, I just don't think that you'll get in for being Elvis Andrus as he is at present for long enough to get you to 3,000 hits.
Could be! I thought Damon and Renteria had chances at 3,000 hits but not at the HOF. Somebody will break the auto-elect rule at some point, dunno if that'll be Andrus on either count. I like Andrus though! For what it's worth.
Aside from the off-the-field exclusions (Rose, A-Rod if he ever plays again), is there an active candidate for the "3,000 hits but not HOF Club"?
(Assuming strong longevity... regular play through age 40/41.) Jimmy Rollins? Michael Young? Carl Crawford? Nick Markakis?
Everyone else seems either too good to avoid induction (Pujols, Cabrera, Beltre, two solid years from Ichiro, a good second act from Cano/Wright/Pedroia), or too unlikely to hang on as a starter (Beltran's health, Juan Pierre's terribleness).
Palmeiro
nevermind
Tell me more about your house and what you think my car is. I agree Andrus isn't really 50-50 to make the Hall of Fame but getting 20:1 or maybe 50:1, I think I'd take that bet.
well this is a bit embarrassing, but I live in your car