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August 15, 2001 From The MailbagThe Debate ContinuesTHE DEBATE CONTINUES
The Dowd investigation was both sloppy and biased against Rose, and it doesn't come all that close to proving what it claims to prove. Yes, someone was betting on baseball games. But it easily could have been Paul Janzsen, Rose's chief accuser making the bets for himself rather than for Rose. Perhaps John Dowd is the one who should draw your ire. If Dowd spent more time trying to gather facts and less time trying to draw conclusions to make a name for himself, the investigation could have been done right the first time. Rose's guilt or lack thereof would be more apparent and we wouldn't be subjected to bi-annual Rose interruptions.
I've read the Dowd report closely
and many of the refutations against it, and the Dowd report is neither
sloppy nor biased.
There are two versions of what happened available to us: one is the Dowd
report, which has a clear, well-supported timeline, a ton of evidence, and
a damning conclusion. The other is Rose's side, which has not yet advanced
a comprehensive alternate version and in the piecemeal denials and evasions
has contradicted and tripped itself up ("I only bet a couple thousand
on any football game"/"The checks totalling $34,000 covered a Super
Bowl bet"). The simpler answer is correct.
If the Dowd report was biased and inaccurate, if its conclusions wrong, why
did Pete sign the ban? Why not fight it, bring out the truth? The truth is
already in front of us.
Pete Rose signed the agreement, which reads, in part
If there was no factual basis to impose the ban, why did he sign it? If he
could have refuted it, why not do so?
Betting on baseball is the greatest crime against the game. A player or
manager can't have money on a game they're in and not have a direct,
incontestable interest in the outcome. A player can take drugs, or father
children outside a marriage, leaving themselves open to blackmail, but the
difference is the directness of the action. Someone who gambles knowingly
and immediately attempts to affect the outcome of the game for reasons
other than "pure sporting interest", willfully. Now, if a player goes out
actively soliciting fixes for game-throwing actions, that's the same thing
-- and falls under the same Rule 21, but section (a) instead of (d):
Such infractions are punished just as harshly as gambling is. See the Black
Sox.
The argument that Rose wasn't betting enough money to change his behavior
an absolutely insane defense. If the money wasn't enough to influence him,
why was he betting it all? Why was he betting anyway?
And arguing that there's no evidence that he threw games is absurd. What if
there was a manager who sometimes bet on his team to lose to the tune of
one million dollars, but said he was just flushing the money for tax
reasons, or something similarly stupid, and never did anything to affect the
game? Is that okay?
Action is not necessary -- the gambler has a vested interest in
changing a game's outcome from what it might naturally be, and that can't
and shouldn't be tolerated.
Baseball should absolutely not let him off the hook. Rose has behaved
cowardly in avoiding admitting his problems and the damage he has done
to the game, and absolution requires a penitent man.
--Derek Zumsteg
THE REST
--Beau T. Underwood
My best guess is Bob Stanley, with 637 games, for the pitching
record, and Herb Washington for non-pitchers
with 105 games. Stanley did get one at bat in the '86 World Series, but
none during the regular season. If you include post-season AB, then it's
probably Tippy Martinez with no at-bats in 537 regular season and
eight post-season games.
--Keith Woolner
--BW
Let's take these point-by-point.
First, can you prove that Bobby Estalella can't call a game, and that it
impacts his pitcher's performances? Anecdotal attributions don't hold much
value, so I'd like to see some evidence. Also keep in mind that
there's no
evidence to suggest that even a measure like Catcher ERA means anything from
one year to the next. Finally, you should know that it looks like you're
claiming that Estalella must somehow be so bad that he's worse than a
theoretical catcher like Edwards Guzman, which on the face of it might mean
that anybody can catch, which would reinforce my argument, not yours.
Second, past performance is a great guide to future performance. So, what's
to be taken more seriously, Benito Santiago's hot start when he didn't have
to play every day, or his subsequent fade. In 2000, Santiago hit
.262/.310/.409, pretty swell for a backup catcher. In 1999, he hit
.249/.313/.377. In 1998, he didn't play a meaningful amount due to injury.
In 1997, he hit .243/.279/.387. So in July, when Benito started hitting like
he has since 1997, I'd describe that as predictable as well as highlighting
how foolish it was to discard Estalella (who's only hitting .285/.359/.582
for Columbus), and thereby eliminating the chance that the Giants would have
an experienced big-league catcher to rely on down the stretch just in case
something bad happened to Santiago, which you rightly point out needs to be
considered a concern (although you fail to describe how that makes dumping
Estalella sensible).
Third, you describe Yorvit Torrealba as ready. Hitting at Fresno in the PCL,
a great place to hit in a great league to hit, Torrealba is hitting
.265/.298/.395. I'll settle for pointing out that he's not hitting as well
as Estalella, and gratuitously mention that it's enough to keep Edwards
Guzman feeling good about his job security.
Fourth, I notice that Livan Hernandez has exactly one good start in his last
five. That's strength? For the record, Shawn Estes hasn't been getting
hotter, Kirk Rueter has, Russ Ortiz has been pretty steady, and that adds up
to what I'd charitably call a body of information that lacks a pattern,
other than that Hernandez is still at the same level of lousiness he's been
at since coming "down" from his execrable April.
That said, I'm presuming you're a Giants fan, and here's hoping you have fun
watching the stretch run. I know I will, and how well the Giants fare is
going to among the most interesting stories.
--Chris Kahrl
I believe the decision to demote Bennett was a result of him having
options and not of the Mets being wowed by Vance Wilson's cup of coffee.
--SG
Perhaps, but this only brings up a pair of more basic questions: why would
anyone worry about Vance Wilson being claimed on waivers, and who would
waste a spot on a 40-man roster if they didn't have to? To put it another
way, if Vance Wilson was claimed on waivers, I have a sneaking suspicion
that the organization would survive. Since my focus is usually on the best
possible major-league roster, and I see plenty of reasons to prefer Bennett
to Wilson, I'm not convinced that Steve Phillips has made the right choice.
--Chris Kahrl
--Shawn Goodell
Tom Kelly seems cut from the same discarded cloth that gave us Ralph Houk
and his determination to lead off with his crummy infielders come hell, high
water, or solo homeruns. Bobby Richardson? Tony Kubek? Dan Gladden? Blech.
I can't help but watch the action in the AL Central and wonder which of the
Twins or the Tribe is going to underwhelm the opposition first. Both seem to
have a lot of talent for it, which is why I still can't quite write off the
White Sox.
--Chris Kahrl
"Mulholland doesn't have much left in the reservoir."
"This Mulholland has let in too much water over the dam."
There's a truckload of water engineering jokes to be made out of this
acquisition.
Most of which wouldn't be understood outside of Southern California,
however.
--BT
What, and step all over my old man's material, and when he's got decades of
experience to have the Don Rickles patter down? Wasn't there a terrible
movie starring Nick Nolte called Mulholland Falls? If I remember correctly,
it involved dropping Jennifer Connelly from a great height--a terribly
depressing idea--and not an awful lot of water resource management
politicking.
I guess it's all just water under the bridge... hey, thank you, I'll be here
all week.
--Chris Kahrl
BOTTOM OF THE NINTH
Most baseball teams drive their fans to drink. The Red Sox drive
theirs to a general hatred of the world; they may not be sure God
exists, but they know the devil does. But what is there about the
Royals that drives their fans to sabermetrics?
--Robert Darling
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